Super liberal friends that shit on finance
Anyone have any of those? I feel embarrassed mentioning even possibly going into finance around them since they judge the crap out of you. As if going into IB immediately makes you an immoral one percenter that is ruining the integrity of our nation.
Of course. They're pretty retarded. Just think about how net net your life will be much better than most of those people, and it should make you feel a lot better.
Why do you have super liberal friends? That is your first mistake. Your second is giving a shit what they say.
OP probably needs them to give him employee discounts at Starbucks or something
Haha so true. I pass a couple super liberal people every day. Always asking me for change and shit, real annoying.
I will never understand people being ashamed of being dominant. The world is upside down. Banking is a great paying job, something that pays much more than just about every other right out of college degree. Embrace the free market, greedy capitalist in you.
Don't rely on your friends to validate your career choices. Certainly not when they have no idea what they're talking about.
At the same time, don't judge theirs too harshly either or you'll play right into the conceited-banker stereotype.
sack up who cares?
Why do you hang around people who make you feel shitty about who you are and what you aspire to? Those don't sound like friends to me.
punch them in the pussy
"If they hate then let em hate and watch the money pile up."
OP, you sound like a whiny bitch
FWIW -- the vast majority of people at my fund are "super liberal." There are people / companies of all types in this industry.
If they're really your friends, tell them they're being dumbasses. If they're not really your friends, just nod your head and say "you make very valid points and I respect your opinion."
I know a girl like this. I was with her once a couple of weeks ago and we were talking politics. She told me she was a democrat because her grandfather had given a lot of money to charity when he died, and she thought that was the right thing to do. Now, it is somewhat important to note that this girl has a humungous fucking trust fund, and her dad (who had built a number of businesses on his own) was considering leaving their home country (France) because of increased taxes, and she was in full support of his doing this. Needless to say, talking to her was like wanting to punch myself in the face, and the topic quickly changed to Kim Kardashians pregnancy or some other inane shit like that.
So, did you fuck her?
Are you going to be a gold digger?
Stop being a pussy.
Ant: No, shes a friend of the girlfriend.
MOTB: Wouldn't be worth it.
I'm going to stop talking with most of my current friends after I get a job in IBD.
Not something to be proud of...
Yeah I try not to let it get to me. I respect their opinions, change the topic to shrooms blah blah. It just bugs me how much of a stigma finance has in the general public.
1.) Finance has a stigma for plenty of reasons (some legitimate, some not)
2.) Who gives a shit. Plenty of people will dislike things you do. Ignore it and stay focused on the task at hand. You are not a special snowflake simply because you have a good job. Keep that in mind and you'll likely do well
3.) There are plenty of liberals in finance...and conservatives, too...and moderates...you'd be surprised and should never assume that colleagues and other industry folks hold any sort of views
Agree, Agree, and Agree
Finance does have its stigma and some of them are understandable. I'm not sure if you guys watch American Greed, about 90% of the episodes are financiers ripping off investors. To an outsider, it is pretty easy to get the wrong perception.
I have an older brother who studied architecture (top 20 school), he thought most guys working in finance were crooks. A lot of his reasons for believing so were very valid, but the more we spoke, the more he understood the other aspect of finance and there is more to it than just what is shown on tv.
One motto that I stick by, "educate the ignorant until he/she is enlighten"
I'd also add that it's important to live by a good moral code. If one wants to help end the stigma, they need to be a part of the solution. In part, that comes with admitting some of the errors made by the financial services industry. Not that finance was alone in blowing up the global economy, but it's important to understand the role it played (along with the role of the gov't and the average joe who spent way more than he could afford to.)
Only if we all take responsibility for our actions and hold our peers accountable can we make things better for everyone going forward.
never be friends with marxists/socialists
most of them are incredibly stupid, despite having multiple masters degrees in gay studies,feminism, social sciences, etc...i honestly can't stand these douche bags.
They add NO VALUE to society either!! fuck them.
I seriously considered going to #OWS to beat up some of those punks.
Nothing helped me get through those long nights working on Strategic Alternative pitch books more than knowing that my actions added immense value to society.
