How did Trump do last night?

I think he somewhat helped his case but seems like it wasn't enough.

Private Equity Interview Course

  • 2,447 questions across 203 private equity funds. Crowdsourced from over 500,000 mem.
  • 9 Detailed LBO Modeling Tests and 15+ hours of video solutions.
  • Trusted by over 1,000 aspiring private equity professionals just like you.

Comments (114)

Oct 10, 2016

Let's be honest, it's up to voter turnout right now. The media is 100% in Clinton's pocket and she's playing it safe. I'm sure more will come out about Trump. Dudes a playboy who has been on Stern for years.

I wish we could have a debate or discussion about real issues, but the Romans want their bread and gladiator fights instead of real issues.

IMO, dems should let Trump win. Hillary is going to be walking into an economic and geopolitical pile of shit in the next 4 - 8 years. Everyone should remember how badly McCain got slaughtered running in Bush's shadow. Just wait til we have 12-16 years of Democrats in power and a economic downturn.

Oct 10, 2016

Agree 100%. I think Trump gets blasted while everything about Hillary is swept under the rug (including last night). It seems like the election is pretty much over unless Trump throws a big curveball at her that actually gets adequate coverage from the press.

Oct 10, 2016
BillBelichick37:

Agree 100%. I think Trump gets blasted while everything about Hillary is swept under the rug (including last night). It seems like the election is pretty much over unless Trump throws a big curveball at her that actually gets adequate coverage from the press.

It's sad. Like I can't even read Bloomberg or CNBC articles without bias.

I'd pay money for straight fact based news. No WSJ shit, no NYT, like actual data, research and conclusions. Al Jazeera is the best I have found so far. I don't agree with everything, but at least it's more fair and actual news.

I fucking hate fox news for their obvious conservative bias. Wish the feelings were shared by the other side and their puppet news sources.

Oct 11, 2016
BillBelichick37:

Agree 100%. I think Trump gets blasted while everything about Hillary is swept under the rug (including last night). It seems like the election is pretty much over unless ASSANGE throws a big curveball at her that actually gets adequate coverage from the press.

Fixed that for you, mate.

Oct 10, 2016

Won't get enough press. Hillary is the Suge Knight of politics.

Learn More

Side-by-side comparison of top modeling training courses + exclusive discount through WSO here.

Oct 10, 2016

Oh, glad to know Buffet is releasing tax data as a way to hammer Trump. If we didn't know the "value" investor was nothing more than a big government crony, we do know.

Keep on keeping on, faux simple man Buffet.

Oct 10, 2016

Funny story about Buffett:

So it's well known that Warren Buffett eats a PBJ and a Coke everyday for lunch. I watched a special on Bloomberg TV about 3-4 years ago where they brought him into the studio for a segment and at the end had a blind taste test set up for him. It consisted of like 4 sodas unmarked including Coke, Diet Coke, Cherry Coke and Dr. Pepper, something along those lines.

I'm thinking, oh man he'll know the Coke heavy instantly, he's practically on a Coke drip at work everyday. This clown motherfucker stands there tastes them all and has absolutely no clue what anything is and actually says the Dr. Pepper is the Coke (probably the least similar of the group).

That is the moment I realized this old fuck is really on cruise control and just going through the motions everyday. Just shoveling a 6 year old's food choices into his mouth 24/7 and not even tasting it. Sad.

    • 8
Oct 10, 2016

He's beyond boring.

Oct 16, 2016
adapt or die:

Funny story about Buffett:

That is the moment I realized this old fuck is really on cruise control and just going through the motions everyday. Just shoveling a 6 year old's food choices into his mouth 24/7 and not even tasting it. Sad.

You just ripped Buffet a new one. +1

Oct 10, 2016

I am so done with this "the mainstream media" bullshit, any reporter/ journalist that had factual info that would be damning to HRC would publish it no questions, plain and simple. They are after profits and Pulitzers. They want a story and Trump constantly provides them with stories, plain and simple. Keep blaming the media for the failure of a campaign that is Trump 2016 though, it's easier than recognizing the dude is a clown that just can't help but give the media negative stuff to report on over and over again. Like the stuff with his taxes, if he'd released them long ago the story would be done, regardless of whether he paid nothing or not, but he keeps giving the story legs. Same goes with his "I didn't support the Iraq war" nonsense. Instead of simply saying "based on the information I had I supported it but my opponent was privy to confidential information that would've changed my point of view had I had that information" he continues to claim he didn't support it like people are too stupid to use Google.

    • 5
    • 2
Oct 10, 2016

What difference does it really make about his tax returns? I mean let's not act like HRC isn't one of the most money hungry politicians to ever live. They're both ripoff artists either way you look at it.

Oct 10, 2016

That's my point, it wouldn't have made much of a difference till he rejected years of political tradition and gave that bullshit line about IRS audits. He has personally made his tax returns a way bigger story than they ever should've been. He has done this with numerous stories because he is an awful political strategist.

Oct 10, 2016
BobTheBaker:

That's my point, it wouldn't have made much of a difference till he rejected years of political tradition and gave that bullshit line about IRS audits. He has personally made his tax returns a way bigger story than they ever should've been. He has done this with numerous stories because he is an awful political strategist.

Romney released late so theregoes political tradition. Trumps taxes are a non issue and nothing he did would have appeased the press who was dying to jump on anything he reported.

So now some taxes have been illegally leaked, how about those wall street speeches that Hillary didn't have, oh wait, they are in the wiki leaks.

Hmmm, tax returns for a rich business man or private speechs to wall street that HRC refuses to release. Wonder which is more important from a policy perspective.

Wonder which has received more coverage in the press?

No bias whatsoever. Lol

Oct 10, 2016

Romney released them, period. You know damn well that if "grab em' by the pussy" didn't come out her leaked private speeches would've led the news this entire week... she just had the good fortune of being the less sensational of two stories.

