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Apr 6, 2012

McCombs

Apr 6, 2012

McCombs

Apr 7, 2012

Hands down McCombs. It's free and you'll have better opportunities. You'll be able to get internships during your freshman/sophomore summers while living at home.

Apr 7, 2012

Hands down McCombs...

Apr 7, 2012

You'll have plentiful opportunities at McCombs whether you decide on IB or not

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Apr 7, 2012

Definitely go with ND if you liked it better. I had a family member go there and every BB recruits there heavily now. Just this year they've got 10 FT going to BAML, 7 to Goldman, 7 to CS, etc. Don't listen to most of the people on here who for some reason have the impression ND is not a top 20 school - it most certainly is (just look at U.S. News and World Report, etc.) I have no idea what those above me are basing their decisions on. ND far and a way is MUCH more prestigious than Texas and their alumni network is second to none. Your job prospects will be much better with a Notre Dame degree and alumni network than a Texas one. This one is a no-brainer unless you're concerned about money.

As an aside, if you're going to school to break into banking some day and be successful, ND is #8 in the country for getting their students rich (compensation 10-20 years out of college). Do you see Texas on this list at all? I don't think so.

http://www.forbes.com/2008/07/30/college-salary-gr...
The bottom line though is that I hope you don't listen to anyone (including me) on this forum to make your mind up about school. Please talk to your family and friends about it and make sure the decision comes from you, not from opinionated Wallstreetoasis people. Good luck.

Apr 6, 2012
darknight12:

ND far and a way is MUCH more prestigious than Texas and their alumni network is second to none. Your job prospects will be much better with a Notre Dame degree and alumni network than a Texas one. This one is a no-brainer unless you're concerned about money.

this is so wrong its laughable , OP there is a reason not one person other than someone who appears to attend ND/ previously attended ND has recommended Mendoza over McCombs.

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Apr 7, 2012
BigBucks:
darknight12:

ND far and a way is MUCH more prestigious than Texas and their alumni network is second to none. Your job prospects will be much better with a Notre Dame degree and alumni network than a Texas one. This one is a no-brainer unless you're concerned about money.

this is so wrong its laughable , OP there is a reason not one person other than someone who appears to attend ND/ previously attended ND has recommended Mendoza over McCombs.

Didn't attend ND (although did have a family member attend and I've been there a few times). I'm one of those Irish Catholic sons of bitches, been a fan of the team and I notice that the school just doesn't get it's due respect on this forum.Too many think it's just a regional midwest Irish Catholic school and that's not the case. Look, Texas just isn't even in the same vein as ND. Let's look at this objectively. Look at U.S. News and World Report (which everyone here seems to love since they're rankings whores with just about everything) if you really distrust all of the Bloomberg Businessweek subcomponets (yes I am aware no one here likes their rankings but they compile them from subcompents and weight "ethics" etc into it). Notre Dame is #19 according to U.S. News and World Report - in the same vein as Vandy, ahead of Georgetown, Berkeley, Michigan, etc. Texas clocks in at #45. That's not prestigious. Not even CLOSE to ND. Now I also know that it ranks the school in general, but that gives you an idea of the "prestigious" factor of one over another. Let's look at from the perspective of who actually attends these schools.

Middle 50% of SAT scores at ND:
Reading: 660-750
Math: 680-770
Writing: 650-740

Middle 50% of SAT scores at Texas at Austin:
Reading: 540-670
Math: 580-710
Writing:540-680

This isn't even close. Frankly, the scores at Texas are extremely unimpressive. The top 25% at Texas is roughly the start of the middle 50% at ND. Now I know that this doesn't correlate with the value of the B-school in particular, but it goes to show you the selectivity of a school like that. Texas is a large state school and should be thought of that way. The type of student who attends Texas simply on average isn't of the same caliber as the type of kid who attends ND, it's as simple as that.

Finally, the reason ND has so many Big 4 positions is because a sizable chunk of their students major in accounting or consulting. All of the BBs recruit there. I don't believe for a second that undergrads at Texas have anywhere near the same recruitment opportunities as Mendoza. In fact, if you're going to school to start a career and make money, ND ranks #8 in the nation for that 10-20 years out of college. Texas isn't even on the list. No surprise because it's a large state school, not a top 20 school.
http://www.forbes.com/2008/07/30/college-salary-gr...
And I've said this before, McCombs' GRADUATE business school is miles ahead of Mendoza's. I'm not saying you won't get a great education at Texas, and the money definitely is a factor that would push you toward attending if it's an issue for you, but you have to have some sort of brain problem to even try to say that Texas is anywhere as near prestigious as Notre Dame.

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Apr 7, 2012

Dude. Full ride to mccombs or 25k for ND? Mccombs hands down. Plus you'll have a LOT more fun at mccombs than you ever would at nd

I didn't say it was your fault, I said I was blaming you.

Apr 7, 2012

McCombs is solid, plus your getting a full ride, nearly a no-brainer.

"It's outrageous, egregious, preposterous. "

Apr 7, 2012

Also note that Mendoza is 7th in academic quality rank (tied with UVA and Sloan), whereas McCombs ranks 45th. Yes, 45th. I don't know how so many of you could possibly compare an undergraduate education from ND to that of Texas in the same breath. McCombs' Graduate business school is great (and MUCH better than Notre Dame's - their graduate programs are really still not nearly as good as their undergrad), but not close opportunity-wise to Mendoza for undergrad.

Apr 6, 2012

Its really not even close especially given the money difference, no matter what darknight says about some absurd ranking somewhere. McCombs will set you up with IB, and if you want one of Mendoza's Big 4 opportunities (their top employers) UT has the top MACC in the country (which you probably won't need, Big 4 is easy as heck from McCombs undergrad).

Apr 7, 2012

mccombs

Apr 7, 2012

McCombs

Apr 6, 2012

rofl this guy is talking about SAT scores, dude give it up, UT's SAT scores are deflated because of the auto top10 % rule that admits all Texas residents in top 10% if they apply. I mean you would think if your view had some merit ONE other poster, just ONE, would agree with you. Yes, UT grads have the same (if not better opps than Mendoza), also UT is one of the top accounting schools in the nation (most Big 4 partners of any UNi I believe) yet their top employers are not Big 4, u know why? because McCombs is better than Mendoza for IB/Consulting and Corporate finance. I don't care about your outdated earnings list that is comparing private schools to public (sheer numbers would tip the scale in private schools favor), a more indicative list would compare business students.

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Apr 7, 2012

^ All the stats and rankings you listed are totally irrelevant. UT is a state school with 50,000 kids, of course average SAT scores will be lower there. If this kid is good enough to get a full ride to UT, he can probably get into the Business Honors Program of which the class of 2012 had an average SAT of 1480 and average class rank of 2.1% (http://www.mccombs.utexas.edu/BHP/Admissions/Class...). That's pretty damn impressive in my book.

This is not even a debate.

