Am I the only one that finds Indian GMAT results, especially their performance on the verbal section, at least a little bit suspicious? I mean, this is a nation where police can be bought for a few hundred rupies and where politicians can be bought for a few hundred dollars. Why is GMAC so sure that their Indian test admins are so incorruptible? How secure are Indian facilities; does anyone know?
I just want to highlight the fact that I have absolutely no evidence supporting this allegation--it is based solely on suspicious Indian profiles that I've come across on gmatclub.com (individuals that can't put together coherent sentences and yet scored 95%+ on the verbal section). The closest piece of actual evidence is the fact that Indians, on average, score 55 points higher on the GMAT relative to Americans. Obviously this isn't very compelling.
Again, I'm not accusing any individual of cheating on the GMAT. I'm just expressing suspicion and I'm wondering if anyone else shares this sentiment.
I've met a number of Top-25 B-school grads who were international and couldn't speak English well, again it's anecdotal, but it is suggestive. I don't mean merely ineloquent, rather these were people who had difficulty stringing together a basic sentence. Not the GMAT, but still illustrative is how The College Board cancelled the May SAT in Korea, basically they didn't hold any tests in South Korea due to rampant cheating. http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/09/world/asia/south-korea-exam-scandal
As someone who is Indian and has given the GMAT, I do not agree with your assertions about cheating. My own experience, as well as the experience of friends, of taking the test involved the use of fairly stringent measures to ensure no cheating. This included steps such as not allowing any objects with the test-taker, video-recording of all test-takers, etc. I don't believe any additional steps are taken anywhere else in the world.
Now, let me give you my 2 cents on why Indians do so well in the test despite being ineloquent:
> Indians are fantastic at test-taking: From the day our parents decide to send us to pre-school to the day we graduate from university, life is a barrage of tests for an average mid-income Indian child. E.g., the entrance examination for admission to the most prestigious engineering schools in India sees over 400K applicants, for just a few thousand spots. Most people spend over 2 years taking additional classes beyond school (over 20 hours/week) preparing for such an exam. This preparation hones us for not just the particular exam, but also our ability to take ANY test.
> The GMAT tests English comprehension, not spoken/written English: For most Indians, English is the second language after their mother tongue. Thus, when many Indians read/speak/write English, they first translate it into their mother tongue before processing it in their mind. While this may not be a problem in comprehending, it does lead to many errors while speaking or writing in English. A classic example is, 'taking an exam' (correct) vs. 'giving an exam' (incorrect but very common in North India - based off translating a Hindi sentence into English without thinking about grammar)
I hope this partly answers some of your misconceptions about test-taking in India. We do have some rotten apples among us (who doesn't), but please don't let that color your impression of the entire 1.2 Billion of us.
Peace!
Indian people are very smart and capable. Its possible that cheating could occur, but unlikely since they are a very ethical group as well.
lol you just sound butthurt cause you can't ace it yourself
Anyone who has taken the GMAT can vouch the fact that fluency in English hardly matters. But then again I have never personally known a non-native scoring V45+ in verbal. Indians spoke their incorrect English all their life and aren't going to have flawless English just because they memorized some grammar rules for a month
Writing, and speaking for that matter, requires you to actively construct sentences, whereas reading a test question and picking the right answer is a different skill - one that implies a much more passive approach to language.
Seems reasonable, though you would think that this would hurt them on sentence correction.
This made me laugh. I'm never buying a bond from an Indian company again. Bastards.
Not saying I agree or disagree with anything here, but according to this article, 54% of people in India have paid bribes.
http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2013/07/here-are-the-c…
And how many Wall Streeters have taken a drug harder than marijuana? Know someone that does cocaine? And even then we still allow those who break law that could lead to felony convictions to handle billions of people's money? Get off your high horse.
Yes, Indians cheat the system, and so do many others from that side of the world, particularly in china, korea, and so on. I know many indians who have admitted to me privately they indeed cheated and that the procter was paid $5000 US, which is about 6-7 months salary in India to ignore test takers who would either copy down the questions word for word or video tape the entire thing. And the video tape would be shown to a group charged $500 US per person 1 week in advance of test writing. I am also aware of the same practice occuring in Vietnam and Thailand. Typically the poorer the country, the more likely to look away they will do.
The issue is people don't see cheating as cheating in these nations. You have people who come from a culture where cheating is a way of life, cutting corners is viewed as being resourceful. You think they are going to stop now. What kind of culture views it as normal to scale a 5 story wall to help your child cheat a grade 10 statewide exam? If this is what the parents do, imagine what the kids do. You think they'll have an issue cheating the american test. They have been cheating from grade 1, they aren't going to stop at 28.
