Good podcast by Dr. David Sinclair, Harvard Medical School professor, focusing on longevity
TLDR (at 1:02:50):
- intermittent fast. Adopt one meal a day (OMAD) or longer fasts. Cut out snacks
- Eat the veggies
- Cut out the sugar consumption
- Cut out/reduce meat consumption
- Focus on plant proteins first in the meal, and reduce/delay the carbs
- Take Metformin for off-label anti-aging benefits. Supplement with NMN, Resversetrol
Everyone knows all you need is a good adrenochrome supplier. Everyone who's anyone on Wall Street's doing it.
Drink water all the time
Stay away from toxic substances like cigarettes, drugs and strong alcohol.
"Strong alcohol" seems like a way of weaseling out of the conclusion that alcohol consumption reduces life expectancy. I know that some people point to studies that argue that low or moderate alcohol consumption increases longevity, but those results were entirely because they did not control for pre-abstinence behaviors among individuals who currently abstain from alcohol. Many people who are not drinking alcohol currently are doing so because they had an awful alcoholism problem previously which already hurt their life expectancy. Once you control for the people who are truly abstaining from alcohol and risk behaviors, it's clear that they live longer than people who consume alcohol.
There are some studies that show how wine may increase life expectancy.
Is it possible that it is not the alcohol at all, but rather the fact that enjoying a little bit of a buzz every now and then makes you a happy person.
Another madness about people, they pay for a early death by consumption of these things.
everything in moderation man
Does this include my Ex?
be more specific, "drugs" is too broad
albert hoffman, inventor of LSD, lived to 102
willie nelson is kicking it at 88
gordon wasson, first american to take psilocybin (that wrote about it), died at 88 (was born in 19th century)
drugs with high toxicity and/or high dependence like heroin, meth, cocaine, alcohol, and so on definitely reduce life expectancy on balance but to just say "avoid drugs" is not a nuanced discussion when talking about something like ending your life. some drugs are remarkably safe physiologically and while some of them can freak you out (which may increase blood pressure during the experience or something), it doesn't mean that they're deadly
If you’re into this topic I highly recommend listening to Peter Attia, Andrew Huberman, and Tim Ferris
Absolutely man. Good recommendations
How long would you want to live? 100 years? 200? 1000? Would you work in IB for multiple centuries if you could stop aging?
The key is to avoid dying once a decade every time there is a financial crisis
Have sex and be happy. Don't stress out, go for a walk everyday, enjoy the sunshine and company of others.
Crazy ass chick tried to sell me USANA
Man I'm glad to see such a post on this forum. I thought everyone in IB was just made of steel.
I'm 22 and already got high visceral fat level… Grinding in IB really makes me stressful and crave for junk foods all the time. Also I can't sleep in the night (but have to get up early - as a result I'm constantly sleep deprived).
Daily exercises (weight training atm) do help me feel a bit better. But still not enough, I suppose.
How do you get rid of visceral fat ?
All this suffering just to increase your lifespan by a week
By 20% or more mate. Not suffering btw. Just choosing A over B.
Lol at 20%.
Have lots and lots of sex
You’re so jealous of Dan Bilzerian
He's living my dream life
One meal a day full of veggies and plant based protein
Pass.
Would you rather live 100 years as a fawn or 80 years as a lion? Give me the meat, the healthy snacks, the gains, and the weights.
Funny thing is genetics plays a HUGE role in how long you'll live. All these people saying no alcohol, no meat etc will likely be on their death bed crying "oh fuck no, oh fuck no" as the realization they wasted wasted their life sets in.
Also as long as you don't over do it by drinking a bottle of jack every night to sleep then snorting coke to wake up, you'll likely live to your mid 70s. A lot of rockstars did it and are still alive and the ones that died usually were killed by an overdose not a random heart attack or stroke. I know a lot of older people who drank moderately and are still kicking and others who abstained that are just as healthy. Also modern medicine is really closing the gap so all the advice people are giving out is likely outdated.
Bill Maher had a great clip about all of this. Basically everyone who has pushed some unique diet to longevity has died at the average life expectancy age or died even well before average life expectancy. It was a comical and eye opening segment.
Fiber is crucial as well. If you eat a diet devoid of fiber it tends to be problematic.
Nad+ works well too. It is marketed as Tru Niagen.
That’s just a precursor.
Does sex count as exercise
Unironically yes. My glutes and jaw has become much more developed.
Great topic - have been listening to Peter Attia since he started his podcast. Another thing I would add, know your family health history and genetic predispositions.