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Apr 7, 2012
JeffSkilling:

^ All the stats and rankings you listed are totally irrelevant. UT is a state school with 50,000 kids, of course average SAT scores will be lower there. If this kid is good enough to get a full ride to UT, he can probably get into the Business Honors Program of which the class of 2012 had an average SAT of 1480 and average class rank of 2.1% (http://www.mccombs.utexas.edu/BHP/Admissions/Class...). That's pretty damn impressive in my book.

This is not even a debate.

Dude, you're comparing apples and oranges. Notre Dame don't have an honors business program - they have an average of 574 students per class in Mendoza with an average SAT score of 1405, whereas Texas has an average enrollment of 1060 graduates per class. The McCombs BHP only has 112 students in the current class with average scores of 1472. That means that even at the supposedly very selective B-school, only 10% or 112 of the students who go there have MEAN SAT scores of 1472. In contrast, at Mendoza, the upper 25% of their class, or about 144 students, have MINIMUM SAT scores of 1480. So even though McCombs supposedly is better than Mendoza to begin with and even though the stats of the students in the BHP program are "pretty damn impressive," a greater number of absolute students (144 vs. 112) comprising a much greater percentage (25% vs. 10%) of a smaller business class to begin with (574 vs. 1060) have much better SAT scores in a standard B-school that students are able to freely enroll in than a B-school honors program that requires a special admissions process. Objectively, this should be even more damn impressive. I've said it before and the stats prove it - it goes without saying that the students who go to Mendoza are on average leaps and bounds ahead academically than those who go to McCombs, including the BHP. You were right - academically, this is not even a debate.

A sibling graduated from ND in 2010 so yes, I'm a fan of the school, but the Notre Dame brand and almost fanatical alumni network will get you much more recognition in life down the road than the Texas one. It's not just ND though - the fact of the matter is that unless you're a public ivy (UVA, Berkeley, etc), you simply can't compete with the reputation of a top 20 private school like Vandy/Georgetown, etc. Have a good Easter :)

Apr 7, 2012

McCombs is FREE! It has a great bschool program in addition to its business honors program, It's in Austin (> South Bend), the girls are 10x hotter than ND (yes I've visited both), and its placement in IB is very strong. I have lots of McComb buddies that went to Greenhill, UBS, Lazard, GS, CS, BAML, etc.

As a side note, Yes I am biased against ND as I've never had a great experience with any ND graduate. They are all generally arrogant dbags that try to justify how awesome their school is but I've never met one that had the chops to back up their arrogance. additionally, as someone who does analyst recruiting I've never had a good experience interviewing ND grads.

Apr 7, 2012

McCombs is FREE! It has a great bschool program in addition to its business honors program, It's in Austin (> South Bend), the girls are 10x hotter than ND (yes I've visited both), and its placement in IB is very strong. I have lots of McComb buddies that went to Greenhill, UBS, Lazard, GS, CS, BAML, etc.

As a side note, Yes I am biased against ND as I've never had a great experience with any ND graduate. They are all generally arrogant dbags that try to justify how awesome their school is but I've never met one that had the chops to back up their arrogance. additionally, as someone who does analyst recruiting I've never had a good experience interviewing ND grads.

Apr 7, 2012

McCombs is FREE! It has a great bschool program in addition to its business honors program, It's in Austin (> South Bend), the girls are 10x hotter than ND (yes I've visited both), and its placement in IB is very strong. I have lots of McComb buddies that went to Greenhill, UBS, Lazard, GS, CS, BAML, etc. Plus you don't have a bullshit curfew like you do at ND and you can actually bring women into your dorm room.

As a side note, Yes I am biased against ND as I've never had a great experience with any ND graduate. They are all generally arrogant dbags that try to justify how awesome their school is but I've never met one that had the chops to back up their arrogance. additionally, as someone who does analyst recruiting I've never had a good experience interviewing ND grads.

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Apr 7, 2012

This isn't even a discussion. McCombs for Zero Dollars.

If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses - Henry Ford

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Apr 8, 2012
superman:

McCombs for ZERO DOLLAR.
But it is unfair to say that ND sucks for investment banking-it is still a semi target.

As a current junior at ND, I'm not gonna weigh in on the discussion since 1) I go there and it's too obvious of a bias, and 2) everyone else has made up their mind and I don't want to get into an argument or anything. But I can say that we're not a semi-target anymore, we're positively a target. All of the bulge brackets recruit on campus here with the possible exception of Barclays, they may but I don't remember seeing them for OCR.

OP: here are the firms that recruit here - from the OCR this year - and the opportunities available.

BAML - IBD, S&T, and CM in NYC; IBD, S&T in Chicago
Citi - IBD, S&T, Corporate Banking, and Finance in NYC; IBD, S&T in Chicago
CS - IBD and S&T in NYC; IBD in Chicago
DB - IBD, S&T, and CM in NYC
GS - IBD, S&T, and PWM in NYC; PWM in Chicago
JPM - IBD and S&T in NYC; PWM in Chicago
MS - IBD and S&T in NYC
UBS - IBD and S&T in NYC

There are others, I've seen research for them too but these are the ones I vividly have seen and have friends working at. Most firms take three or four per division per location. I know this year we've got 9 going to Goldman, 10 or 11 to BAML, etc. Keep in mind too that there are only about 500 or so in Mendoza per class. I've interviewed with several of the firms and am working this summer at one of them. So at least I can clarify that if you do go to ND, you'll have these opportunities. They also have separate interviews for the different locations so you can choose where you're interested. Never heard of McCombs though (I'm from Florida) so I can't weigh in. But I have heard that our status changed within the past five years or so, ever since our b-school got more recognition. I know the bloomberg businessweek rankings aren't taken seriously here but they must have had some effect since so many firms are actively recruiting now. OP, if you'd like more info about the lifestyle of ND or what's different about it, feel free to PM me.

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Apr 8, 2012

McCombs

Every BB recruits there. Also it dominates Energy IB.

Lol at whoever brought up accounting. McCombs is better in accounting rankings and placement.

Also McCombs graduate sucks

Apr 6, 2012

No one cares about who is ahead academically, UT has better recruiting, that is the consensus, stop trying to argue otherwise.

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Apr 7, 2012
BigBucks:

No one cares about who is ahead academically, UT has better recruiting, that is the consensus, stop trying to argue otherwise.

Obviously they do care who's ahead academically since this is the biggest influence on the recruiting process. Consensus according to whom, wallsteetoasis bloggers, 85% of whom are either in undergrad right now, within their first five years of banking, or just people who use this site as a hobby? The same bloggers who constantly answer "no...." nonchalantly when people ask if ND is a target school (which CLEARLY it is since all BB recruit for FO positions)? Obviously people here don't have a clue what they're talking about.

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Apr 8, 2012

After discussing this with my family and many others I have decided to go ahead and attend the University of Texas for my undergrad education. Thanks for all the advice as well guys.

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Apr 7, 2012
enticingplague:

After discussing this with my family and many others I have decided to go ahead and attend the University of Texas for my undergrad education. Thanks for all the advice as well guys.

Congratulations and good luck! Make sure to make some room for fun as well (which no doubt I'm sure you will).