""They're going up to the window and they're rolling cheat sheets, rolling them into a ball and sending them in, or some have made them into Paper airplanes," says Lakshmi." "As a result of this extreme cheating, about 600 students were expelled. Two dozen parents were detained after being caught. Later, however, all were released."
You see NO ONE WAS PUNISHED. They were arrested and allowed to go back free into society. 600 students expelled but ask, why would 600 people even TRY to cheat? Because in the past cheating was ignored, only because the story caught fire internationally they had to do something to not look totally corrupt.
Ask yourself what kind of culture would view parents climbing 5 story walls risking death for cheating on an exam would not cheat on a far more important GMAT?
Does it make sense in your mind the Indian who can barely scrape together a coherent English sentence can outscore a unilingual north american?
"Top U.S. business schools canceled the admissions-test scores of 84 applicants and students -- including two enrolled at the University of Chicago and one who has graduated from Stanford University -- who allegedly supplied or accessed live exam questions posted on a Web site." All from china scoretop cheating. The problem is there are around 30 other sites like scoretop, plus cramming schools who give out the test before it is being done. This is why the percentiles keep going up. In fact for the SAT, korean cram school writers take the test in thailand, send it to korea in the timezone difference and the kids cheat the test. They had to cancel all test scores.
"The Graduate Management Admission Council (GMAC), which distributes the GMAT exam, sued Passion for copyright infringement after it posted "live" test questions from GMAT exams online and distributed PDFs from test books.
A Beijing court ordered Beijing Passion Consultancy Ltd on Nov 23 to pay a fine of 520,000 yuan for copyright infringement and publicly apologize for its actions.
Passion, a company that has trained around one third of Chinese students applying to the top 10 American business schools, said on Tuesday that it was sorry for selling GMAT materials without authorization. "
The average score in China is a 582. USA 532, Canada 565, finland 522 (finns are considered amongst the best educated in the world especially in math).
Now isn't it interesting how Vietnam has a 542 and Laos has a 383, cambodia a 338 when the countries are next door to each other and share common population? So once you go into vietnam its geniuses, but the neighbours are all dummies. Isn't it interesting how Korea has only a 475 yet is far richer and be able to afford more and study hard. Isn't it ineteresting that backwards Vietnam is tied with Japan, largely regarded as the leader of asia technologically and with money and prep. Then you have China with a 582. Mongolia, 474. How is it the poorer countries like China and Vietnam who traditionally perform worse than Korea and Japan beat them in US testing? They are all Asians aren't they? And they are all similar types of asian cultures.
nepal 478, pakistan 497, bangladesh 488, burma 462, afghanistan 307, india 577. So again you cross a border and magically people of a similar culture become geniuses, and it just so happens to correlate with cultures with widespread cheating is the most common.
Its just amazing how some fucking assholes crib about Indian performance, more so Asian performance across all forums and start what they are best at-racial attacks on Asians only for the reason they just don't have the ability to beat Asians at their own games. Firstly, all GMAT centers are well equipped with CCTVs monitoring candidates 24*7. There is absolutely no scope for cheating. Secondly, the reason why you feel Indians are scoring high and you are not is because you are a dickhead who cant understand the difference between written/spoken English and English comprehension. GMAT tests the latter, not the former. Thirdly, children in India and China have to learn the hard way right from the very beginning of their lives, when American children are busy spending their day at Mc Donalds eating burgers and growing fat. Something which Mr. Obama himself said a couple of years ago. Indians give CAT, a very similar exam to GMAT, an exam in which over 300000 people from India itself sit and admissions are not granted to those securing rank below 98 percentile in any of top 10 colleges. In another exam for engineering which is considered one of the toughest, only those who rank in the top 3000 out of 400000 get admissions. Lastly, the kind of language you used, which suggests you are a racist, shows the kind of upbringing you have had in what is supposedly, the most advanced country in the world. This is the standard you have even after being brought up in such an advanced nation. Shameless!!
Your belligerent rant is an emotional diatribe that doesn't address any of the comments, concerns or facts brought up in the thread. That said, please explain to this dickhead the difference between written/spoken English and English comprehension. How does one comprehend something that one is completely unfamiliar with. Please enlighten this stupid, fat American.
