So...how are you liking those tax cuts so far (lol)
The majority of taxes haven't been filed and refunds haven't even been issued yet, but prices across many sectors have already started going up (gas, Disney, housing, food, liquor, entertainment...and much more to follow)...
The only prices that have lowered are in the stock market due to the Dow volatility...encouraging investors to buy in at low prices.
Enjoy those "tax cuts" guys (lol), it will only go right back into corporate profit via inflated prices and investment.
Wow, sooo....how about that infrastructure plan?!
LOL. Enjoy your "tax cut" money guys. The cost of everything else is about to climb and our country is going to bury itself further in debt, REGARDLESS of trade deal negotiations and spending cuts.
Touche geniuses, touche.
You do understand that the refund for the 2017 tax year (the one you are filing now) will be unaffected by the new law correct? I do like that my withholdings have gone down. Basically a small raise for free.
Did you not read the very first sentence of the post?
I haven't been a member here very long, but I question the integrity and quality of the members on this forum. The discussion regarding taxes and economic outlook is extremely subpar.
Not one person can properly address any argument before throwing monkey shits and random insults.
What a joke WSO. Talk about bottom of the barrel.
idk man ask my accountant that shit's not my job
full disclosure: not a fan of Trump, I hate the lack of fiscal conservatism in washington today, so I would've structured every piece of legislation differently if I were in charge.
that being said, from the standpoint of an investor and not a taxpayer, I'm pretty optimistic.
the bad:
the good:
the ugly:
Expect a hike in state and local taxes.
While we might receive an ever so slightly cut in federal taxes, in order to fund infrastructure projects and other federal spending cuts, the funding will be shifted from a federal to the state and local level.
Just watch and keep an eye on those property tax bills guys...many might think they are catching a break and getting more money in their pocket...that can't be further from the truth.
As a rough example...if gas prices alone go up by $0.50 per gallon. This will cost an average commuter what...an extra $20 per month (being conservative) which adds up to an extra $240 per year...that's JUST in regards to gas.
State taxes will go UP Local taxes will go UP Property tax UP Utility bills UP Gas/Fuel UP Rent UP Groceries UP Cable UP Subscription/Membership Fees UP Entertainment UP Dining out UP
I'm not sure I understand your line of thinking. yes, I agree the items you mentioned should increase because of inflation, but I don't see what that has to do with raising state and local taxes.
State and local income taxes will not see a hike if anythig they will fall due to having to be competitive. States can no longer step to the front of the line to collect their taxes first while claiming "we pay in more than we get" nonsense. The only reason state and local income taxes ever existed was becuase the feds let people write it off.
Whoa, people aren't getting $1,000 raises. Some companies gave out one time $1,000 bonuses to employees. Others followed companies like Starbucks that decided to implement a plan towards a $15 minimum wage a few years ago. All in all, low wage workers are getting maybe $20MM of the hundreds of billions being saved from this tax cut. Just pointing that out.
What that means is, inflation pressures are there, but that's mostly from the expectation that wages will start to rise as the expansion continues, capex increases, and thus, wages increase. Inflationary pressures are here, but, it's mostly driven by energy prices. And energy prices are very politically driven.
you're right, semantic oversight on my part, my b. the point still remains: this will put pressure on wages and help lead to higher inflation, I'm not saying that employees are sharing anywhere near equally in the tax savings, and if I did infer that please point it out and I'll edit that out of my post.
I don’t mind my extra $2k a year post tax (lol)
Your "extra $2,000" is just an illusion. It will be going right back to corporate profits and investment in the form of artificially inflated prices. Sorry, but in reality you won't be any richer than compared to previous year so don't plan on spending or going on any extra vacations. Your best bet would be to save.
Yessir! Save indeed. I’m invested in the market so let them evil corporate profits rise baby!!!
BB,
Don't confuse facts with fallacies that the left-wing lunatics want you to espouse. You don't realize by now that the $2k you are getting in extra money every year is nothing more than "crumbs"? Me thinkst the OP must have been a Pelosi/schumer mole. Who else could have come up with such tripe!
And for the OP, would love to engage you on your "1000 points of light" that should be shining so brightly today! Please, allow me the opportunity! I relish the chance
You've really gone off the deep end, haven't you? What is it exactly you'd like to discuss?
How about the fact that if corporate tax rates are going to be cut, we should see that benefit trickle down to the prices of goods right? Less tax expense should mean cheaper raw material and cheaper price of products correct?
LOL do me a favor and let me know when that happens because what we are going to see over the course of this year and the years to come are artificially inflated prices across the board.
There is no more "only time will tell" when it comes to Trump. We are already seeing the results and it will only get worse.
Okay NUTRINO, I had a post w/drawn from the thread, so I will be much more kind and gentle this time.
Should you choose to engage me in an exchange of facts, figures, backup, etc. the offer remains open indefinitely. That will give you plenty of times to compile your counterpoint. I will still be ready and waiting to discuss specific issues, with names, dates, etc.
Until then
Haha right! If $2k is crumbs then I fucking love me some crumbs. Looks like I have $2k more in crumbs to put to work in the market!!! Let them evil corporations make that bread!!!
Out of curiosity, how old are your neutrino? oh, excuse me, _CFO?
Sounds like you have decades of experience with these matters. Perfect forum for you, it would seem.
Eleventy three.
perfectly mature answer. So, again, please regale me with your superior intellect on the Trump/Clinton campaign, the myriad lies and coverups that were perpetrated between Loretta Lynch, slick willie and Hillary, Abedein, Benghazi, Darfur, whitewater, Lewinsky, flowers, ... need I go on. Still ready and waiting for your onslaught.
You get ready and we will have a "good-natured" discussion about our disagreements. Personally, I'm champing at the bit!
Im weak sauce with a side of apple sauce
In a completely different point putting LOL in everythig you say doesn't make you any more correct or even funny for that matter.
Lol
I feel dumber for having read this post.
That's likely because you require data and statistics as "proof" in order for something to be true or make sense to you. But what you don't realize is how easily data and statistics can be manipulated. That's why I don't use it much when sharing perspectives.
Any low level monkey can look at data and interpret/analyze it. But if you are unable to see past the data then you won't be able to see the big picture.
That's why large organizations not only have C-suite and management, but board of directors and higher level oversight as well.
Well, surprise surprise.
Imagine that, I'm right again.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/cisco-returns-to-growth-after-two-year-sal…
Hello again my friends. Those of you who MS'ed me in this thread, check out this video. Everything in this video exactly echoes my previous posts on this topic.
Think the economy is doing well? Thank again, it's just an illusion.
I missed this thread when it came out. @Neutrino_CFO", your first mistake was bringing economics to a finance forum. Most of the people here couldn't figure out a simple linear regression in college, and much less can they do any kind of critical thinking on the economy. To most people here, economics is like a financial model wherein you pull a couple of levers and some expected reaction occurs. Stochastic-anything isn't part of the common vernacular here. As a matter of fact, someone reading this post was probably thinking to reply with "what does that have to do with it" until they read this line.
Given that we do live in a stochastic world, let what will happen, happen. If people here try to explain it away (as those sufferers of Dunning Kruger are wont to do), let them. If you truly have an opinion that is more correct than that of most, put it to the best use you can. That's how I learned to cope with the current cycle of politically-induced mass stupidity: watch people walk into their mistakes, take advantage of it, and just ride the wave. You earned it.
Good point. I enjoyed the discussion overall. Could have done without the insults going back and forth, but it was still fun.
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