Apr 11, 2012
enticingplague:

After discussing this with my family and many others I have decided to go ahead and attend the University of Texas for my undergrad education. Thanks for all the advice as well guys.

You made the right choice man, good luck and have fun.

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Apr 6, 2012

you made the right decision, especially after considering location and cost.

Apr 8, 2012

Oh and I forgot to say. Hook 'Em \m/

Apr 8, 2012

Definitely made the right decision. Every BB recruits at McCombs for multiple front office positions, every elite boutique recruits at McCombs for Houston and many do for NY as well. F500 recruits at McCombs, as does every consulting firm and the Big-4. In fact, Big 4 recruiting here is INSANE. They wine and dine you for weeks and all rant about how McCombs is their top target school. Recruiting there is amazing, believe me. There's also the iMPA program (integrated MPA) which is number on in the country, the finance major is top 5, BHP is obviously great, and ATX is way fun.

If it was ND versus UT, ND is better. McCombs however, blows Mendoza out of the water.

I'm clearly biased though.

Apr 8, 2012
superman:

I beg to differ
McCombs > ND in OP's case (with the money)
McCombs=ND in IBD recruitment without the money involved.
ND is also a main target for Big 4's recruitment in the MidWest.
On a side note, ND is also a very up and coming school, evidently in the growth of Street's alumni numbers in the past few years.

I will agree with all of this.

Also OP, try to get into the McCombs honors program.

Apr 8, 2012

Glad you made a decision, OP. As far as the Mendoza discussion, again I'm at ND, I will say I agree with darknight12 in that I'm kinda surprised more members here don't hold Mendoza UG in higher esteem and they don't recognize that all the BB firms now recruit heavily here. Ever since about 2007 or so I've been told we've been doing very well. It seems that on this forum, the Bloomberg/Businessweek rankings actually damaged our reputation since everyone dislikes them so much. It seems we're not even "up and coming" anymore, we're already there in terms of recruitment for FO positions. To be honest, most people at ND, including me, never would have thought that schools like Michigan would possibly be recruited more heavily than we are. Maybe it has to do with the fact that their class is so much larger to begin with, maybe they aren't recruited as much, or maybe there is a good reason and we're just mistaken. But I am surprised that in almost every list of target schools, tier 1,2,3 schools, etc., no one ever lists ND, even in tier 3, and people actually go out of their way to proclaim that we're not in fact a target. I can't think of any other schools that get excluded like that. But maybe I'm missing something.

Apr 8, 2012

To be honest, most people at ND, including me, never would have thought that schools like Michigan would possibly be recruited more heavily than we are. Maybe it has to do with the fact that their class is so much larger to begin with, maybe they aren't recruited as much, or maybe there is a good reason and we're just mistaken. But I am surprised that in almost every list of target schools, tier 1,2,3 schools, etc., no one ever lists ND, even in tier 3, and people actually go out of their way to proclaim that we're not in fact a target. I can't think of any other schools that get excluded like that. But maybe I'm missing something.

Perhaps, there is a carefully crafted conspiracy against ND, and most people on WSO are also part of it. Or perhaps you and your classmates at ND are biased and just dead wrong about your status compared to other schools and how people perceive your school.

Personally, after the Ivies and and the non-Ivy top 15-16 schools, I'd take top publics such as UCB, UVA, UCLA or UM any day over most privates in the 15-25 range, especially if we're talking business (or even engineering) programs. School perception and US News rankings are not the same thing.

Apr 8, 2012
N.R.G.:

To be honest, most people at ND, including me, never would have thought that schools like Michigan would possibly be recruited more heavily than we are. Maybe it has to do with the fact that their class is so much larger to begin with, maybe they aren't recruited as much, or maybe there is a good reason and we're just mistaken. But I am surprised that in almost every list of target schools, tier 1,2,3 schools, etc., no one ever lists ND, even in tier 3, and people actually go out of their way to proclaim that we're not in fact a target. I can't think of any other schools that get excluded like that. But maybe I'm missing something.

Perhaps, there is a carefully crafted conspiracy against ND, and most people on WSO are also part of it. Or perhaps you and your classmates at ND are biased and just dead wrong about your status compared to other schools and how people perceive your school.

Personally, after the Ivies and and the non-Ivy top 15-16 schools, I'd take top publics such as UCB, UVA, UCLA or UM any day over most privates in the 15-25 range, especially if we're talking business (or even engineering) programs. School perception and US News rankings are not the same thing.

I didn't say there was some conspiracy and I don't think that's the case, what I'm saying though is that all the BB firms recruit here heavily now and it just seems strange that almost no one here recognizes the fact that we're a target school at all. So clearly I'm not wrong, the people who exclude us on all target lists and even go out of their way to state that we're not even a third-tier target are. Now granted it's obvious that schools like Wharton have significantly bigger analyst classes than we do and I'm not arguing otherwise (and again, I'm not arguing that ND is a tier 1 target), but like I said earlier, we have 8-11 or so FT analysts going to most BB firms (~3-4 in IBD, S&T each, and some in PWM), with some a few less that don't have PWM, and some more that have corporate banking, finance divisions, etc, meaning we have upwards of 50-60 students or so at least going FT BB when you combine NYC and other locations across divisions. When you consider that the typical graduating class at Mendoza has only 150 Finance majors, that signifies pretty significant recruiting in my opinion, almost all of the others going to either F500, MMs, buy-side firms like Bain Capital, graduate schools, or Big 4 consulting programs. That's why I'd argue that the average WSO user is dead wrong about their perception of ND recruiting when they don't attend and yet claim they know that companies don't recruit there.

And again I understand that how Wall Street recruits may not be correlated with rankings like U.S. News and World Report, but I'm not "dead wrong" about how the average person perceives Notre Dame or similar private schools - the vast majority of people in most professions consider a Vandy, ND, Georgetown, or Emory education to be much more prestigious than a Michigan or UCLA education. When you mention these private schools to people - they're usually impressed and you can see it in their reactions. This doesn't happen as much when you mention a school like Michigan, and the fact that so many WSO users think that it does signifies to me that they're too young and inexperienced to know what the actual perception of these privates' educations are among adults how valuable they are. The private graduates end up on average making significantly more money and influence later in life as well.

Apr 8, 2012

the vast majority of people in most professions consider a Vandy, ND, Georgetown, or Emory education to be much more prestigious than a Michigan or UCLA education. When you mention these private schools to people - they're usually impressed and you can see it in their reactions.

lol

What professions are we talking about exactly? Construction workers or secretaries in the midwest? Because I can not think of many professional schools at these privates that are on par with the ones at the top publics. Undergrad business - UCB, UM, and UVA are ahead of any of the privates you mentioned. Undergrad engineering - UCB and UM are top 10 - where is ND exactly? Law - UCB, UM and UVA are T14 - only Georgetown is in this group. Medicine - look at where UM and UCLA are in terms of reputation and then look at ND. Grad engineering - UCB, UM and Texas blow these privates out of the water. I don't exactly see in which professions the schools you mentioned dominate.