Also, it just makes me laugh when Americans and whites in that western part of the world resort to racism when they cant compete with Asians/Blacks even at their own games. Every other day, I hear of a racist attack in this most advanced country in the world. Do your parents teach you that? Resort to violence? Go and study hard, dickhead, as I believe you need 2 times the preparation for GMAT to compete with Indians or Chinese.
Well... that escalated quickly..
God those avg scores suck. Apparently even Asians are dumb
Dude, go and write to GMAC about it. And, by the way, you whites are beaten up by Asians year after year at the GMAT. And, according to you, most of the Indians cheat and pay bribes to GMAC officials year after year. Why don't you complain to them directly? I would recommend you approaching an International Court of Justice. Go ahead, dude!
Btw, you have superb English Comprehension which goes like this:-
If some Indians are found cheating in an exam, then they must probably be cheating in every exam, including the most sincerely monitored, like the GMAT. Another one goes like this:-
Since Indians are able to beat the most advanced (spoilt?) kids in the world year after year even as they are not native English speakers, they must definitely be cheating so as to achieve that.
Salute to your English understanding. Go and crib in front of GMAC offices!
Even world class universities in US these days are admitting more Indians and Chinese than 'advanced' kids
As for the difference, even if a non native speaker cant speak or write as well as native speakers, he/she can anyways read and understand English, process it in the brain by converting it into his/her mother tongue, derive the answer-like what is the inference etc and solve the question. The reason why i included the exam CAT in my 'rant' is that CAT is very very similar to GMAT and is used by Indian B-Schools. The topper scores 90% correct answers usually. The level of the exam is slightly tougher than the GMAT. And, even though India is no where as advanced as US, there are qualified profs and guides here as well, and Indians do attend classes, especially for English, to prepare for the exam. We do have the habit of taking competitive exams all through our young age, even school exams are designed like that, so a test taking aptitude plays some role in high scores. Same goes for Chinese too. They too face such exams all through their life.
I'm sorry. I'm still confused. Once again, please explain to me how an individual, unable to read, write or understand basic, conversational English, is able to comprehend and answers questions related to extremely complex and technical passages as well as identify and correct subtle grammar violations? Also, stop going on about Indian college entrance examinations. The U.S. has them too. They're called SAT/ACT.
I think Hernan brings up a lot of interesting points about inexplicable statistical variations in IQ that seem to be strongly correlated with social norms that find cheating acceptable and in fact encourage it.
I also want to highlight that I asked this question almost 2 years ago. Since then, I have taken the GMAT, gone to graduate school, graduated and now work full time. Now while this does not make me an authority on Indian/Chinese student corruption, my suspicions on this matter were only elevated based on my own anecdotal experiences (that seem to be widely shared among domestic graduate students).
The internationals literally cheated on everything. Every case study, every group project and on every examination. A few Chinese students were caught and punished (of course, they were extremely offended by American 'irrational' and 'unreasonable' anti-cheating policies). Many of them, somehow, had access to case study/mid-term questions and answers. They told me about a 'question bank' available only to Chinese internationals that is used to ace American tests, including the GMAT and the CFA.
I don't think this is a mystery. The adcoms are well of this, which is why you frequently see Indian/Chinese internationals with phenomenal stats at tier 2 and tier 3 programs. The adcoms keep their mouth shut because they need the internationals to boost the average gmat score of the program to make it appear more selective/prestigious. Employers know this as well. The relatively poor placement statistics among internationals is not entirely a function of Visa issues.
This individual is too full of vitriol to engage at the moment. Not worth it imo. Always appreciate your lucid arguments, Esuric.
This is dead on, I did my Undergrad at a top 3 school. And this is precisely the case, the professors are told to look away at chinese, indians and brazilians cheating because it is "cultural". But the truth is the baby boomers are long gone and the ad-comm is told to increase enrollment despite falling numbers of young people, so its foreign students. They need high test scores to boost their rankings so they aren't even inclined to want to expose this cheating.
And I learned that Chinese, Indian and Arabic teaching assistants were selling test and test answers to people of the same culture before they were even taken. We also have to remember a few people have been caught and publicly shamed for cheating in America, and guess what, they are usually Asians cheating the system, which given how few Asians are a total percent of the population this should be quiet surprising. But really it isn't.
Think of all the Americans who take the test, yet all the people caught cheating and selling the exams online are chinese and east asians. We are told to shut up and ignore that we saw Asians cheat their way through the programs we were in, ignore that they are the ones always getting caught cheating and all the evidence where the test companies have to cancel entire scores from entire asian countries. We also have to ignore that even asian students admit they are cheating as well in interviews in major publications. Esuric, me and you need to stop looking at the evidence and just accept we are big bad boogie racist.