Personally, I'm trying to get out of the cycle of Friday night/ Saturday night going to the bar because it's easy. I'm looking to lower alcohol consumption and add more variety, hobbies, volunteering, etc. Generally just to lead a more fulfilling life, as I think that could help lifespan/ health span, too.
Vegans once again trying to lie their way to have people adopt their standards.
Chicken breast will never kill you. Vegoils, except olive oil, will kill you. Plant based fake meat, which have higher than average fats and lower than average protein, while costing 2 to 3 times what quality meat costs, in exchange of being highly chemical, will also kill you.
No matter what kind of bs excuses you guys try to find, whether it's climate change or eternal life, I'm not dropping chicken, turkey, tuna, salmon and beef from my diet.
Funny thing is it's all hypothetical. Look up all the health gurus from today and back in history. They all died roughly around the same time as say a JP Morgan, who smoke cigars all day every day.
oldest american lived to 112 smoked a dozen cigars every day and loved whisky - https://www.cigaraficionado.com/article/america-s-oldest-man-age-112-sm…
oldest french woman smoked until she was 117 and ate chocolate near daily - https://www.theregister.com/2019/09/16/worlds_oldest_human_122_yr_old_f…
genetics play a huge part, and part of me thinks stress is a MUCH bigger part than anyone gives credence to. you always see these super old people living lifestyles of leisure, happiness, and good social bonds, not stressing about their macros
They don't have enough science to confirm how to improve quality of life and longevity, especially when you adjust for genetic factors. I believe everything he says is true, to an extent, but he lives like a mouse. Being obsessed with longevity and health is just a fear of death and what comes next (if anything).
Fwiw…gained some weight over the course of the pandemic and wanted to change things up. I’ve always pursued this subject and generally maintain adequate work life balance (after analyst years), workout regularly, and eat a fairly clean diet. I went ~95% vegan 4 mos ago (still incorporate some seafood occasionally for protein, but 100% plant based otherwise). I also intermittent fast, but had been doing that for several years already. Results:
Tbh I never thought I’d become a soy boy, but it’s undoubtedly been a massive life hack - and I’ve tried them all.
Quick Question: What kind of Seafood do you eat? and Did you go from eating out a lot to cooking your own meals?
Shrimp and fish. Maybe 2x a month on average. I cook a good bit but also order in and eat out occasionally, too. I wouldn’t say the ratio has changed much. IF helps a lot with this as you can cut down to 2 or maybe 3 smaller meals a day as opposed to full blown meal prepping.
I think you have to be somewhat flexible if you go down this route and want to maintain it without a massive time commitment to it. If you are going out to dinners etc it is difficult to find options that are 100% vegan which is another reason I leave seafood on the table for now. Someone above mentioned the perils of fake meats etc which is also true. There are a ton of vegan options/replacements these days but some are heavily processed. All of that being said, the adjustments have been easier than I anticipated.
good on you for this! if you don't mind, I'm curious
>implying I want to live longer
i only want to live to 75. Fuck retirement
What about freezing your body? If it's only about age then it's the best option
sinclair is great, I like that he eats his own cooking, but I have a really hard time listening to a longevity expert that doesn't advocate exercise and barely exercises himself. first time he was on rogan he said he worked out once a week for 3 hours, one hour of stretching, one hour of cardio (bike, elliptical), and one hour of calisthenics
plus the data on fasting doesn't take into account the quality of the diet nor the mechanism by which you benefit from fasting. it's presumed to be autophagy (the destruction of old cells) but that can be brought not just by fasting, but by exercise, sauna, etc., so I wonder if fasting is the end all be all. not to say you should do what the 20y ago advice was (snacking all day), but it remains a question I have
and on the meat question. if meat was bad you wouldn't see sardinians, ashkenazi jews, etc., living long. the key is moderation, not elimination. we've eaten meat as long as we've been a species, stop this nonsense
Maybe its because I am still just an Analyst but I have to believe the IB lifestyle has long-term consequences on the back-end. Maybe not if you just do a 2yr stint but 5+ yrs of this (incl PE MF Aso type hours) certaintly would be taking a toll.
Obviously do not mean that there is not point in trying to eat healthy, drink lots of water, and exercise when you get the chance. But I always sad laugh when I see certain mid level bankers/investors into very niche health trends as if any of it will outweigh the lack of sleep, intense stress, and sitting for 18hrs a day.
spot on. stress plays a much bigger part in longevity than if you've got reishi mushrooms in your mud tea or whatever's "in" right now
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