    • 1
    • 1
Oct 10, 2016
BobTheBaker:

Romney released them, period. You know damn well that if "grab em' by the pussy" didn't come out her leaked private speeches would've led the news this entire week... she just had the good fortune of being the less sensational of two stories.

It's not "good fortune". Hillary's campaign conspires with the media to have these stories queued up. Look at the timing.

Like Alicia Machado. All the media outlets had their stores queued up waiting for the signal from Hillary campaign.

    • 2
Oct 10, 2016
LongandShortofit:

All the media outlets had their stores queued up waiting for the signal from Hillary campaign.

I can't do conspiracy theories bro, if that's what you want to run with that's your prerogative though.

    • 2
    • 1
Oct 10, 2016
BobTheBaker:

Romney released them, period. You know damn well that if "grab em' by the pussy" didn't come out her leaked private speeches would've led the news this entire week... she just had the good fortune of being the less sensational of two stories.

You're pretty naive if you think it's all accident this video is leaked right when Wiki leaks drops and right before the debate.

Kind of like I'm sure it's a coincidence trump did a press conference with all of bills victims right after the tape came out.

Oct 10, 2016

I think Trump is pretty squarely out of the race unless Hillary's Parkinson's kicks back into gear. So far she seems to have the meds under control, and she is careful about making no public appearances for 3-4 day spans in order to rest up. It's very unusual for a leading Presidential candidate not to make at least daily appearances on the campaign trail with less than one month until the election, but I think that speaks to the severity of her neuro-degenerative disease. But let's face it, Trump is going to need what 40-45% of women to win and I just don't see him getting anywhere close to that given the media will continue to pump the mysogynist / rapey / racist image.

I'm just really worried about what happens when her Parkinson's gets worse. Like who the fuck is Tim Kaine? I'm 80% sure this dude is ex-CIA. Missionary... yeah my ass, I've never once heard the guy mention his faith or God...

    • 1
Oct 10, 2016

As I said earlier, I think it's over unless something extremely damning comes out about HRC that gets press. I don't really think she's going to win 2 terms given her health and flip-flop opinions on the key issues.

Oct 11, 2016
jankynoname:

I think Trump is pretty squarely out of the race unless Hillary's Parkinson's kicks back into gear. So far she seems to have the meds under control, and she is careful about making no public appearances for 3-4 day spans in order to rest up. It's very unusual for a leading Presidential candidate not to make at least daily appearances on the campaign trail with less than one month until the election, but I think that speaks to the severity of her neuro-degenerative disease. But let's face it, Trump is going to need what 40-45% of women to win and I just don't see him getting anywhere close to that given the media will continue to pump the mysogynist / rapey / racist image.

I'm just really worried about what happens when her Parkinson's gets worse. Like who the fuck is Tim Kaine? I'm 80% sure this dude is ex-CIA. Missionary... yeah my ass, I've never once heard the guy mention his faith or God...

The same reason this is being hidden is the same reason the media is trying to make it seem like Hilary is "way ahead in the polls"

It's all BS and a huge joke. It's so obvious everybody is against Trump. He's different than the rest, not a puppet and didn't take $24 million the past 2 years to give speeches worth their weight in bags of empty hammers...

There's no way on this planet anything Hilary says is worth 250K a pop...

Think about why all these corporations gave her that money, it wasn't for her speeches...

Politics is such a joke and so rigged it's not even funny.

How did Hilary get away with deleting over 30,000 classified emails when an investigation was launched?

It's a serious joke and I hope Hilary loses just because it's not what most politicians and the media wants.

Trump FTW....

    • 6
    • 2
Oct 13, 2016

Wait you're saying that everyone is just biased against Trump so it means that he is still in this thing because he's genuinely got something to offer..

But you're biased against Hillary. "There's no way on this planet anything Hilary says is worth 250K a pop" - why not? She's a former first lady/half of the president in the term of Bill Clinton, during the 90s when the world didn't look like a shit storm, and she is a former Secretary of State. Why wouldn't she charge up to the nose for all of these bankers that were dying to have her come speak?

And, do you really think she has 30,000 negative emails that would hurt her? There's probably one to a few being buried with the other 30,000 so she can always leave people like you confused about what could be in that bunch.

At the end of the day, I would of been for Trump if he wasn't so downright dumb as a person. The argument for him being smart is that "you don't get to make $1B by being dumb"... but he's also lost $1B too, in a single year. There's nothing about Trump that I like at this point, and I'm not going to keep believing the kid that says he's the shit.. just because he thinks he's the shit.

Oct 10, 2016

You are clueless. The news is about making money, not informing people. Fox is biased and so are all the rest.

When you have CNN blasting front page on their site a 10-15 year old misquote from Howard Stern, with no mention of Wiki leaks email release, there is bias.

Forget trump, it would be the same with Cruz, Jeb, Rubio, etc. There is clear bias.

It's shocking how you don't see this. It isn't even political.

Oct 10, 2016

I agree the new is about making money, guess what? A Clinton scandal would get many views/ clicks/ reads and would make a ton of money. A misquote? how so.

Oct 10, 2016

Clinton scandals don't get many views. Bill's rape accusers? Nope. Hillary's emails? Nope. Benghazi? Nope. etc. etc. People only have a short-term memory when it comes to politics, they don't give one shit about old stuff unless the media blasts it and tells them that it is important.

Oct 11, 2016

Really? Benghazi was all over the news for years. Probably not in recent times because after 10 separate congressional committee investigations and millions of dollars of spending the republicans haven't been able to find anything to really blame hillary for. The emails were also all over the news, as were these scandals in the 90s. The reason that Trump is getting blasted on the news right now is because they have actual dirt on him like direct quotes.

    • 1
Oct 10, 2016

Trump didn't release his taxes because it was to be used against him. Same thing with Romney.

And no, Hillary scandals aren't the same. The press coddled this admin the same as they do with Hillary. It's blatant on what the ask, report, don't report, etc.

Oct 10, 2016

I don't really see what difference it makes if he actually releases them. Media will say he's a tax-evading bigot or a bourgeoisie asshole if his taxes are normal given his income. They see Clinton scandals as just not as sensationalizing as trump. It's ridiculous.