I would actually chalk the high scores up to a culture of studying. Indians / many asians realized that education is a way out of poverty. So while many americans / western cultures waste the opportunities given to them and hate going to school, barely studying etc. many asians work very hard / get forced to work hard by their parents ;) in order to "rise up in the world".
I actually lived with a korean student once back in high school. He had studied english for 8 years at the time and could barely say yes or no. He could however ace ANY and I mean ANY test given to him. He told me that his english education was never about learning to speak english but rather to test well in english. The educational system in many parts of asia is just different and heavy on standardized tests (as an indian guy confirmed further up).
Fully agree with Zewa. And, he has brought up this point very frankly, that Asians may do well in standardized tests even though they maynot speak English properly. Here in Asia, students are administered lots of practice questions, sometimes, an online question bank for a very nominal price, and thus get prepared well before they touch upon any of the official guides. These official guides act as performance enhancement more than preparing us for the basic level.
Is anyone else around here suddenly hungry for popcorn? Be right back, I've gotta go pop some motherfuckin' popcorn.
It is questionable. During my time in B-school, the Indians were, by far, the most unethical scums out of everyone. They constantly lied and I'm not sure they even realize how delusional they are, cheated their way on exams (yes even in B-school), and showed a lot of unethical behavior during recruiting. I have a difficult time trusting them.
Does this also happen when they apply for undergrad schools outside of India? how come they don't do the same thing when it comes to applying to IITs? I mean isn't studying at an IIT a great achievement for indians?
I wish the OP would have written the original post to the GMAC so they could alleviate his concerns or address any issues that do exist. It is unlikely that the OP knows more about "issues" in India than the GMAC which is an international body/company with god knows how many years of on-the-ground experience. Maybe even a google search might have helped. And the fact that literally all (?) the "best" universities on this planet have agreed to accept GMAT as a standardized score should say something.
but I think this mindset is indicative of the reason why the OP sucks - maybe he/she is racist or just plain lazy and misinformed - I don't know. Just the reasoning he has used (as has been pointed out by someone else above) shows that his logical abilities are compromised as well.... or maybe he was just very high or drunk when he wrote this. Anyway, my life experience has shown me that not every american kid is like the OP. Many work hard and try to do the best they can. Others, like the OP, are the future (or maybe current) members of the butt hurt international society.
I think it is a fact that many Chinese cheat the exam. People are saying US is admitting more Chinese than ever, that's true, but I just read an article that discussed how expulsions of Chinese students from universities due to cheating has become a real issue. No one has really addressed Hernan-Dayoleary post. Which honestly says all that needs to be said on the subject. Ofc no one is implying every Chinese student is cheating, but one has to admit there is more gaming the system in China than the U.S.
there is so much wrong with Hernan-Dayoleary 's post that addressing it is like arguing with a crazy person on the subway.. but let me just try to address a couple of points here just to make it clear.. I don't think I have the time or the patience to address every sentence he has spewed out.
If you have to be explained how neighboring countries are not the exact mirror image of each other in every aspect, please wear a tin foil hat and proceed to live in a dumpster. Policy differences, though mostly unknown to outsiders, can cause huge social differences: e.g. US & Canada are culturally very similar but no Canadian ever had to mortgage their house or spend their life's savings on an unforeseen medical problem. Now if neighboring countries were exact mirror images this difference should not exist, right? So the cray man says that Finns have the best education in math. Hence, the chinese are cheating. Interestingly enough he does not address why US & Canada have a higher score then.Alright, my capacity for dealing with the crazies has exhausted for the day... peace out..
You can't address it because there is an inexplicable gap in the scores which only explanation is cheating.
Japan is hand downs the top MAJOR Asian country in terms of economics and education, they have so many inventions, and very good schools. South Korea would be a close second. Vietnam and China are very far back, these are not developed countries, despite the stereotype less than 5% of Chinese people even have a bachelors degree. Vietname is a very poor country. Its education system doesn't hold a candle to a modern 1st world educated nation like Japan. There are gross inconsistencies between the actual scores and education systems. You'll have Vietnam outscoring Japan, that would be like Guatemala outscoring America.
Your analogy is inaccurate, medical bankruptcies are one of the 10 leading causes of bankruptcy in Canada. Particularly because the medications are expensive and because not being able to work from serious medical conditions and Canadians often end up travelling abroad and spending all their money to try to save their life because the government provides limited standardized care. Your analogy was inaccurate so your claim of mirror image is not even accurate. And the USA and canada are not even good comparisons here. Both are modern first world nations. You are comparing a 3rd world nation where people still deficate in the forest like Vietnam or a country like China where less than 5% of people have degrees to a modern first world nation like Japan. And of course there is no explanation for why Vietnam outperforms its neighbours with the same population so substantially.