Apr 8, 2012
N.R.G.:

the vast majority of people in most professions consider a Vandy, ND, Georgetown, or Emory education to be much more prestigious than a Michigan or UCLA education. When you mention these private schools to people - they're usually impressed and you can see it in their reactions.

lol

What professions are we talking about exactly? Construction workers or secretaries in the midwest? Because I can not think of many professional schools at these privates that are on par with the ones at the top publics. Undergrad business - UCB, UM, and UVA are ahead of any of the privates you mentioned. Undergrad engineering - UCB and UM are top 10 - where is ND exactly? Law - UCB, UM and UVA are T14 - only Georgetown is in this group. Medicine - look at where UM and UCLA are in terms of reputation and then look at ND. Grad engineering - UCB, UM and Texas blow these privates out of the water. I don't exactly see in which professions the schools you mentioned dominate.

For one, you're discrediting yourself by reducing these private schools to good careers as "secretaries in the midwest." Don't be a fool. Second, you originally downplay rankings and place importance on "the reputation" of the school and state that the two are not related, but at the same time you cherry-pick particular rankings that show the state schools' individual programs on top, and you add to the absurdity by completely disregarding rankings that show these private schools nationally ahead of the public ones or show their individual programs on top. I'll give you that ND engineering and their graduate programs aren't as good as their peers' - their graduate programs are known to piggyback on the reputation of their UG, although they've been getting a little bit better lately. But how many 17 year old college students even have a damn clue what they want to do in the first place? The private schools like Vandy/ND/Gtown/Emory are known as national schools because they offer great liberal arts educations and alumni networks regardless of which particular program the student chooses - not because of one particular program that is a standout. They also draw students with a higher academic potential than all of the state schools you mention, just look at the SAT/ACT scores. The other indisputable fact of the matter is that graduates on average have much higher mid-life median incomes by going to these private schools than the public ones like Michigan, so all of this talk of individual programs is nonsense and irrelevant if the ultimate goal is to make money, which for most people it is.

This is way off track from what I was discussing in the first place. I didn't want to get into a discussion of "ND vs. this school" because it's an opinionated discussion that is pointless to argue. I was merely trying to point out the merits of ND in wall street recruiting and the fact that it's not often discussed here, not downplay another school. Instead, you mocked my post by sarcastically saying that I think there's some giant conspiracy. Further, you said that I was "dead wrong" about my school's reputation just because I pointed out that because ~50 of our 150 finance majors are going to FO BB FT positions and all the BB banks recruit at ND for internships and FT positions mainly in NYC (and some in Chicago as well), that ND should objectively be included in the broad list of what's considered a target school. That's the only point I was trying to make - that because all the BBs come to ND to recruit, on the list of 25 or so "target schools", ND should be included, which is almost never or rarely is.

Apr 8, 2012

It's a full ride - Take Mccombs.

Apr 8, 2012
Win:

It's a full ride - Take Mccombs.

OP made the decision - he is going with McCombs. I can tell him one thing - he'll enjoy better girls at Texas than at ND for sure!

Apr 8, 2012

NDhome1, the ranking references I used were just for illustration. You can discount them and the argument still stands - these publics have better reputation in these fields than the mentioned privates. That's why I found your claim that most profesionals think that schools like ND are "much more prestigious" very exaggerated. Business, law, engineering, and medicine include a vast majority of the working professionals and that's why I picked these four fields. Feel free to pick whatever academic discipline - a school like Berkeley or Michigan will most likely be better at it than ND, Emory, etc. And I don't see how you can say that going to a private school caused someone to have a higher income.

My post about your exaggerated view of your school's reputation had nothing to do with your claim of how many people you send to IB. It's just that you were saying how great of an image your school has and then wondering why people don't think of it as a target - a contradiction, don't you think? If people don't have the same view of your school that you and your classmates have, perhaps there is a reason. That was the point.

Apr 8, 2012
N.R.G.:

NDhome1, the ranking references I used were just for illustration. You can discount them and the argument still stands - these publics have better reputation in these fields than the mentioned privates. That's why I found your claim that most profesionals think that schools like ND are "much more prestigious" very exaggerated. Business, law, engineering, and medicine include a vast majority of the working professionals and that's why I picked these four fields. Feel free to pick whatever academic discipline - a school like Berkeley or Michigan will most likely be better at it than ND, Emory, etc. And I don't see how you can say that going to a private school caused someone to have a higher income.

My post about your exaggerated view of your school's reputation had nothing to do with your claim of how many people you send to IB. It's just that you were saying how great of an image your school has and then wondering why people don't think of it as a target - a contradiction, don't you think? If people don't have the same view of your school that you and your classmates have, perhaps there is a reason. That was the point.

This has been posted before (they haven't published one since 2008). They rank median income 10-20 years out of school. ND clocks in at # 8 - well ahead of many Ivy league schools. :
http://www.forbes.com/2008/07/30/college-salary-gr...
I didn't say originally that my school had "such a great reputation," although all of the schools, from the publics you've mentioned to the privates I've mentioned have great reputations, that goes without saying. I stated that I'm surprised Mendoza isn't held in higher esteem - for the purposes of BB recruiting. I was just surprised that I've seen posters go out of their way to state that ND isn't a target school when they are in fact recruited. I also still think that the majority of people would put more stock in a Vandy/Emory/ND/Gtown degree than a top public one, and I disagree with the assertion that many of the publics' b-schools and other undergraduate programs are necessarily better than the private's I've mentioned (although ND's graduate ones aren't good), but we'll have to agree to disagree. I also think that the quality of the program is related to/dependent on leading to a promising career, and the stats show that the average grad from the privates on average do make more mid-career. Berkeley also clocks in very high, so considering the high cost of a private school, it may well be worth it to choose a school like Berkeley over ND. You've got more confounding factors as well, like on average more students at a state school, etc., so again we'll just have to agree to disagree.

In any case, sure, you're entitled to think that the top publics beat out the slightly overall higher ranked privates in many important fields and programs. Again, the point I was just trying to make is that due to the recruitment that's been consistent on ND's campus lately, it should be included in that top 25 or so list of targets and more users shouldn't be so quick to scoff at it for recruitment is all.

Apr 10, 2012

People who get full rides to UT are usually choosing between UT and some top 5 school... not Notre Dame, so I doubt this thread is true.

Even if you are lying though, UT is still way cheaper (especially in state) and ND doesn't really justify the price, unless you want to be a priest or something. Go UT.

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Apr 8, 2012

^ Why would I be lying? Seriously.

Apr 7, 2012
enticingplague:

^ Why would I be lying? Seriously.

haha.

Apr 10, 2012

mccombs. don't pass up the full ride.

Apr 11, 2012

1a) Pussy. UT >>>> ND.
1b) Money. UT >>>> ND.
2) Career. UT >>> ND. I am assuming OP will get McCombs honors. In which case there is discussion at all. McCombs honors competes at a very high level.