Oct 10, 2016
BillBelichick37:

I don't really see what difference it makes if he actually releases them. Media will say he's a tax-evading bigot or a bourgeoisie asshole if his taxes are normal given his income. They see Clinton scandals as just not as sensationalizing as trump. It's ridiculous.

Agree. I've posted before that a majority of trumps populist stances were echoed by Kerry and other Democrats before. When trump does it, they run negative stories 24/7.

Its a joke. Oh well, we will see what the polls say. Either way, whoever gets elected is in for a mess.

Oct 10, 2016

the polls have Clinton up by 6 pts on average (before "grab em by the pussy") and 538 has Trump at an 18% chance of winning after being all the way up at 45% before the 1st debate and 51% after the GOP convention. Also, you're not making sense; most of the negative stories on Trump have nothing to do with actual policy and everything to do with what he says/ does.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/presi...

Oct 10, 2016

People don't give one single shit about policy. Ask most of these HRC dick-riders and they have no clue about the estate tax.

    • 1
Oct 10, 2016
BillBelichick37:

People don't give one single shit about policy.

Agreed, this is why a clown like Trump got this far despite having no idea wtf he's talking about half the time.

    • 3
Oct 11, 2016
BobTheBaker:

the polls have Clinton up by 6 pts on average (before "grab em by the pussy") and 538 has Trump at an 18% chance of winning after being all the way up at 45% before the 1st debate and 51% after the GOP convention. Also, you're not making sense; most of the negative stories on Trump have nothing to do with actual policy and everything to do with what he says/ does.http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/presi...

you are blind.....

    • 4
Oct 10, 2016

Yea bro. You got me. The system is rigged. The polls are a lie. The election is rigged (unless of course Trump wins). Trump has TREMENDOUS support. He'll be president. In fact, fuck it, let's amend the constitution so we can crown him king......

    • 2
    • 1
Learn More

Side-by-side comparison of top modeling training courses + exclusive discount through WSO here.

Oct 10, 2016

Clown like trump, as if hillary isn't promising the moon to get votes. As if Obama had or has a clue about basic economics. As if Bush didn't was a trillion on a shit war.

They're all morons.

Oct 10, 2016

To answer the question of the thread I think Trump won the debate but didn't have the knockout punch he needed.

Oct 10, 2016

In 3 months time, Trump will be crowing about how no one is more feminist than him because he got the US to elect its first female president.

    • 4
Oct 10, 2016

LMAO. "If it weren't for me Obama would not have released his birth certificate."

    • 1
Oct 10, 2016

Haha pretty sure he's already said that. Both candidates are complete jokes - as a republican, I have no problems saying the party has gone to shit. And crooked Hillary is well, awful.

Oct 10, 2016

Yep. He's been saying it for like 3 years and it never gets old haha.

Oct 10, 2016

I reacted to the "you'd be in jail" line like I just saw a 60yd bomb cap off a 4th quarter comeback. Fucking hilarious.

Oct 10, 2016

That was the highlight of the debate in my opinion. I wish these debates were like 3 hours of just jabs at each other.

Oct 10, 2016

yet you complain about people not caring about policy, smh.

    • 1
    • 1
Oct 10, 2016

Obviously the policy is easily known just by searching google but these debates are entertainment for me. Not really worth listening to them spin the truth about policy. I don't think Trump has any chance now unless something extremely controversial comes out about Hillary so I'm just going to enjoy the debates.

Oct 11, 2016

Surprised no one has brought this up yet but I found it hilarious (literally cracked up) when Trump mentioned that if he's elected president, he will hire a special "agent/attorney" to thoroughly investigate Hillary on her email issue. I seriously laughed out loud.

    • 1
Oct 11, 2016
seville:

Surprised no one has brought this up yet but I found it hilarious (literally cracked up) when Trump mentioned that if he's elected president, he will hire a special "agent/attorney" to thoroughly investigate Hillary on her email issue. I seriously laughed out loud.

That was one of the most disturbing things I've ever heard a Presidential candidate say. It sounds very much like something a dictator of a Third World country would say. Seriously fucking scary.

    • 7
    • 7
Oct 11, 2016

Exactly. Very much a threat, it was hilarious.

Oct 10, 2016

The Donald knows best.

    • 1
Oct 10, 2016

Hillary is def taking a high variance line. 80% of the time she's POTUS, 20% she's in jail.

    • 1
Oct 10, 2016

From the penitentiary to the oval office.

Oct 11, 2016
DickFuld:

seville:Surprised no one has brought this up yet but I found it hilarious (literally cracked up) when Trump mentioned that if he's elected president, he will hire a special "agent/attorney" to thoroughly investigate Hillary on her email issue. I seriously laughed out loud.

That was one of the most disturbing things I've ever heard a Presidential candidate say. It sounds very much like something a dictator of a Third World country would say. Seriously fucking scary.

Gotta love you having 4 monkey shit for being a rational human being.

    • 6
Oct 10, 2016
DickFuld:

something a dictator of a Third World country would say. Seriously fucking scary

You going to cry bro?

    • 4
    • 4
Oct 11, 2016
adapt or die:

DickFuld:something a dictator of a Third World country would say. Seriously fucking scary

You going to cry bro?

Definitely should be shedding a tear for 'Murica given the state we're in. I have a real hard time understanding why anyone would vote for Trump. As unappealing as Hillary is, at least she's informed. I am actually going to vote this time, but not for either of those two.

    • 5
    • 1
Oct 10, 2016

It's pretty comical that CNN isn't even covering the new emails released today. Our major media is on par with China.

    • 2
    • 2
Oct 10, 2016

didn't hear about this, is there anything sensational in there?

Oct 10, 2016
BobTheBaker:

didn't hear about this,

^^my point exactly

    • 1
Oct 10, 2016

so nothing sensational to report then? cool.

Oct 10, 2016
BobTheBaker:

so nothing sensational to report then? cool.