::rolls eyes::
I would say a sizable minority of those who work in finance are not just liberal but ultra mega left-wing. Some of the most left-wing people I know work in finance. At the end of the day, people like stuff, and stuff is purchased with money. This is why the most left-wing d-bag you'll ever meet might drive an SUV, have an iPhone and iPad, wear expensive clothing, and take several vacations each year. Next time a hippie liberal d-bag gives you grief for your desire to work in finance, ask them to update their thoughts about you on their iPhone.
Democrat or Republican, if you associate yourself with the banker crowd, you shouldn't have any issues. It's when you carry on conversations with sorority girls when it's time to troll.
If you care about what other people think about you, you'll be limited by what you can accomplish in life.
Do what you want to do. If they are going to try and piss on you for doing investment banking, ask them to explain why it is bad.
They won't even know what Banking is.
Girlfriend is super liberal. But she also realizes that this "finance-thing" I'm doing is paying for her $100+ dinner bills. I really don't know her actual stance on the industry.
At least she supports switching to a flat-tax / prebate structure. And hates the Canadian healthcare system. So there's hope.
With the people I talk to, it is more "Investment banks caused the crisis" than calling for outright redistribution. I will generally just let that slide. Yes, banks had a role. But they sure didn't do it alone.
No, they didn't. They had plenty of help from:
--AIG --Fannie / Freddie --Subprime mortgage lenders --Ratings Agencies --Federal Reserve --People borrowing beyond their means
It is arguable, however, that products created by the banks and AIG exacerbated the problem and drove sub-prime lending into a frenzy in order to fuel growth in "AAA" rated CDO products.
I find, generally, that the most informed people take issue with the fact that banks came out bigger than ever before and are implicitly guaranteed by the government while at the same time the average joe is sucking wind, often through no fault of his own. To some degree, this perception is reality.
You come across as a crybaby seeking reassurance from the WSO crowd with regards to your potential future job.
1) Who cares? 2) Pick your battles 3) Grow a pair
chill out tough guy
Super liberals are the scum of this country. Why do you give a f#ck what they think or say?
Who gives a shit? Your liberal friennds are a bunch of draft dodging pussies.
Didn't know Cheney and Ted Nugent were liberals.
If Lloyd Blankfein is so rich he uses dollar bills as toilet paper, does that mean he shits on finance?
Most likely jealous friends. You can quit or ignore them.
It's slightly different if your parents/relatives think the same way though. You probably have to explain it to them but they wouldn't get it anyway.
There are two different variants of these 'friends'.
Some do have some legitimate backing. One of my friends makes a frequent show of pointing out that while investment banks "help" companies access capital and all that jazz, as standalone institutions they're more or less just re-allocating money and not directly advancing society by any means. And yeah, to a large extent banks are middle-men that help reduce transaction costs and bridge the maturity/liquidity mismatch due to their large size/economies of scale. Keep in mind this guy is a mechanical engineer whose dream is to somehow make nuclear fusion work. He'll say frequently that Cliff Asness and James Simons are smart guys, but that he respects what Elon Musk is trying to do more. And whether you like it or not, there is an argument to be made that there are plenty of really intelligent people on the street who society could be better served by if they applied their talents in physics, medicine, scientific research, building companies, etc. But money (in Wall Street's case - it's a more of a risk averse man's way to getting a decent payday) talks.
Then there's the other "friend" who really doesn't know anything about finance whatsoever, and when he criticizes Wall Street it's less about criticizing the nature of the work done, than it is criticizing the desire to make money. I'm not sure where the belief that accumulating wealth was a sin came from - because I grew up in Texas and the first time I was ever really exposed to this belief system was when i started college in the Northeast. I speak to this dude less and less.
The liberal friends who criticize working on Wall Street because they have problems with people accumulating wealth and making money need to get over themselves, America's a capitalist society (as is the larger world to a large extent), and no other system works as well. But there is something to be said for people who argue that perhaps too much intellectual talent goes to Wall Street rather than go into areas which could accelerate society's technological development. Either way, you should keep a diverse circle of friends, it pays to hear different opinions.
so funny how kids who don't have job in the industry posting here like they're being persecuted when they're unlikely to ever land a job
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I am highly conservative and I think finance industry needs a few revisions.