Whereas these test are written with a North American bias it is certainly understandable why a Canadian or American would outperform a Finn, it is not explainable why a Chinese would outperform a Korea or Jap who has much better understanding of that culture and better education. Strangely, a new report is out showing how Chiense foreign students are typically C students once they get to America, simply bolstering the proof these are not testing geniuses but cheaters.
There are other factors as well that play into this. One is that few indian and asian applicants are shooting for lower-ranked or part-time MBA programs, many of which have more lax requirements. In the United States, the average prep times are much lower because individuals aren't necessarily gunning for top MBAs, whereas this is much more likely from an international candidate.
On a personal note, if an individual receives admissions to a school over me because they did things in a dishonest way, I feel nothing but pity for that individual. I can't imagine a greater curse than to be morally bankrupt.
MBA_Junkie Wouldn't it be pretty obvious why Fins score lower? They may be more educated in math but that's half the exam....... and they aren't an English speaking nation...
what makes you think that every finnish person takes the GMAT - and hence is truly representative of the general population's skills? A more reasonable assumption is that only the best of the best (by Finnish standards, mind you) take the GMAT - i.e. people who would have a high probability of acing it. Isn't that representative of how people behave? If you have all C's and D's all the way from kindergarten to high school, my guess would be that you would not be applying to Harvard undergrad.
Well, @mba_junkie, these are some of the most racist (advanced) kids of the world. They have awesome English comprehension skills which lead to them cribbing about people from Asia scoring high on the GMAT. Its all very laughable how these nuts are cribbing about Indians. The most joyous part is this scumbag above claiming Indians outscoring them EVEN in verbal ability EVEN as they are non-native speakers. ROFL!!
Cribbing means copying in English. I can't tell if you're fucking with me or testing me.
I would recommend these assholes to listen to Obama speech about how Americans should learn from Indians and Chinese on commitment to studies. They have grown to be so egoistic about their supposedly good English skills that they feel nobody else could ever beat them at their own game. And, wat a wonderful childhood they have had. I never knew parents in NYC teach their kids how to be racist and be violent towards people of other race rather than spending time on their education. It feels so good at their jealousy towards us. LOL!
Seems to be an interesting book, this one:- http://www.amazon.com/The-Cheating-Culture-Americans-Doing/dp/B003IWYK7G
Fuck the Verbal part, see the results of Quantitative Ability http://www.wsj.com/articles/on-b-school-test-americans-fail-to-measure-… And i can assure, no bloody American can beat us at Quant
blue89 Can we have a reasoned discussion without insults and straw man arguments? You seem to be missing the point.
@BobtheBaker Before asking me to stop abusing your American friend, mind your own tongue too! Look who started the shit. And be prepared to be dealt with in the same way as you would behave with others. I feel there are a plethora of posts above which attack the argument pretty well. How many times do I have to say that Asians are administered a regular dose of such standardized tests. Whats more to tell you than children here practising numerical word problems even while traveling on vacation with their parents. And let me assume that some of Indians or Chinese do cheat. Does this mean this should happen year after year, month after month? I mean if an Indian cant speak as well as a native, cant he even read and understand what's written? I believe GMAT tests time-management skills as well, and I believe that's exactly where Indians and Chinese score well. Since, they are always in that world of taking tests, practising problems, this is one area where Indians master the art of taking tests. Btw, I would recommend GMAC to send you and that another scumbag to invigilate tests in Asia personally. GMAT, CFA are such exams where proctors are very, very strict here and follow a no-nonsense approach. Everybody cant be labelled as corrupt!
I guess India's 'advanced' and 'far superior' educational system doesn't teach its students about proper argumentation/argumentative fallacies.