Apr 7, 2012
PetEng:

1a) Pussy. UT >>>> ND.
1b) Money. UT >>>> ND.
2) Career. UT >>> ND. I am assuming OP will get McCombs honors. In which case there is discussion at all. McCombs honors competes at a very high level.

Saying that McCombs honors competes at a very high level is a very reasonable statement, as McCombs is a great business school. But making a blanket statement that in general "UT>>>ND" career-wise is just absurdly wrong.

Apr 11, 2012
darknight12:
PetEng:

1a) Pussy. UT >>>> ND.
1b) Money. UT >>>> ND.
2) Career. UT >>> ND. I am assuming OP will get McCombs honors. In which case there is discussion at all. McCombs honors competes at a very high level.

Saying that McCombs honors competes at a very high level is a very reasonable statement, as McCombs is a great business school. But making a blanket statement that in general "UT>>>ND" career-wise is just absurdly wrong.

Yeah, that was definitely an overreach on my part. Probably just due to what I've seen on the Energy side.

Apr 11, 2012

Some perspective from a guy working at a BB. There are a few ND guys in IBD as well as S&T. (Think MS, JP, GS) The last two hires were from ND.

There are no UT guys... just some food for thought.

Apr 11, 2012

What NDHome has said on this thread is very accurate and I can attest to this as well. OCR has been phenomenal recently, and as much as anyone might want to discount the opportunities to work for a BB from ND they are clearly mistaken. Over the past 4 or 5 years, ND recruiting has picked up dramatically and (outside of some VERY top targets), ND has placed extraordinarily well. Like NDHome said, there were about 50-60 Finance majors that will be working for BBs for FT positions across IBD, S&T, etc. I thoroughly believe that not many schools could have roughly a third of ALL its finance majors going to BBs. So, as much as anyone wants to criticize the school, from a Finance perspective it is clearly one of the top institutions to get a degree from. I know that McCombs is not nearly as well perceived in terms of the ability to land a BB offer. Can it be done? Of course. But ND will provide more open doors to you then UT (especially in regards to the extreme dedication of the alumni base).

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Apr 11, 2012

The answer is simple. UT. The kid said he wants to live in Houston. UT dominanates energy banking in every way. The energy groups will hire a kid out of UT over HYP.

On the other hand for traditional banking every BB and top MM bank recruits out of UT. For those people who say they dont see UT grads in banking make me LOL. What a fucking joke. I went to the GS informational deal at UT a few years ago. They brought in alum from every sector of their operations. There had to be at least 50 employees there. As well as a partner who graduated from UT.

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Apr 12, 2012

You should have picked ND. Hands down.

I'm not sure why everyone keep stressing the importance of the fact that most BB's and elite boutiques recruit at UT. So what? Each firm takes 2-3 kids for summer. But at ND, as some of the above posters mentioned, each bank recruits 5+ (even 10) per class. Exactly why most people prefer to go to Wharton over other targets, even though the same banks recruit at both schools, because Wharton sends like 20 kids to GS every year.

And also, getting a full ride to UT is an insignificant amount of money. Without the full ride, OP would be paying 10K per year. But if he only has to pay 25K at ND, it means that he's getting 15K a year in scholarships. That 100K extra he would have to pay is insignificant considering 1) It's a private school and 2) He wants to go into banking.

For what it's worth, a lot of websites rank ND as the #1 undergraduate business school in the nation. If you were 100% focused on getting into banking, it would be hands down ND, but I understand college is not all that. UT has better weather, girls, etc. which are huge pluses.

I could also guarantee you that bankers see Mendoza as a lot more "prestigious" than McCombs.

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Apr 8, 2012
VelCro:

You should have picked ND. Hands down.

I'm not sure why everyone keep stressing the importance of the fact that most BB's and elite boutiques recruit at UT. So what? Each firm takes 2-3 kids for summer. But at ND, as some of the above posters mentioned, each bank recruits 5+ (even 10) per class. Exactly why most people prefer to go to Wharton over other targets, even though the same banks recruit at both schools, because Wharton sends like 20 kids to GS every year.

And also, getting a full ride to UT is an insignificant amount of money. Without the full ride, OP would be paying 10K per year. But if he only has to pay 25K at ND, it means that he's getting 15K a year in scholarships. That 100K extra he would have to pay is insignificant considering 1) It's a private school and 2) He wants to go into banking.

For what it's worth, a lot of websites rank ND as the #1 undergraduate business school in the nation. If you were 100% focused on getting into banking, it would be hands down ND, but I understand college is not all that. UT has better weather, girls, etc. which are huge pluses.

I could also guarantee you that bankers see Mendoza as a lot more "prestigious" than McCombs.

So you're telling me that because some website ranks ND #1 that it is better than Wharton? I think you should ask your parents which one is better. If you were accepted to Wharton, would you go there? End of discussion. Rankings mean nothing.

Also who in their right mind would pay $100k to go to ND over UT for free? (Assuming no ivies) Only you I guess. I would rather take that 100k, get a BMW M5, drive it around Austin, go to every music and film festival as a VIP, AND still get a banking job (whether it be Houston or NY).

At ND with 100k out of pocket or loans, you will be eating Ramen in your dorm without a guarentee of getting an IB job.

Apr 12, 2012
Ace6904:

So you're telling me that because some website ranks ND #1 that it is better than Wharton? I think you should ask your parents which one is better. If you were accepted to Wharton, would you go there? End of discussion. Rankings mean nothing.

Also who in their right mind would pay $100k to go to ND over UT for free? (Assuming no ivies) Only you I guess. I would rather take that 100k, get a BMW M5, drive it around Austin, go to every music and film festival as a VIP, AND still get a banking job (whether it be Houston or NY).

At ND with 100k out of pocket or loans, you will be eating Ramen in your dorm without a guarentee of getting an IB job.

You make no sense. Read my post. That's not what I said. I admitted that ranking doesn't mean much. Of course I would choose Wharton. But there's obviously a correlation between the strength of the program and the fact that many journals/sites rank ND as #1 in the nation.

Many people would choose ND over UT. Let's be honest - people give more credibility and weight to ND because it's a private school and it's harder to get in. In the end, UT is still a state school.

"At ND with 100k out of pocket or loans, you will be eating Ramen in your dorm without a guarentee of getting an IB job." - This makes no sense. If you're paying 100k using loans, why would you be eating Ramen in your dorm? That's the whole point of loans. You pay nothing now and pay it back later with interest.

Apr 7, 2012
Ace6904:

So you're telling me that because some website ranks ND #1 that it is better than Wharton? I think you should ask your parents which one is better. If you were accepted to Wharton, would you go there? End of discussion. Rankings mean nothing.

Sibling got into Wharton and turned it down for a school in the Vandy/ND/Georgetown range. Not everyone cares about rankings (you still do, you're just saying that the rankings that had ND at #1 are incorrect). He didn't like the culture at Wharton, he saw no reason to live in central Philly for four years, and he had no intention to do banking whatsoever at that point (as most people don't because they don't know what it is).

Apr 8, 2012
VelCro:

You should have picked ND. Hands down.