1) Get rid of the carried interest loophole. That's fucking stupid. 2) A financial transaction tax (Tobin) or a quote stuffing tax. 3) Requiring the banks (ie: bank shareholders) to fully reimburse the AIG bailout if AIG can't do it. That was merely a GS payoff.
Mainly, I think it's highly unproductive for our economy to continually funnel the best and brightest of our country into an industry that is primarily a zero sum game.
yeah that financial transaction tax will be fucking great for the markets liquidity
Everyone is entitled to their opinion I suppose.
But it's annoying when you scroll though some comments on DealBook articles and find some liberal nutjob ranting about finance blah blah blah. Why are they even reading DealBook? Seriously.
dude you're soft as shit.
I have always wondered this. The same goes for dealbreaker and clusterstock, but it's even more surprising - how the hell do they even find those websites if they don't work/know people who work in finance?? At least DealBook gets traffic from normal NYTimes readersJust because you don't support something doesn't mean you can't be interested in it. I'm not a huge fan of human massacres but still stay abreast of what's going on in Syria.
There will always be uber-twat haters who just hate because, well because hatin is what they like doin'.
However, I think the average joe isn't too thrilled that the banks have such a strong hold on the government, got bailed out and then paid huge bonuses, etc etc.
Remember - banks (who influenced the rating agencies) got bailed out while the public got (to quote OWS) got sold out.
By the way - I think the OWS rage was good, though unbelievably misguided.
Go study and embrace your inner Machiavelli and start living like a prince. Look at it this way at least your learning something where as your friends are finger painting at a college level.
"Ruining the integrity of our nation" yet they have no problem crushing an unborn baby's skull with a forceps and then vacuuming its remains out.
Fuck that noise. Get your own and don't worry about what anyone else thinks.
stillborn abortions are illegal. nobody believes in them.
Didn't Obama oppose a bill in Illinois that would have required medical care for children born alive that survived abortion attempts? As someone who is pro-choice on abortion, I found that (Obama's position) to be the most morally repugnant stance since being pro-slavery.
stop having stupid friends
Amazing how an abortion debate can be born [pun intended] out of anything. Let's steer this back towards those leftist nutjobs who don't understand economics and financial markets.
My only point was that Obama is an incredibly wicked human being, with no respect for either the rule of law or even for human life--like, ya know, BORN and LIVING human life.
How would a baby ever survive an abortion attempt? Given that it has to be before the second trimester (I believe) in nearly all cases?
And I'm pretty sure a baby cannot survive a still born abortion, given that their skulls are crushed.
Just wondering what the details of this bill are.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/did-obama-vote-to…
How in the hell is abortion being discussed in this thread. What the hell is going on around here?
I've found that the group of friends I hang out with has changed over the years (most people's do). The people I choose to hang out with the most now all have similar interests / are in similar places in life.
For instance, I'm in a serious relationship and work in PE. I have less in common with college friends who are single and just want to hit the bars up searching for girls (even if they also work in finance) than I do with other people who are in the same stage in life. So yeah, other couples essentially where at least one of them works in finance.
It's tough to keep friendships together when the reason you were so close / kept you bonded (i.e. similar interests, etc.) isn't really there anymore.
So no, I don't really hang out with liberal people who are going to shit on finance because I don't have much in common with them and don't surround myself with them.
liberal and finance are not mutually exclusive...far from it actually
you should also probably diversify your group of friends a bit or your world view will just continue to contract
My experience in school was that a surprising number of students within the business school were actual liberal or at least left leaning. Obviously most kids no a college campus are going to be liberal but within Wharton it was a bit of a shock, though I'd guess that the number of those who went into banking were probably more conservative than liberal.
But even now on the outside, a good number of my friends are liberal and anti-Wall Street or at least only know as much about finance as the media tells them, so I get the annoying "how much money have you stolen this year" bullshit from stupid uncles and what not from time to time. But I'll tell you what's even worse than the super liberal friends that shit on finance are the pseudo-conservative third-tier business school jackass wannabes that treat you like you're a higher species because of your job. The quickest way to make me hate you is constantly asking me about my job when I'm trying to relax. At least the liberal tards usually insult once and drop it or just won't acknowledge anything career-related around me.
My response would be, "I don't know. How much money have you stolen from tax payers this year?"
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