If the Value Voters Summit had blown up with all the speakers and non-Presidential candidate attendees inside...

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...would the net impact on society be negative or positive? I say it would be positive, and here's why:

--It is a collection of people who believe we should live in a Christian theocracy

--They are absolutely obsessed with gay people. Every speaker rants on and on about the so-called "gay agenda" and how it's going to ruin our society, how we need to ban homosexuality from the military and some go so far as to say we need to criminalize gay sex. Anyone this obsessed with gay people is probably in the closet. Btw, last I checked, the highest divorce and teen pregnancy rates were in the bible belt and the lowest rates were in liberal secular elitist states like Massachusetts.

--They constantly distort the founding fathers as being some Christian fundamentalists. This couldn't be further from the truth. For instance, Thomas Jefferson, who wrote the Declaration of Independence, kept a personal copy in which he removed every single supernatural thing. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jefferson_Bible. Further, many of the founders were deists. Belief in a creator does not equate to belief in a personal God who is obsessed with where we stick our dicks.

--They believe in religious tests for public figures and that all leaders in government must be devout Christians

--Some speakers, including the head of the American Family Association and "reverend" Robert Jeffress (two pals of Rick Perry), call Mormonism a cult. Jeffress has called Catholicism a cult.

--Further, many of the speakers don't speak just of radical Islam as a threat, but rather Islam in general as a threat.

--Many of these fools want to not only ban abortion at any stage (and for any reason), but also want restrictions on contraception. Is there anything dumber than that?

--The head of the American Family Association, Bryan Fischer, said in his speech that we must elect a President who doesn't believe in Evolution because it goes against the bible. So, basically, ignore science and anything that contradicts a man-made book of questionable historical accuracy

--These clowns want national days of prayer (Christian prayer, mind you), religious litmus tests, are obsessed with homosexuals, think that gay marriage is the downfall of society (which doesn't even make sense on any logical, practical, or reasonable level), and want to legislate morality

Let's be real for a second. These people want all of this shit based upon a book, the Bible, that was written by man and is loaded with contradictions and outright falsehoods. It's perfectly fine if you want to believe every word in it, I don't give a shit what you do on your time. But these people have influence, and they want to load government with people who will push these views on the rest of us. We're talking about a bunch of incurious buffoons who have no interest in learning about anything in the world and seek to censor anything that goes against the Bible.

The best part about all of this is there is ZERO actual proof that a personal God exists. Literally zero objective evidence for it. You can make extremely strong arguments for deism, in fact I am sort of a deist myself, but there are NO arguments for a personal God. It has to be taken entirely on faith, and anything taken entirely on faith has no role in pushing morality into law.

A side note...how funny is it that clowns like this (Rick Perry included) will throw evolution out the window because it supposedly "has some holes in it" and will outright dismiss climate change for the same reasons, BUT these same assholes will STILL push the Bible as the word of a true personal God despite crater-sized holes in it. I guess the so-called holes only matter when they're poked in secular science and reason!

Bonus: Here's a highlight reel of the AFA's Bryan Fischer, a major speaker at the conference:

Comments (13)

Oct 13, 2011

You have too much free time on your hands dude

Oct 13, 2011

...says the guy with 3x as many posts as me. But, good job adding to the conversation!

Oct 13, 2011

Wow, another anti Christian post by TheKing.

Every party has their nuts dude. As if the Dems don't have Socialists and Communists.

I agree though that these people suck.

Oct 13, 2011

It's not anti-christian, it's anti-lunatic. These people aren't at the fringe, they command a lot of power in Republican politics and it should concern you and anyone else who isn't a fundamentalist moron.

The world would be a better place if everyone realized that religion in any form is not certain, and should not be pushed on others as though it was.

Oct 13, 2011
TheKing:

The world would be a better place if everyone realized that religion in any form is not certain, and should not be pushed on others as though it was.

At the recommendation of a WSO member, I recently read the books "God's Debris" and "The Religion War." They are really quick reads (few hours each) and incredibly interesting. The core message of "The Religion War" is actually the same point you're making. You should take a look if you've got a few hours to spare (which, according to UFO, you do.. ha).

Oct 13, 2011
CompBanker:
TheKing:

The world would be a better place if everyone realized that religion in any form is not certain, and should not be pushed on others as though it was.

At the recommendation of a WSO member, I recently read the books "God's Debris" and "The Religion War." They are really quick reads (few hours each) and incredibly interesting. The core message of "The Religion War" is actually the same point you're making. You should take a look if you've got a few hours to spare (which, according to UFO, you do.. ha).

I recently read Republican Gomorrah which is also along the lines of what I'm saying. I'll have to check those out when I've got time...despite what UFO "I've got more posts than you" Insider says, I've actually got quite a bit of shit to do.

Oct 13, 2011

There are plenty religious people who are not like this. These guys are nuts and to compare them to religious people all over is unfair (not saying you are doing this).

The KKK is supposedly religious. Many Dictators have co-oped religion for their cause. These guys are plain nuts, end of story.

And you don't have to be Christian to force your value beliefs on others...

Oct 13, 2011

I could have sworn Jesus preached forgiveness. These guys must not have received the message.

ANT is right though. Both sides have nutjobs. Politicians love to polarize us and get us to hate the other side. Divide and conquer, bitches. The only way to not give into this strategy is to learn to (ironically) forgive these people for thinking the way they do.

Oct 13, 2011

ANT, I agree with much of what you just said. Nothing excuses guys like Romney, Cain, and other Presidential hopefuls from showing up and pandering to these assclowns. It only serves to further legitimize them.

Oct 13, 2011

I would prefer no one blew up.

As an atheist and social liberal I can understand your frustrations with Republicans pandering to these groups, but really it is just a matter of politics. There are blemishes on the left side of the spectrum that also wield significant influence (although I can't think of a Democratic constituency with comparable influence in elections).

Oct 13, 2011

Unions. Case closed.

Dems have all kinds of shady characters they appease. The Christian element within the republican party has such sway and influence because a large portion of this country identifies themselves as Christian.

You leave the big city and you roll into communities that self segregate. In NYC it might be normal or at least non shocking to see two men with kids or ass less chaps, but you roll into middle America and it is completely alien.

Not saying it is right or wrong, but you need to realize that it is a powerful base and sizable chunk of the population.

Oct 13, 2011

ANT:

Unions, who I am not a fan of in general, vie for economic interests, not so-called "moral" interests. No one else is out there pushing the "word of God" and attempting to have such a deeply personal impact on people's lives. All based upon things that cannot ever be proven. Hence, I do not think there is a comparable group on the left.

The socialist / communist types (who have no power or sway whatsoever) are more akin to the super-far right Ayn Rand types (who actually do have quite a bit of sway.)

Oct 13, 2011
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