How about you make an effort to be informed. I mean shit. The emails show the Clinton Camp coordinating with the press, exchanging emails with the DOJ, tall about political angles during the Bernie campaign, Hillary having a disdain for normal Americans, etc.

The fact that this "it was Russia" meme shows how rattled they are. Gotta love cold war boogeyman coming back every couple of years.

I seem to remember Obama mocking Romney during last election for saying Russia was our enemy and saying "the cold war has been over for 20 years". Guess hillary didn't get that email.

Oct 10, 2016

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/10/11/7-bigge...
here, I put a website with "conservative bias". Please show me on here what is damning or sensational. I read that DOJ email, it said nothing, keep parroting headlines though.

Oct 10, 2016

Is you're only source of any opinion a news article written at a 6th grade reading level, creating solely to grab attention for ads?

Go to Wiki leaks site, go to the emails, do a search, read up.

End of the day you are a hillary supporter and happy to excuse anything short of witnessing her commit a crime in front of you.

Oct 10, 2016

dude idgaf about Hillary Clinton. Trust me. I do give a fuck about this implication that there is a massive conspiracy/ criminal organization run by a former president and his wife. I do give a fuck that people seem to honestly think Donald Trump is fit to be president based on absolutely nothing. I read the emails bro, in fact, I stated that I read the emails right above you. You can read it again if you want. I can't do this anymore, it is exhausting. Fact of the matter is I have yet to see any definitive proof of any corruption by HRC and her family. I won't address how you went from claiming the foundation wasn't a charity, to it is barely a charity, to they pay 12% of their budget to salary & admin expenses. Btw, simply claiming something is bullshit doesn't make it so (like you did with their travel expenses), nor does it make it proof. I think I need to stop commenting on politics completely till this election is over. You like to act like you're somehow doing your due diligence but you're simply spinning anything you can in order to arrive at your conclusion, like so many of these pundits you claim you hate.

    • 1
Oct 10, 2016
BobTheBaker:

dude idgaf about Hillary Clinton. Trust me. I do give a fuck about this implication that there is a massive conspiracy/ criminal organization run by a former president and his wife. I do give a fuck that people seem to honestly think Donald Trump is fit to be president based on absolutely nothing. I read the emails bro, in fact, I stated that I read the emails right above you. You can read it again if you want. I can't do this anymore, it is exhausting. Fact of the matter is I have yet to see any definitive proof of any corruption by HRC and her family. I won't address how you went from claiming the foundation wasn't a charity, till it is barely a charity, till they pay 12% of their budget to salary. Btw, simply claiming something is bullshit doesn't make it so (like you did with their travel expenses), nor does it make it proof. I think I need to stop commenting on politics completely till this election is over. You like to act like you're somehow doing your due diligence but you're simply spinning anything you can in order to arrive at your conclusion, like so many of these pundits you claim you hate.

No, I'm forming an opinion by not just reading a new story.

I'm giving up in these posts. I hate the media bias, but arguing is always a waste of time. Hopefully whoever wins will improve the economy and avoid the shit show we are heading into.

Oct 10, 2016

Sorry, I'll pm you my password for Google

Oct 11, 2016

To me, it was clear Donald smoked Hilary in that debate, was happy to see him bring everything up, attack her and even acknowledge it's 3 against one and all the media is against him...

    • 2
    • 1
Oct 10, 2016

polls show Clinton people think Clinton won that debate (I have no idea either way as I was watching Sunday Night Football)

p.s. Outlets like Fox News and Breitbart are certainly not against him...

    • 2
    • 1
Oct 11, 2016

Trump supporters think Trump won and Clinton supporters think Clinton won. In the end, it's all about how the undecided voter FEELS about the debate since that's mostly what they're going to remember 30 days from now.
Clinton behaved more like a president than Trump did.

    • 1
    • 1
Oct 10, 2016

I am not talking about "think" or "feels" here... this is hard polling data

Oct 11, 2016

Okay? I was commenting on what will matter come election day.

    • 1
Oct 10, 2016

It'll matter quite a bit come election day that he is doing worse than Romney among almost every single demographic except non-college educated white males.

    • 1
Oct 12, 2016

Yup...especially since after Romney lost in 2012, Republicans basically admitted losing because they failed to appeal to anyone who isn't white.

    • 1
Oct 17, 2016
Dacawin:

Trump supporters think Trump won and Clinton supporters think Clinton won. In the end, it's all about how the undecided voter FEELS about the debate since that's mostly what they're going to remember 30 days from now.Clinton behaved more like a president than Trump did.

the logic being used by the trump campaign is mindboggling

Trump's extra marital affairs, history of misogyny dont matter because the people want him based on issues. But Bill Clinton's matter for Hillary?

What trump did in that debate was a conservative fantasy for 25 years come true with juanita broadrick and the other accusers in audience and trump hammering her and threateneting to put her in jail

But did it win him any new voters? Prolly not

The base is going to stick with trump no matter what. So whats the point of such extreme pandering to them at this point in the race? They will stil lcast only one vote

Oct 11, 2016

He smoked her by rambling like an idiot, avoiding questions, and having no actual information about anything he'd do as President? By no means am I pro-Hilary but how people are acting as if Donald Trump isn't extremely unfit to be President is scary.

    • 6
    • 1
Best Response
Oct 11, 2016

His demeanor and overall body language looked like an abuser, if that's the right term, that brings up the thoughts of abusive men at least that's the opinion of Mrs. ArcherVice and her circle of friends. Not to be confused with having a confident or even dominant personality, we're talking about someone looking to abuse their power on whomever they can, especially those he considers 'weaker' than himself.

In terms of everything else, once again, confirmation bias is running wild with his ardent supporters. You really are a bunch of morons, he hasn't actually offered any cognizant plan of substance that isn't outright ridiculous. You don't need to be a Democrat or 'responsible' (whatever that's supposed to mean) conservative to see that and think for yourself. I challenge anyone under a contrary belief to take any serious question regarding policy or issues facing the presidency and read his response out loud. If you can stumble through that without feeling like you're debasing yourself just by being open to his idiocy, my hat is off to you, so to speak.

