I know many bankers have a profound hate for SEC, but my god...... HR people are the worst. They make the recruiting process harder than it's supposed to be, just so they can justify their fees/ salary. If by any chance you are an HR person on this forum, GO F* YOURSELF.
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Based, fuck those useless SJW Karens
LOOOOOOOOL
I think by HR you meant compliance.
or the recruiting team
No, the recruiting team.
who hurt you?
I wonder who might have hurt him.
A lot of mean European Karens.
Did Karen ghost you?
ahaha have shared the same thoughts ...lOL prob not as extreme
my dating life is as succesul as my HR interactions ------- constant ghosting and rejection
HR aren't the ones cutting you, bankers are.
I was going to say something similar (making the assumption here that this person hates HR because they were rejected...so the rest of my reply assumes that). For some reason people love to hate HR and direct their anger at them. It is easier than thinking there might actually be something wrong with your resume/background/etc that makes you less qualified than others. It is also easier to blame them than those bankers you look up to, because clearly they want you to work with them but HR is getting in the way.
I know it sounds harsh, but you’ll get much further in your career if you look at ways you can improve (networking, your resume, etc) rather than pointing the finger at others.
Look, you may be right that some of the stuff HR does is crazy, but that won’t change anything, and almost always if you have a solid background you’ll get an interview (especially if you network) so focus on that.
I get what you're saying and agree. One of the issues I see with HR as it relates to candidates I have put forward is when they do not let the candidate know after a super day or something along those lines. I know you kind of get the hint a few days after a super, but I think they should be emailing in any case. That is one of a few issues I see with them from a recruiting standpoint. The candidate worked hard to get to the sd, I shouldn't be the one reaching out to HR to relay the message to my referral. I have let my former HR team know that. Some of these kids have other exploding offers etc.
I went to b school to switch career paths and experienced what it is like on the candidate side and I understand the frustration that some here have with them. It reflects poorly on the organization when HR acts in certain ways. There are two firms that I was in final rounds with that I didn't get, both recruiters reached out and gave me in-depth feedback and one of the bankers who got me there emailed HR with me in cc asking for her and I to connect at x point in time because he thinks there may be an opening. Both of those firms obviously left a great impression on me. One BB and one EB, so not always a scale thing. The bank I chose to join also seemed to have solid HR/recruiting people. The general apathy of some of them is a turn off.
All of your points still remain - OP should focus on what they can control. HR is not really the reason you would get dinged or get an interview to begin with. The issue is what happens sometimes when the ball is in HR's court.
I know I should improve myself and I will DO IT, but when people less qualified than you get interview offers It really hurts.
someone got a rejection
Recently signed an offer. My resume was handed to the Sr. Analyst (this is for ER) 12 days ago. Said Analyst reached out to me the same day. Call was set up for a time 6 days ago. Talked with Director of research the next day (Friday). Superday set up on Monday along with a case study that I had 48 hours to do. Follow up conversations the day the case study was completed.
From first conversation to offer it took 13 days. How was this possible? Because not a single HR person was involved lol.
Reading this made me cry cause a model/writing test, 14 phone interviews, and 2+ months later I'm still waiting for HR to approve my offer even tho the Sr. analyst said he wants me
Shit bro sorry to hear that. To make you feel better, I quit my job ~6 months ago and have been interviewing since. I've gotten so close several times and its been really disheartening. Keep at it dude. Use that limbo to say you have an offer when you talk to other shops.
14 phone interviews is retarded. If it takes you that many interviews to evaluate a candidate you don’t know what you’re doing.
May be wrong, but the multiple phone interviews sounds a lot like my experience with Ducera.
Sounds like Citi. I've had terrible experience with them.
Happy for you buddy!
I wouldn’t have any issues with HR if a) they weren’t so fake and b) weren’t so lazy
Interviewing with HR is a genuine waste of time. They love to pretend like the reason you are joining is the culture or some other bs. Like, yeah, I got into IB because I love the work life balance here, sure thing. The worst part is that the fact that they force you to basically say a bunch of pointless crap instead of focusing on your ability is because deep down they have no idea what they are supposed to look for when hiring. I remember I had one interview once where the HR interviewer didn’t know what HSBC was. Like with all due my respect, but if you are daily involved in finance you should at least know who your competitors are, specially if its one of the largest banks by AUM.