And also, getting a full ride to UT is an insignificant amount of money. Without the full ride, OP would be paying 10K per year. But if he only has to pay 25K at ND, it means that he's getting 15K a year in scholarships. That 100K extra he would have to pay is insignificant considering 1) It's a private school and 2) He wants to go into banking.

Cost of attendance for UT is around $25,000 a year including everything. Also, I said I'm not sure if I want to go into banking.

Apr 12, 2012

This kid isn't even sure he wants to do IB, so BB recruiting probably shouldn't be his number one critieria. I know this for sure though, he'll have a MUCH better time at UT. I know a lot of kids who went to notre dame, and it's not fun.

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Apr 8, 2012
trade4trade:

This kid isn't even sure he wants to do IB, so BB recruiting probably shouldn't be his number one critieria. I know this for sure though, he'll have a MUCH better time at UT. I know a lot of kids who went to notre dame, and it's not fun.

Yeah, I also know a lot of kids who went to Notre Dame and it was the best time of their lives, along with a lot of kids who went to large state schools who had no attachment to their schools whatsoever and couldn't wait to get the hell out. Obviously there are huge differences between a large state school and a mid-sized private school and obviously ND, just like any school, will give a unique experience, but stating that "it's not fun" is erroneous hearsay. Besides, OP made up his mind already anyway.

Apr 6, 2012

enticingplague, VelCro's post is full of nonsense, after reading through the posts there is an apparent and overwhelming stance that McCombs > Mendoza, there is no reason to question your choice, it was the correct one, whether or not you want to go into banking. The only place ND gives an advantage is in the midwest where they compete w. Ross, Booth, Kellog, Kelley, and Wharton whereas here in the south (Texas specifically) UT competes with no one but Rice and its not even really a competition, both schools get most of the placements.

Apr 12, 2012
BigBucks:

enticingplague, VelCro's post is full of nonsense, after reading through the posts there is an apparent and overwhelming stance that McCombs > Mendoza, there is no reason to question your choice, it was the correct one, whether or not you want to go into banking. The only place ND gives an advantage is in the midwest where they compete w. Ross, Booth, Kellog, Kelley, and Wharton whereas here in the south (Texas specifically) UT competes with no one but Rice and its not even really a competition, both schools get most of the placements.

Using your logic, the only place UT gives an advantage is Texas. But OP doesn't know if he wants to stay in Houston to work.

Your statement about how Rice is the only place that competes with UT is completely wrong. You are also competing with every other school, albeit the competition is not as strong as for positions in the midwest. But, there's obviously a lot more firms and more positions in Chicago. Your point is moot.

Apr 6, 2012

the questions about prestige are absolutely irrelevant, i'm pretty sure SMU is more "prestigious" than UT but no one in their right mind would tell you to go to their business school over Texas. I'm pretty sure Georgetown/ND are more "prestigious" than UMich but no one in their right mind would tell you attend Georgetown's business school over Ross. The questions of "academic" quality are also absurd, UT has a top law school, top med school, top engineering/cs program, and the best accounting program in the nation, I don't see how they're lacking in academic quality. The liberal arts are where prestige-whoring is paramount to success, and private schools are usually better for the liberal arts, since you aren't trying to become an actor or the next Christina Amanpour you should leave the private school prestige whoring to the wealthy.

Apr 12, 2012
BigBucks:

the questions about prestige are absolutely irrelevant, i'm pretty sure SMU is more "prestigious" than UT but no one in their right mind would tell you to go to their business school over Texas. I'm pretty sure Georgetown/ND are more "prestigious" than UMich but no one in their right mind would tell you attend Georgetown's business school over Ross. The questions of "academic" quality are also absurd, UT has a top law school, top med school, top engineering/cs program, and the best accounting program in the nation, I don't see how they're lacking in academic quality. The liberal arts are where prestige-whoring is paramount to success, and private schools are usually better for the liberal arts, since you aren't trying to become an actor or the next Christina Amanpour you should leave the private school prestige whoring to the wealthy.

What do you mean by "top"? There are many reasons why state schools are considered "top" programs. Many factors come into play: number of alumni, number of award winners, academic quality, median salary, faculty, etc. The fact that UT is a large school only helps its case.

UT having a top law/med/engineering programs are completely irrelevant. OP is going for banking.

Apr 6, 2012

The sheer advantage UT gives him in Texas compared to ND in the midwest should be enough to pick UT > ND, then adding on the fact that its free and he has a chance to get into the honors program it makes it a no-brainer. The honors program > mendoza in all regions (except maybe the midwest) and I'm a 100% sure of that statement. Oh ya not to mention Austin is becoming a huge player in tech, I really see no advantage (as many others on here don't) to choosing Notre Dame unless the kid specifically wants to work in the midwest (and lets be honest, why would anyone want that, its cold, the chics are terrible, and the ocean is nowhere to be found).

Apr 12, 2012
BigBucks:

The sheer advantage UT gives him in Texas compared to ND in the midwest should be enough to pick UT > ND, then adding on the fact that its free and he has a chance to get into the honors program it makes it a no-brainer. The honors program > mendoza in all regions (except maybe the midwest) and I'm a 100% sure of that statement. Oh ya not to mention Austin is becoming a huge player in tech, I really see no advantage (as many others on here don't) to choosing Notre Dame unless the kid specifically wants to work in the midwest (and lets be honest, why would anyone want that, its cold, the chics are terrible, and the ocean is nowhere to be found).

You're making a lot of generalizations. And I wholeheartedly disagree with the fact that UT gives him an advantage over ND when it comes to recruiting in NY.

Austin becoming a huge player in tech - Not even going to comment on this.

"he has a chance to get into the honors program" - This should be irrelevant in making a decision. He also has an equal chance of not getting in.

Sorry I didn't know offers were given based on how many chicks you're seen/banged and the proximity from your dorm to a beach. I'm assuming OP has lived in Houston for a very long time. It will be a good change of scene.

You are attending A&M / TT / SMU, so obviously you're giving a very biased point of view. Your arguments carry no weight.

Apr 7, 2012
BigBucks:

The sheer advantage UT gives him in Texas compared to ND in the midwest should be enough to pick UT > ND, then adding on the fact that its free and he has a chance to get into the honors program it makes it a no-brainer. The honors program > mendoza in all regions (except maybe the midwest) and I'm a 100% sure of that statement. Oh ya not to mention Austin is becoming a huge player in tech, I really see no advantage (as many others on here don't) to choosing Notre Dame unless the kid specifically wants to work in the midwest (and lets be honest, why would anyone want that, its cold, the chics are terrible, and the ocean is nowhere to be found).

Where is your evidence to back up all of these generalizations? You state originally that McCombs>Mendoza for banking in general and in NYC, then you say the sheer advantage in Texas should give it the edge (and OP said he may not want to stay in Texas forever), then you say that even if he doesn't want to to banking, Texas>ND anyway. Wouldn't the liberal arts "ranking whoring" mean something especially if he didn't do banking? And FYI, citing huge differences in rankings isn't rankings-whoring, rankings whores are the ones who say "If a school isn't top 5, it's no more valuable than a state school." Yeah, I've heard McCombs is great for energy in Texas so if that's his goal, it gets the edge, but like Banking34075 said, it's very hard to compete with BB placement at ND outside of top target schools in NYC due to how ND has been faring lately. Others have pointed out that UT isn't as strong a brand name to get you into east coast BBs than Mendoza has been in recent years.