Oct 12, 2016

Good to finally see some sanity in this thread.

    • 1
    • 2
Oct 12, 2016
ArcherVice:

His demeanor and overall body language looked like an abuser, if that's the right term, that brings up the thoughts of abusive men at least that's the opinion of Mrs. ArcherVice and her circle of friends. Not to be confused with having a confident or even dominant personality, we're talking about someone looking to abuse their power on whomever they can, especially those he considers 'weaker' than himself.

In terms of everything else, once again, confirmation bias is running wild with his ardent supporters. You really are a bunch of morons, he hasn't actually offered any cognizant plan of substance that isn't outright ridiculous. You don't need to be a Democrat or 'responsible' (whatever that's supposed to mean) conservative to see that and think for yourself. I challenge anyone under a contrary belief to take any serious question regarding policy or issues facing the presidency and read his response out loud. If you can stumble through that without feeling like you're debasing yourself just by being open to his idiocy, my hat is off to you, so to speak.

"You really are a bunch of morons" - glad to see the "if you disagree with me you are dumb" argument didn't end after third grade.

Oct 12, 2016
ArcherVice:

You really are a bunch of morons, he hasn't actually offered any cognizant plan of substance that isn't outright ridiculous.

Moron checking in. The fact this got even a single up-vote shows how shook the far left is. You start off by verifying that Trump is in fact a rapist because of your wife's friends analysis of his body language. Very important, thanks. Then you call Trump supporters a "bunch of morons" because he hasn't offered a cognizant plan. Lololol. Hillary is the same woman that is on record as saying it's necessary to have separate private and public opinions. You can learn more about her actual policy plans by looking at a hacker's data dump than you would by watching her speak. Meanwhile, while I'd agree Trump may leave some to be desired in terms of specific solutions, what is resoundingly clear is what he views as our problems and a 10 second search will show you he's held those same views for the better part of the last three decades.

It's worth remembering that everything that's going on right now was predicted from decades out. This includes everything from Brexit/ Trump, to the rise of movements like BLM, to the integration of things like ISDS into our trade agreements. This is the late stages of development of an industrialized, globalized, consumer based economy. Middle classes disappear as labor shifts around to their cheapest source. At some point only the upper tier of each country's society is able to trade with one another as their "labor" doesn't even make enough to utilize their own products and services. Then the people wake up to this economic disenfranchisement and decide to do something about it. At that point, democracy and globalization are no longer compatible so you set up super-national bodies capable of skirting all that democratic riff raff. And here we are, right on cue. Tbh I couldn't care less who wins, but I will say I find it amusing Hillary has an actual chance. Speaks volumes to the benefits of controlling the press. The unfortunate problem is that even if she does win, Trump's rhetoric will just be carried on by someone else in 4 years. It's as much of an economic certainty as the fact that "Trump" was going to happen was. Anyway, sorry for the irrelevant tangent. Back to the important things like our candidate's sex drives and tax returns.

    • 8
    • 1
Oct 10, 2016

never mind, I said I was done so I'll shut up.

Oct 11, 2016

You just responded to my post with a soundbite--you aren't even aware of the contents, just the emotional truth you've assigned it--to back up your negative partisanship.

Your entire response proves my point better than I ever could. Despite Trump's alleged marital rape and bragging about sexual assault, did I ever imply he was a rapist? No, I said he invoked the image of abusive men and abusive relationships in the eyes of women (anecdotally). So your blanket: "oh so NOW he's a rapist!?!?!" is childish and is a fabricated outlandish statement to undermine or distract from my contention, well done (?).

I'm not even going to bother with the incoherent rant at the end of your post, but it effectively proves my point that ardent Trump supporters use feelings of resentment, racial or otherwise, to justify their positions. As in, you're letting those emotions dictate your truths rather than doing the menial task of thinking for yourself.

Oct 10, 2016
ArcherVice:

You just responded to my post with a soundbite--you aren't even aware of the contents, just the emotional truth you've assigned it--to back up your negative partisanship.

Your entire response proves my point better than I ever could. Despite Trump's alleged marital rape and bragging about sexual assault, did I ever imply he was a rapist? No, I said he invoked the image of abusive men and abusive relationships in the eyes of women (anecdotally). So your blanket: "oh so NOW he's a rapist!?!?!" is childish and is a fabricated outlandish statement to undermine or distract from my contention, well done (?).

I'm not even going to bother with the incoherent rant at the end of your post, but it effectively proves my point that ardent Trump supporters use feelings of resentment, racial or otherwise, to justify their positions. As in, you're letting those emotions dictate your truths rather than doing the menial task of thinking for yourself.

I don't know if insulting people who support a main party candidate is the best course of action.

1) build the wall. Not too hard to see how people support having actual borders, not allowing illegal immigrantion and enforcing laws that are currently on the book.

2) Chyna - unlike the fake boogieman that is Russia, China repeatedly hacks us, violates IP, has trade practices that are pro China and not fair to all, is antagonistic with their man made islands, etc.

While I think globalism is the future, tons of people are left behind and hurt from this. Yes you can simply ignore them, but that's not a democratic reality. And while dems love shitting on their out of touch, angry white men, Democrats have their own out of touch voters they love to coddle.

3) ISIS - you don't have to be a moron to think that Hillary has failed at foreign policy. Libya and this administrations Syrian policy is a disaster. For an administration awarded the Nobel Peace price, the world hasn't gotten anymore peaceful.

Hillary might articulate a plan better than trump, but we all knows it's bullshit. Blaming trump for being vague is bullshit. Blame Americans. Vague hope and change got someone elected for 8 years, but I guess those voters aren't morons because they bought into a lie sold by the dems.

An idiot is someone who believes anything coming out of either candidates mouth. An idiot is also someone who faults a candidate for simply playing the game.

Oh, trumps a bully? Hillary is far worse. She's the snake that comes off slick and bites you when you least expect it. At least with Trump I you know what you get.