Guys, did you ever consider sth. like this. Asian usually do not have much money, so they just take the test if they are sure that they can reach their target score. Additionally, the high cost of the GMAT is also a motivator. Since the cost of the GMAT is pretty high for most of the people in Asia, they are more motivated to learn. Furthermore, in many Asian countries the cost is so high that just the upper class people can effort the cost. ------------Critical Reasoning (find out the conclusion yourself^^)
I actually did consider it, and here is why I dismissed it. Evidence. Such a group who can outscore the vast majority of reasonably intelligent Americans should have no problem at least GRADUATING, once getting in, after all if George Bush could graduate there is not much real reason why any reasonably intelligent person should fail. But this is what the statistics say:
"A study examining the lives of Chinese students abroad has revealed that one in four of those attending America's prestigious Ivy League universities will drop out before graduation. Language difficulties and a different education style were cited as the biggest factors influencing the massive drop-out rate; typically, the Ivy Leagues have extremely high (around 95%) retention rates. A similar headline broke several years ago when it was revealed that a staggering 44% of Korean Ivy League students dropped out before graduation. While China's stats aren't quite as high, they are still garnering a lot of attention, as South China Morning Post reports:"
Further another study showed the Chinese student over 60% had just C averages.
In other words, China is not sending us their genius population, they aren't sending us their whizz kids and their bright rich upper class layers. They are sending us probably upper class well off rich kids who cheat the system and drop out because they do not have the intelligence. I wish China was sending us their whizz kids, but they aren't in general. If 25% of the Chinese students scoring in the top 5% of Standardize testing world wide and 44% of the Koreans cannot even do a better job than George Bush or all the other unqualified well connected people, it tells you something. These people are just not that smart.
"Chinese students regularly rank among the best performing in the world, but that’s not always the case when they enroll in US schools. As many as 8,000 Chinese students in the US, were kicked out of their universities last year, according to the Pennsylvania-based education consultancy WholeRen. In 81% of 1,657 cases studied by WholeRen, the reason for expulsion was poor academic performance or cheating, according to a white paper released by the company."
"“Chinese students used to be considered top-notch, but over the past five years their image has changed completely—wealthy kids who cheat,” Chen, chief development officer at WholeRen, told the Wall Street Journal. According to Chen, past generations of Chinese students were poorer and relied on their grades and scholarships to get into universities abroad, but now these students are often wealthy Chinese who weren’t able to get admitted to a good school at home."
"When administrators of China’s notorious college entrance exam, the gaokao, tried to crack down on cheating last year, hundreds of parents rioted, reportedly yelling, “We want fairness. There is no fairness if you do not let us cheat.” This week, 15 Chinese nationals were caught trying to scam standardized tests like the SAT and the GRE."
I can imagine Americans rioting over alot of dumb things like a sport team losing, but middle aged parents rioting because the government won't let them cheat is basically unfathomable in America. No fairness if you don't let Chinese people cheat? This is what the PARENTS say openly. What do you think the kids are doing?
@Esuric..Buddy, I have far better things to do than to keep engaging on a discussion which is never going to end. This is because no amount of discussion would be enough to cool down your hard feelings towards Asians. Anyways, never mind my 'belligerent rants' which are quite natural in the face of such insults directed at us for a wrong-doing of some immoral jokers. I know how a few incidents can cause harm to the image of the entire country. But, that does not mean, that most of us cheat. I can only suggest you to write to GMAC and make the system even more stricter in this so-labelled corrupt country of ours. I would be more than happy if a few nuts who may try and cheat can be caught. Btw, I can assure you that 99.99% don't cheat and get high scores solely due to their hard work, which should not be undermined in the manner you are doing.
Anyways, wish you all the very best in your life and a stellar career ahead!
I'm not here to argue with you. I'm here to ask questions and to figure stuff out. Statistically, something odd is going on.
I will say that as a native speaker, verbal does not test your native ability. Some of the correct sentence correction answers would never be used in conversation.
Newsflash bro. GMAT verbal tests your knowledge of proper written English grammar, not how they should be used in daily conversations. If you are struggling with sentence correction, I highly recommend Manhattan GMAT's sc guide.
Here is my take. I doubt there could be rampant cheating on the GMAT anywhere in the world with CCTV and all. I may be wrong but I believe that the vast majority of Indians taking the GMAT are the smartest (and wealthier) ones and this is not the case for US citizens.
As someone from Africa, I can attest to how much work, time and effort "Internationals" put into exams. I am not sure how it is in Asia but the educational system here teaches you to memorise a ridiculous amount of information. That coupled with hundreds of hours of practice explains high scores.
On the other hand, for anyone who follows gmatclub, GMAC recently cancelled scores of a shit ton of Indians. There might have been a few bad eggs but defining a whole population because of a few makes no sense (Brady/MBAGRAD15 I am talking to you)
As someone starting at a top MBA program this fall, it is surprising to hear Asians (or whoever) cheat during bschool. I thought academics were a joke and didnt really matter in the grand scheme of things. What am I missing here?
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