Just be careful, because it depends on the firm. I don’t work in IB (at HF) but I trust my HR team to run many of the interviews I need and they know a lot about the work. So if you blow off an interview with them or don’t prep you will be dinged.
That’s not the case across the board, and many interviews can be more “fluff” but there are firms that do have great HR teams that are very connected to the senior people and the work.
I will echo your point. Talked to a recruiter today that really knew her stuff about the roles I was being considered for. Just like there's a spectrum in every other profession, there's some recruiters/HR people on top of their shit and others that are simply a waste of carbon.
I agree. Doing well in interviews with HR is an absolute must.
Investment Bank... ranking by AuM. And you say HR don't know what they're talking about?
Where do I say I was interviewing for IB buddy? Maybe you need to improve you reading comprehension
HR is revenge of the C student. always the dumbest MFs in the corporate/business world work in HR
VERY TRUE
Right there with you. HR is mostly a waste of time, IMO. I've had the misfortune of having to engage HR in a numbner of my consulting engagements - with the result being the same every single time: fail.
Hirevue - have to get through that before even talking to a human in HR. Not easy when you are not used to talking into a camera.
Don't know who's cutting who but back in the day when I had my ACs with different banks HR called me a few days after said AC with a US bank to say I'm not gonna get an offer because: 1. You did not talk about how your past experiences are applicable to IB (had 3 M&A internships already, like what am I supposed to say?) and 2. Was not prepared well enough for technicals (was asked like 2 or 3 technical questions which I smashed). A few months later I found out from friends in said bank that my AC scores were well above average. So yeah FUCK HR.
Try working with your internal IT staff. Even worse buddy lol. Wait till you meet Parth Patel from the India office ready to fix you laptop
lmaooooo sb
My favorite is the moment you get internally rejected, they cease any and all communication with you.
HR aren't any better from the inside either. Genuinely considered going into HR a couple of years ago when I wan in the market for a job. The bar is so low - has anyone ever seen a single HR initiative that wasn't at best a colossal waste of time and at worst made doing business significantly harder?
HR is absolutely useless. This is coming from an internal perspective - despite being a top-ranked analyst and having MD backing, didn't have any support when pursuing opportunities internally (mainly visa issues)...ended up leaving the firm for an external opportunity
Only regret - should've tried to hook up with my co-workers...in hindsight, probably wouldn't have had any repercussions based on how useless HR was...
sounds a lot like Citi lol. I know they have visa troubles with internal transfers
Trying to be helpful here: many people at HR think they are driving the company - think dir. player personnel for NFL team (not named the Cowboys . . . ). I have HEARD HR people exclaim their role is to 'drive company culture.' There are two things you need to do for HR screen: CHECK the boxes, and BE PERSONABLE. They will ask 'do you have M&A experience,' and for all they know that is Mayonnaise and Aioli. Say YES. DON'T YAP ABOUT JOINT VENTURES. They don't know what a JV is, they don't care. CHECK THE BOX and say yes. Keep this in mind at all times: THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. They literally do not know what the job is, and they will tell you how well they know the culture in that 10 person team out of 15,000 despite having joined the organization (in HR no less) 8 weeks ago. If you don't hear them typing, you are probably being too complicated. Dumb it down, and CHECK THE BOX.
You can go online and learn a ton about ATS's but it isn't gonna help much. HR and recruiters basically have no oversight. Some only look at your LinkedIn bio; some only look at your brassring/ATS profile; some only look at your resume PDF - you just can't predict. Understand this, with no oversight, you are basically relying on recruiters to expend effort when they don't have to do so. They need 5-8 candidates that clear a hurdle, and many will put forth the minimal effort to find those - no one will come along and QA/QC their work to see if the 5-8 are really the best. How to be one of those? No idea - some strategies are apply as early in cycle as possible; others are apply first thing in a.m. so it hits their inbox as 'fresh.' My suggestion, get your app in, then reach out to any internal contact that can find out something and let the hiring manager know of the referral - amazing how fast that works.
Recruiters constantly ghost everyone, and I can go into old workday accounts that will show things 1.5 years ago that are still "under consideration." If a superior never checks, many (not all) just don't bother; if they do get checked, nothing stopping them from batch dinging tons of candidates as 'reviewed, does not meet qualifications.'
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