Oct 11, 2016

Ahhhh "The Wall." You mean the wall estimated to cost $25 billion, with maintenance costs exceeding that number in the first 7 years, that will ultimately do very little or nothing to prevent illegal immigration or illicit trafficking?

Outright ridiculous, and not just for the logistical stupidity, it's merely a symbol of fear.

China. Tell me, why did a faction of the GOP vote against a trade deal with the AESEAN bloc which would have boosted our strength and influence within the region? I'm guessing you weren't even aware. But do tell me what his policy is. What is it??? The armament of Japan and Korea with nukes? Or the assertion that Korea doesn't help pay for their tab? Or abandoning our allies? Which policy has he promoted isn't outright ridiculous?

In short, he's ridiculous, but you'll overlook that because you're 'angry' at Democrats, despite Republicans having undermined our influence in the region.

Lastly, ISIS. The Donald was also for Libya and Iraq, so I'm not sure where the moral high ground exists in saying there are failed policies BUT I do recall his plan for ISIS. He would order the slaughter of ISIS families, unarmed civilians, a war crime, a war crime that would do nothing but boost their recruitment. When questioned on his failed policy he stated he'd force our generals to or else... Sounds like a dictator, but he also doesn't understand how Flag officer assignments work either.

So... beyond ridiculous, but you again are just really really petulant about Democrats so you'll ignore insanity.

Case and point, moron.

Oct 10, 2016
ArcherVice:

Ahhhh "The Wall." You mean the wall estimated to cost $25 billion, with maintenance costs exceeding that number in the first 7 years, that will ultimately do very little or nothing to prevent illegal immigration or illicit trafficking?

Outright ridiculous, and not just for the logistical stupidity, it's merely a symbol of fear.

China. Tell me, why did a faction of the GOP vote against a trade deal with the AESEAN bloc which would have boosted our strength and influence within the region? I'm guessing you weren't even aware. But do tell me what his policy is. What is it??? The armament of Japan and Korea with nukes? Or the assertion that Korea doesn't help pay for their tab? Or abandoning our allies? Which policy has he promoted isn't outright ridiculous?

In short, he's ridiculous, but you'll overlook that because you're 'angry' at Democrats, despite Republicans having undermined our influence in the region.

Lastly, ISIS. The Donald was also for Libya and Iraq, so I'm not sure where the moral high ground exists in saying there are failed policies BUT I do recall his plan for ISIS. He would order the slaughter of ISIS families, unarmed civilians, a war crime, a war crime that would do nothing but boost their recruitment. When questioned on his failed policy he stated he'd force our generals to or else... Sounds like a dictator, but he also doesn't understand how Flag officer assignments work either.

So... beyond ridiculous, but you again are just really really petulant about Democrats so you'll ignore insanity.

Case and point, moron.

Blah blah blah.

Nice work with the name calling. Sign of a strong argument.

Half of trumps stances have been held by previous Democrats running for president, but it's only moronic when trump says it. We already have a wall covering large portions of the border.

Trump supporters are angry at the establishment, not just Democrats.

I disagree that trump supported Iraq and Libya, but even if he did, it was Hillary and Obamas policy, not just support that got it where it is. Same with Syria.

Oh so trumps policy on isis is a war crime, yet our current policy isn't? Last time I checked we have an endless drone war going on and anytime a kid is killed we just label them a military aged male.

Keep on keeping on genius.calling someone a moron doesn't change the fact that your inconsistent and intellectually dishonest.

Oct 11, 2016

Know what I noticed? Not a single Trump supporter, yourself included, has been able to rebut the idea he doesn't have any cognizant plans or understanding of issues facing the presidency. Your recent attempt to offer up his only actual ideas, which we've established are ridiculous, were repudiated point by point. In fact, you could easily draw the conclusion that Democrats have tackled the issues you say you care about more than your own GOP. Instead of addressing that fact you've pivoted into another partisan diatribe. Diatribes and emotional truths aren't facts and they aren't policy positions--they are incoherent ramblings of a moron who shouldn't be taken seriously. Like Trump and many of his ardent supporters.

Come back to me with a solid policy recommendation that the Democrats haven't tried or that you think would solve the problem and then show me where Donald Trump has put forth the same recommendation or view, he hasn't.

Let's call it like it is, you're voting based on emotional truths and partisan bias, nothing more. It's your right, but it's also inherently moronic.

Oct 10, 2016
ArcherVice:

Know what I noticed? Not a single Trump supporter, yourself included, has been able to rebut the idea he doesn't have any cognizant plans or understanding of issues facing the presidency. Your recent attempt to offer up his only actual ideas, which we've established are ridiculous, were repudiated point by point. In fact, you could easily draw the conclusion that Democrats have tackled the issues you say you care about more than your own GOP. Instead of addressing that fact you've pivoted into another partisan diatribe. Diatribes and emotional truths aren't facts and they aren't policy positions--they are incoherent ramblings of a moron who shouldn't be taken seriously. Like Trump and many of his ardent supporters.

Come back to me with a solid policy recommendation that the Democrats haven't tried or that you think would solve the problem and then show me where Donald Trump has put forth the same recommendation or view, he hasn't.

Let's call it like it is, you're voting based on emotional truths and partisan bias, nothing more. It's your right, but it's also inherently moronic.

1) I'm obtaining from voting this year.

2) Hillary is a distasteful criminal.

3) right on trumps site are all of his policies. Tax plan, foreign policy, immigration, etc.

4) his protectionist policies are almost verbatim what Kerry said when he ran for presidency. Increased border security is standard Republican. His tax plan is standard Republican. His pro labor policies are standard Democrat.

You live in your own world man. Everyone gets it. You think trump and anyone who supports him is a moron. I could say the same thing about Hillary supporters, but I'm not going to because it's pointless and childish.

Plenty of people, including a shit ton of blue collar, Democrat union people love what trumps saying. Trumps appealing to populism which is an intersection of both parties.