And yes, the Bloomberg/Businessweek rankings get no love here, but the controversy is in how they weight the subcomponents like "Student satisfaction," not the validity of the subcomponents themselves. UVA and Wharton both place in the top 5 so they can't be completely asinine. McCombs doesn't fare nearly as well as Mendoza in student faculty ratio, academic quality, etc. Your statement that the BHP>Mendoza is just an unfounded assertion.

P.S. ... I do want to give you props on bringing up Christiane Amanpour hahaha. Most people here probably don't know who she is but I'm all too well aware from watching This Week.

Apr 6, 2012

By top I mean top 10-20, and in accounting they are #1, and as far as banking goes its been confirmed that all the BBs recruit there, they dominate Houston/Dallas Energy IB/HF/PE and they place well into the east coast. The honors program has even better placements (a nationwide presence for sure).

p.s. UT's grad business school also blows ND out of the water, I really don't see where ND has an advantage.

Apr 6, 2012

rofl are u kidding me, I should be the one to hate UT since I attend one of those schools. I say this as someone who got into ND, am Catholic, visited and chose not to go (financial, personal reasons). I never said McCombs gives him an advantage over Mendoza in NY, I think they are equal. I said the sheer advantage it gives him in Texas and the fact it's free should make the decision a no- brainer and that is the truth. As for the Honors program, that for sure gives him an advantage nationwide, the placements from that program are on the level of target schools and the POTENTIAL of being admitted into that program should bolster his decision to choose UT over ND (in addition to it being free and the advantage in Texas).Since you are in the minority, it seems I am probably being more objective than you are, unless all of these other posters attended a school in Texas....

Apr 12, 2012

I honestly do not understand why so many people are favoring McCombs over ND. I graduated from ND in 2010 and it was by far the best experience of my life, in terms of the social life, education and connections that you build while being there. When I graduated ND was considered a semi-target for banking; now I have no doubt that it is a target school. Last year the number of grads that went into BB's or straight to PE was ridiculuos, and I know that the number of Juniors with summer internship spots at BB's this summer is like 4-5x of what it was when I was a Junior.

Besides the fact that ND blows McCombs out of the water for career opportunities on Wall Street, the ND name is 1000x more prestigious and will open many, many more doors for you in the future. I've gotten interviews with the top HF's and various MM PE firms already, and believe me when I tell you that your "pedigree" will make or break you when Headhunters decide to contact you. It might not be Harvard or Wharton, but ND is in the same league of prestige as the other Ivy's at least here on Wall Street.

In the end, it will all depend on how well you do in college, how involved you become in extracurriculars, etc., but if you do well while majoring in Finance from Mendoza I guarantee you that you'll get interviews with every BB (for New York and Chicago offices). If you rank at the top 10% of the Finance class, you'll even have a decent shot to breaking straight into PE.

I hope you make the right decision, but you really cabt go wrong with Notre Dame.

Apr 6, 2012

I have never met 1 ND guy at any of the large financial firms i worked at. My opinion might be biased because I work in NY. I heard ND people usually work in the Midwest.

Apr 7, 2012

He already made up his mind and will be graduating from a good school debt free. Don't really see why we still need to fight over this.

If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses - Henry Ford

Apr 6, 2012

I'm done arguing with 2 ND alums, and someone who has a relative at ND, about why Mendoza is not on par with McCombs, ask the rest of the forums because apparently they concur. As for business honors vs. Mendoza, its not even a close comparison and anyone who has knowledge of the placements out of BHP knows that.

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Apr 12, 2012
BigBucks:

I'm done arguing with 2 ND alums, and someone who has a relative at ND, about why Mendoza is not on par with McCombs, ask the rest of the forums because apparently they concur. As for business honors vs. Mendoza, its not even a close comparison and anyone who has knowledge of the placements out of BHP knows that.

You go to a school in Texas. You're no better than an ND alum that has a bias towards his own school. You're just mad because you know ND has a better undergraduate business program. FYI, I go to Yale/Stanford/Princeton.

A lot of people are saying OP should go to Texas because of the whole "free-ride" situation. That's obviously not the case anymore knowing that OP will be paying in-state tuition. And only 1 other person has mentioned the "honors program", which means it's relatively unknown and no one will give it any credibility (except UT alumni).

You got served.

Apr 8, 2012
VelCro:
BigBucks:

I'm done arguing with 2 ND alums, and someone who has a relative at ND, about why Mendoza is not on par with McCombs, ask the rest of the forums because apparently they concur. As for business honors vs. Mendoza, its not even a close comparison and anyone who has knowledge of the placements out of BHP knows that.

You go to a school in Texas. You're no better than an ND alum that has a bias towards his own school. You're just mad because you know ND has a better undergraduate business program. FYI, I go to Yale/Stanford/Princeton.

A lot of people are saying OP should go to Texas because of the whole "free-ride" situation. That's obviously not the case anymore knowing that OP will be paying in-state tuition. And only 1 other person has mentioned the "honors program", which means it's relatively unknown and no one will give it any credibility (except UT alumni).

You got served.

I'm not sure if you know this but Aggies and Longhorns hate each others guts. I'm actually quite surprised that BigBucks acknowledges UT.

Apr 7, 2012

This discussion is silly. At the end of the day both schools are great school and are relatively equal in most regards and the decision in my opinion, which the OP has already made, should be based on fit, finances, etc.

Academics: Basically no difference...and I'd argue that they are probably not that much different from a Wharton, Sloan, Ross, etc. Academics at most of schools are basically all the same...strong faculty, similar curriculums, etc.

Network: Both have notoriously strong networks on both a national and regional level. ND in the MW and UT in Texas / South / Southwest. Nationally you'll find alums from both schools everywhere you go and both networks are very loyal to their own alums. I would say you may find ND grads more spread out given that incoming students there come from all over vs. UT where a much larger proportion of students comes from Texas.

Career Placements: Both are regional targets and national semi-targets. They place very strongly in their own regions but also have grads that end up in front office jobs on the coasts...in similar proportions. Having worked in multiple countries, cities, etc. (not in the MW or south) I've found a similar number of grads from both schools in all these places. At the end of the day a good student from either school will have similar career options afforded to them.