Oh and let's call it like it is. Anyone who disagrees with you and isn't voting for Hillary is a moron. Which is moronic. But everyone else is the moron. Got it.

Oct 11, 2016

Ahhh yes his Tax plan, "The Greatest" tax plan to ever be suggested, the tax plan that is estimated to decrease federal tax revenue by $7 trillion over the next 10 years, that tax plan? Is that the one you're referring to, Trump's tax plan? What about that plan isn't ridiculous? Let me guess, you heard a soundbite about the carried interest loophole (something already proposed by Democrats) and assumed it was great, but you probably didn't read about the loophole his policy would create or the serious shortfalls in what those cuts would actually pan out to be.

Once again. Offer me an actual policy that isn't off-the-fucking-rails moronic. You can't. But you did again get on another partisan screed about Hilary, Kerry and your presumption of my political views. Trump supporters are morons and I have no patience to pretend otherwise.

Oct 11, 2016

If you haven't figured it out, I'm going to keep repudiating each and every bullshit policy or rationale you bring up until such time it's readily apparent, it already is, that your support is nothing more than blind partisan bias.

All of this by the way, has been an argument devoid of his temperament, racism, sexism, xenophobia, his bragging about sexual assault while his wife was pregnant with their child at home, suggesting the President was involved in a terrorist plot, the birther movement, his stupidity and callousness with a gold start family, his call for boycotting Apple in support of wanting a backdoor into their products, calling for a special prosecutor to go after political rivals, banning members of the press from his events, libel suits after any media outlet that doesn't support him etc.

Oct 10, 2016
ArcherVice:

If you haven't figured it out, I'm going to keep repudiating each and every bullshit policy or rationale you bring up until such time it's readily apparent, it already is, that your support is nothing more than blind partisan bias.

All of this by the way, has been an argument devoid of his temperament, racism, sexism, xenophobia, his bragging about sexual assault while his wife was pregnant with their child at home, suggesting the President was involved in a terrorist plot, the birther movement, his stupidity and callousness with a gold start family, his call for boycotting Apple in support of wanting a backdoor into their products, calling for a special prosecutor to go after political rivals, banning members of the press from his events, libel suits after any media outlet that doesn't support him etc.

Cool. You ask how someone could support him, I give you examples. You ask for policy, I give you example. You continue with this moron meme.

I conceed. You win the Internet today.

Oct 19, 2016
TNA:

3) right on trumps site are all of his policies. Tax plan, foreign policy, immigration, etc.

The Great Gropesby has a website? I thought he just stuck with Twitter

    • 1
Oct 12, 2016

All is not lost: we still have two more nominees in addition to Hilary and Trump. What we need to focus on is the issues that are most pressing to our country, to the world and to OUR FUTURE. We need to do more than just spend out energy throw shit at each other defending and supporting candidates.

How is my grammar? Drop me a note with any errors you see!

Oct 10, 2016

Classic thread: You're now a moron if you don't vote for a liberal. You should send your resume to MSNBC.

    • 2
    • 4
Oct 10, 2016

I suspect Hillary will win as the default candidate, being the lesser of two evils from the perspective of the majority of voters.

For her, the greatest thing about Trump is that he occupies the media's headspace and no one pays too much attention to her or her policies. Both are pretty uninspiring.

This article does a good job of explaining the perspective of a lot of the people who I suspect support Trump (although I'm an inner city elite and I like this article only because it plays to my pre-existing bias): http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-reasons-trumps-rise-...
I see a lot of the support for Trump as being similar to a lot of the support for Brexit. There's a large segment of the population that has been left behind by globalisation and legitimately believes their pain and suffering has been completely ignored by the various groups that are at the steering wheel of government, the media, finance etc. I don't think either Brexit or Trump offer legitimate solutions to that pain, but the people who support Brexit/Trump are just glad someone is finally fucking listening to them and giving them some acknowledgment, rather than just dismissing them as dumb and/or racist.

Accordingly, I don't see Trump's base support being that rocked by Trump being a gropey, blathering idiot, any more than the Democratic base was rocked by Bill Clinton's repeated philandering/accusations of rape back in the 1990s. Trump's base supports him because he is not part of the broader establishment that has ignored him, just as much as Hillary will likely get a lot of votes from people who will vote for her because she is not Trump. For many, it's a choice of the lesser of two evils.

    • 4
Oct 10, 2016

I think you're correct regarding anxiety at globalism but you seem to confuse economic anxiety with racial anxiety. For example, Trump supporters are more likely to hold negative views on immigration overall but they'd rather the country accept an illegal swede than a legal Hispanic immigrant, which is to say the legality (or lack thereof) isn't the issue. White nationalism is on the rise here and in Europe and I think it is dangerous to ignore or deny it and claim some sort of economic reason.

Oct 10, 2016
BobTheBaker:

they'd rather the country accept an illegal swede than a legal Hispanic immigrant

You're making the assumption that the Swede is preferred because of race when that's not the case at all. The Swede would be preferred because that person has a much better chance of being educated and skilled whereas a Mexican immigrant does not. Stop race baiting. You're the biggest cry baby about racial issues on this board.

    • 2
Oct 10, 2016

"race baiting" is the new buzzword for "stop discussing race because I don't want to acknowledge racism exists". The word has become as meaningless. You can believe whatever you want. I could pull up statistics on racial resentment among Trump supporters and republicans in general but I am sure they will just be dismissed, have a good day bro, further response to you simply isn't worth my time.

    • 1
Oct 10, 2016

Well, you failed to address the Swede vs Mexican immigrant problem having absolutely nothing to do with race. We just don't need mass immigration from any country that is sending their uneducated and unskilled people. It's just a drain on our economy.

    • 1
Oct 10, 2016

let me address this: you are a (seemingly) intelligent Trump supporter but Trump's largest base is white males without college degrees. These people (and thus the people answering the polls) are almost definitely not performing the uneducated vs educated calculus like you did when considering immigrants, which means it is most likely racial, plain and simple. Same reason they'd rather an illegal Hispanic than a legal Somali (in this case it has to do with the Somali most likely being Muslim)

Oct 10, 2016
BobTheBaker:

Same reason they'd rather an illegal Hispanic than a legal Somali (in this case it has to do with the Somali most likely being Muslim)

I understand the point you're trying to make, but I still don't think it's race related. In your example above, (if that were to be true) it would signal to me that the legal Somali is viewed as a potential safety issue whereas the illegal Mexican is mostly likely just viewed as a entitlement leech.

To me, this isn't a racial bias but just the fact that the Somali comes from a hotbed region for the production of radical islamic terrorists. I think it's a religious bias but not racism.

    • 1
Oct 10, 2016

yes that is religious bias but that's my point: Trump supporters are more likely to be both racially and religiously resentful than even the average republican. They are more likely to hold negative views of Hispanics, Blacks, & Muslims. This is easily verified by looking at polls done by political scientists studying these very topics. Of course no one is saying ALL of the anxiety is racial, but ALOT of it is. White nationalism is on the rise man, there is no denying that. It is no coincidence that the tea party (the beginning of the end of the republican party imo) formed after a black man became president, and Trump followed (step two of their slow demise).

Oct 11, 2016

That's not true at all. Immigration is the one thing our economy has going for us over the long-term over every other developed country. The short way to put is take Japan and the burdens on their government and new workers given their huge skew towards an aging population. America by contrast, just regular citizens, are currently hovering at birth rate slightly below the replacement rate, immigration is constantly adding more people keeping our demographic younger instead of aging.

That's not to say that there isn't a lot of room for improvements in our current immigration policy, but misunderstanding that fundamental truth would do a lot more harm than good over a 50 year span.

Oct 10, 2016

I am pro immigration, but I believe it should be closely controlled for the benefit of the US. For example, when the US demographics say we need to add some young workers as you mentioned, we then allow people in at a controlled rate, like a spigot. I am very against illegal border jumping and undocumented people living in this country.

Oct 13, 2016

It's not a matter of race, it's a matter of religion. Letting in 500,000 immigrants - a percentage of whom hold a fundamental religious belief that is directly against Western values - would obviously change the landscape of our society for the worse, and even moreso in a generation or two when these immigrants have children at that much higher birthrate.

    • 2
Oct 10, 2016

with Muslims it's religious discrimination, with Hispanics it's racial discrimination. Discrimination based on race, religion, or gender is also against (modern) western values. I have a problem with all of it.

Oct 10, 2016
computerized:

It's not a matter of race, it's a matter of religion. Letting in 500,000 immigrants - a percentage of whom hold a fundamental religious belief that is directly against Western values - would obviously change the landscape of our society for the worse, and even moreso in a generation or two when these immigrants have children at that much higher birthrate.

Which particular Western values? If the Western values you're thinking of are, for example, reliance on evidence-based science, the separation of church and state and allowing women to have more control over reproduction - are you talking about not letting in 500,000 immigrant evangelical Christians?

    • 4
Oct 12, 2016
ArcherVice:

America by contrast, just regular citizens, are currently hovering at birth rate slightly below the replacement rate, immigration is constantly adding more people keeping our demographic younger instead of aging.

Good stuff. One of our biggest current problems is an oversupplied labor market and the one cause for a LITTLE optimism is the aging population and how their eventual retirement should allow the market to finally clear and you not only call it a bad thing, but also suggest ways to avoid it. Between you and the baker just blindly boiling everything down to racism (old leftist trick) we may literally solve all the country's problems right here in this thread.

    • 1
Oct 10, 2016

yea dude, I am (blindly) boiling (everything) down to racism when I stated (a lot) of it is racism (which means some of it is not if you want me to break it down for you). I can verify a lot of what I've posted with hard numbers but you don't care, you don't want to acknowledge reality. At the end of the day, you'll blindly subscribe to this notion that the uproar over immigration has to do with legal vs illegal (bullshit) or adapt's mental gymnastics about education (also bullshit). You're the most enlightened individual on here, bravo.

Oct 11, 2016

The "rightist" trick would be to boil down my comments to "racism." Nowhere in any of my posts has racism been the focal point of any contention. And don't put words into my mouth. My contention on immigration was that it kept our demographic younger, it does, which reduces the debt per young worker in supporting the retirement age social programs. An aging population, like Japan, would put an excessive burden on the workforce and sustainability of those programs. There's nothing racist about math.

That sounds like personal optimism more than anything else. Hoping senior and retirement age workers retire so it would in theory open up spots along the totem pole.

Oct 12, 2016
ArcherVice:

Nowhere in any of my posts has racism been the focal point of any contention.

No disagreement here, wasn't talking about you. You took the high road and left it at "morons". ;-)

    • 1
Oct 11, 2016

Yes, anyone who supports Donald Trump is a moron. As I've outlined above, not a single one of you can point to any policy or issue facing the presidency that he has put forward a cognizant idea that isn't outright ridiculous--you still haven't. Which is pretty fucking charitable considering everything else beside his lack of any knowledge or policies.

I'm waiting for any of you to prove you aren't morons by showing me a single rational thought behind supporting Trump. You haven't been able to, which is where the problem is. All any of you have been able to show is why you're voting for him: the emotional truths you've assigned to his soundbites and various degrees of negative partisanship and resentment. Under scrutiny, or just any semblance of the simple act of thinking, those soundbites fall apart.

Which has been the entire point of my perorations and fact based discourse in this thread.

Oct 11, 2016

Another point I've noticed of you and fellow Trump supporters, you weren't able to rebut anything I've said so you tried to pivot the conversation into one about racism or partisanship. Really, really tired of the same screeds repeated ad nauseam. None of you have offered anything of substance.

Oct 19, 2016

+1 SSits. My thoughts almost to a T. Great perspective captured in that article.

Oct 13, 2016
    • 1
    • 1
Oct 17, 2016
    • 1
    • 1
Oct 19, 2016
    • 1
Oct 11, 2016
Oct 13, 2016
Oct 25, 2016