Prestige / Pedigree: Honestly neither school provides this. When people talk about how PEs, VCs, HFs, BBs, F500 corpdev/strat, etc. want people with pedigree they basically are only talking about a very limited number of schools (Ivy, MIT, Stanford, etc.). As much as ND grads may think that ND is very prestigious because it is a well regarded private school - on Wall Street, in Silicon Valley, in Hollywood, etc. They are considered a great school but are relegated to the same prestige level as a Gtown, Vandy, Emory, BC, USC, etc. Great schools but not schools that a partner at a PE / HF would brag about to a prospective client...they want to be able to say "btw client, most of our people went to Harvard, Stanford, Wharton, and Princeton." You'll never hear them throw in any of the above schools. This is pretty evident if you go to any top tier PE, VC, HF website. Just look through the team profiles...you'll probably find a 1-2 ND or UT grads while you'll notice 20+ Ivy, stanford, MIT, etc. grads. In all reality you'll probably find the same amount or maybe more BYU grads at these places than ND or UT as those BYU Mormon guys reallyyyyyy look out for their own on a level I've never seen from any other university.

Public Perception / Reputation: Both are well known by the public for the athletic prowess but ND probably has an edge here given that it's private the general public probably thinks it is better academically.

Apr 12, 2012
harvardgrad08:

This discussion is silly. At the end of the day both schools are great school and are relatively equal in most regards and the decision in my opinion, which the OP has already made, should be based on fit, finances, etc.

Academics: Basically no difference...and I'd argue that they are probably not that much different from a Wharton, Sloan, Ross, etc. Academics at most of schools are basically all the same...strong faculty, similar curriculums, etc.

Network: Both have notoriously strong networks on both a national and regional level. ND in the MW and UT in Texas / South / Southwest. Nationally you'll find alums from both schools everywhere you go and both networks are very loyal to their own alums. I would say you may find ND grads more spread out given that incoming students there come from all over vs. UT where a much larger proportion of students comes from Texas.

Career Placements: Both are regional targets and national semi-targets. They place very strongly in their own regions but also have grads that end up in front office jobs on the coasts...in similar proportions. Having worked in multiple countries, cities, etc. (not in the MW or south) I've found a similar number of grads from both schools in all these places. At the end of the day a good student from either school will have similar career options afforded to them.

Prestige / Pedigree: Honestly neither school provides this. When people talk about how PEs, VCs, HFs, BBs, F500 corpdev/strat, etc. want people with pedigree they basically are only talking about a very limited number of schools (Ivy, MIT, Stanford, etc.). As much as ND grads may think that ND is very prestigious because it is a well regarded private school - on Wall Street, in Silicon Valley, in Hollywood, etc. They are considered a great school but are relegated to the same prestige level as a Gtown, Vandy, Emory, BC, USC, etc. Great schools but not schools that a partner at a PE / HF would brag about to a prospective client...they want to be able to say "btw client, most of our people went to Harvard, Stanford, Wharton, and Princeton." You'll never hear them throw in any of the above schools. This is pretty evident if you go to any top tier PE, VC, HF website. Just look through the team profiles...you'll probably find a 1-2 ND or UT grads while you'll notice 20+ Ivy, stanford, MIT, etc. grads. In all reality you'll probably find the same amount or maybe more BYU grads at these places than ND or UT as those BYU Mormon guys reallyyyyyy look out for their own on a level I've never seen from any other university.

Public Perception / Reputation: Both are well known by the public for the athletic prowess but ND probably has an edge here given that it's private the general public probably thinks it is better academically.

Very unbiased and fair post. One thing I'd point out though - schools you mentioned like Georgtown, Vandy, ND, etc, seem to be up and coming or increased relativity recently in academic reputation. I mean to me, ND in the '70s was a school where Irish people went to get drunk and play football. So you may see proportion-wise more and more young people from these other private schools going to PE and HFs than they used to compared to the traditional top Ivies. Obviously the top Ivies still place better and turnover takes a while considering the alumni connections, etc, but I think we're starting to see more of these private schools do better. Also, I'd consider BC a notch below the other private schools you mentioned but that's just me.

Apr 12, 2012

Definitely Notre Dame. You will have one of the strongest networks of any university in the country, the cred of being in the top undergrad business program in the country (according to Businessweek), and you'll get out of Texas for a minute. You can always return to Texas, but ND has connections all over the nation.

The only problem is you'll have to sacrifice seeing good football for history lessons about how your school USED to have a good program in 1940's.

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Apr 12, 2012

You know what? I once thought that targets matter so much and yes, of course, it matters to an extent but unless you go to Wharton or Harvard and schools like that, it really doesn't as long as you go to a semi-decent school. It's about the hustle and drive you have to get that damn job.

ND/UT---prestige level on Wall Street? Puh-lease. Both recognized as solid schools not something to brag about (no matter how unfair it is). Neither will have an advantage in the interview room if you don't have the goods to back it up, and being comfortable in the interview room comes from having great experiences to talk about, which comes from having a great college life, which means choosing whatever fits you--including the money factor also.

I'm familiar with the BHP at UT. Solid for sure, but again no guaranteed path. Definitely a great network of alumni though to tap into that are loyal.

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Apr 13, 2012

I call troll, why would this even be a question? living in ATX for free vs. paying to live in BFE

More is good, all is better

Apr 8, 2012
Argonaut:

I call troll, why would this even be a question? living in ATX for free vs. paying to live in BFE

What the hell is BFE?

Apr 7, 2012
enticingplague:
Argonaut:

I call troll, why would this even be a question? living in ATX for free vs. paying to live in BFE

What the hell is BFE?

Bum fuck egypt

If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses - Henry Ford

Apr 13, 2012

I'm a Texas Finance Alum...The only schools I would have picked over Texas are Harvard or Yale.

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Apr 13, 2012

^Alright bro, No one thinks UT-Austin outside of Texas while Notre Dame is pehaps the 6th most prestigious school in the country after HYPSM.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/9109/harvard-number-one...
Notre Dame: 4%
Texas: 2%

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Apr 13, 2012
eldiablo4857:

^Alright bro, No one thinks UT-Austin outside of Texas while Notre Dame is pehaps the 6th most prestigious school in the country after HYPSM.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/9109/harvard-number-one...
Notre Dame: 4%
Texas: 2%

OP is looking for an MBA program, not undergrad.

More is good, all is better

Aug 2, 2012

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Apr 13, 2012

The only prestige ND has is fucking Rudy. Notre Dame is in fucking Indiana. Jesus.

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Apr 7, 2012
MODELSLAYER:

The only prestige ND has is fucking Rudy. Notre Dame is in fucking Indiana. Jesus.

Wash U is in fucking Missouri. Jesus.

Cornell is in fucking upstate New York. Jesus.

Duke is in fucking Durham. Jesus.

Dartmouth is in rural New Hampshire. Jesus.

See where I'm going with this?

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Apr 11, 2012
darknight12:
MODELSLAYER:

The only prestige ND has is fucking Rudy. Notre Dame is in fucking Indiana. Jesus.

Wash U is in fucking Missouri. Jesus.

Cornell is in fucking upstate New York. Jesus.

Duke is in fucking Durham. Jesus.

Dartmouth is in rural New Hampshire. Jesus.

See where I'm going with this?

I can play this game too.

Oil fields are in rual montana.

The space station is in space.

The Titanic is at the bottom of the ocean.

The Queen is in London.

Lets just keep naming random shit no one cares about.

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