The Night Of Theories
Does anybody on here watch this show? I've been waiting for another season of true detective for a while but I feel like this is a nice substitute for it while I'm waiting for season 3 (if that ever happens). My big question is...Who killed the girl? Thoughts?
I think there has been a lot of diversions so far to make you think this person did it or that person did it. Here are my possible (but wild) theories:
-His brother did it. -The person in the bike who pulls up to him at the red light when the knife is sitting on the dashboard as he quickly puts it in his jacket. This person has a helmet on so you can't see their identity. -the lawyer with the feet problems had something to do with it.
What about the two dudes who walk by and say something to Naz when he's going into the house with the girl? One of them comes back to the scene and gets taken into custody for questioning as a witness. He claims he was some when they saw Naz go into the house.
Also, the lawyer let's the cat back into the house when he's looking through it. He comes back a day later and the cat is outside. Who let the cat out? Perhaps step dad or someone who has access to the house?
To your first point, I think it would be too easy to think this way as it seems to obvious. To your second point I didn't even think about that so thanks for pointing that out. Do you think the killer has been in any of the first four episodes?
I think Stone put the cat in the pound as a trap to see who comes to claim it.
I do think the killer has been in the show already. I believe it's only 8 parts so they are running out of time to bring in additional characters.
No theories on the killer yet, but I absolutely love this show and thought last night's episode in particular was terrific. Really showed how he isn't some innocent kid, but I think it's definitely a feint. I agree that the cat is a key clue and part of me wonders if main lawyer knows it as well.
Duane Reade - the black dude that as with Trevor that night (who called him Aladdin before Andrea and Naz went into the apt.). I think the show will prove that Naz is not guilty but will stay in jail anyway because of his recent actions in prison.
I think its too obvious to state that he's directly the killer but he's definitely involved somehow..
Agreed. I suspect it will be Omar from the Wire who orchestrates his staying - he likes having him around so will pull strings to make it happen, or maybe he is compiling evidence against Naz that he can trade in in turn for a reduced sentence
Great episode last night. The pharmacist made me laugh my ass off. And IDK what was up with the close up dead person dick shots either lol
I was more upset with the cliffhanger than the below the belt shots of the dead person.
what the heck were those blue lights at the end?
I think a big theme throughout the entire show has been desensitization and cynicism.
When the girl was brutally murdered everyone kind of stood around like it was no big deal and the show even made a point of focusing on the one cop who thought it was a big deal and puked.
Naz came to prison like a scared little puppy and he's already become desensitized to it, beating the shit out of a dude after already getting him beaten up, acting like an alpha male with the TV, and swallowing drugs that were in some dude's mom's vagina only to spray shit them into a bucket later on.
In fact, the bitch blonde lawyer even says in court that if you want to make a "nice kid" into a criminal, leave him in the system and watch the "slow wheels of justice" corrupt him instead of letting him out on bail.
The taxi cab partners don't give a shit that Naz is in prison and want to make it even harder on their partner's son by having him file felony charges against his own son. Talk about cynical.
The lawyer asked the cute Indian girl if she is ok this last episode when looking at the blood - he's fine with it.
Hell, every episode we see his nasty ass feet, desensitizing the audience to it. (although it's still nasty AF)
Edit: Adding both sides' extremely negative response to Naz having Adderal in his system. I never did it in college, but I know so many people that did and I never once thought it was a bad thing - more a crutch than anything. It was strange to see all of the lawyers reacting so negatively to it.
Dead dude dick is both an HBO body-shock staple (Watch any episode of game of thrones for dick and tits and ass galore) but is just another example. The doctor was so desensitized to it he asked the district attorney to lay her folder right next to it and then the two of them looked at the pictures like the dick was a nice book on an end table. The doctor wasn't phased at all and then wasn't phased by the request to completely bullshit his response.
I'm sure there are examples I've missed too - this is just off the top of my head - but desensitization and cynicism are constant themes in every episode.
Man this is so true. HBO does a great job though with the quirkiness of it all.
great analysis and thorough +1
I can't remember where I read it (maybe the Ringer?), but one analysis pointed out that the rotting/corruption of society is also a big theme (hence the focus on Stone's feet - which are an actual physical manifestation of that decay).
what do you guys think of the side story with the cab owners? i wish they would spend some more time following that story, seems like there could be some interesting angles.
I think it makes me hate cabbies even more and support Uber more than ever. Fuck those guys.
I think they'll ultimately file the charges against Naz one way or the other for grand theft. This compiled with Naz's behavior in jail (working for Omar from the wire (can't remember his name) doing his dirty work like swallowing the 8 balls) are going to lead to his downfall and they build the case against why he's not so 'innocent' even though I don't think he did it.
Talk about cognitive dissonance too. As soon as they said he was taking Addy and both sides took the "good kid" label down, I was like "what?" Or more specially, "I wish I blew Addy in school. Guarantee my grades would have been better."
So many people do that these days that I've been completely desensitized to it and it's weird to see people reacting to it so negatively.
For how disgustingly depicted Stone is, he's almost ALWAYS the smartest guy in the room. He was so sharp to pick up on Naz swallowing the 8 balls when he says " I know you have to do this but if you get caught, you're done". Genius.
I was kinda shocked by their reactions as well but after sleeping on it, I think the point that the show is trying to emphasize has less to do with how Stone or the DA's office feels about addy or whatever and more to do with how that toxicology report would play into the overall media narrative and juror mentality over the course of a trial. The show definitely takes a laissez-faire stance on drug use (like Stone's little tirade about K or the one scene where the judge casually gives a guy a month in jail for each ball he got caught with) and for the most part all the main characters on both sides of the legal system come across as fairly jaded and nonchalant about all the fucked up shit they have to deal with on a day to day basis. It really comes down to them being cognizant of the nature of the game that they're in - and that's America's fucked up judicial system (sociologists love to call it the "prison-industrial concept.") I think all those characters are just as desensitized as we are, but they know that your average middle American boomer is gonna see that on Nancy Grace and peg Naz as some meth head murderer, which is why both legal teams remove the "good kid" card.
Totally agree with the above. This show is full of hypocrisy and cynicism.
If anyone wants another great show while waiting for True Detective season 3, Banshee is fantastic.
what platform?
It was on Cinemax but I just watch it on watchtvseries. I just started season 4 and it hasn't dropped off at all
What about the hearse guy by the gas station from the first episode who said something to the girl?
Came here to post this as well. He was appalled by Abbie throwing her smoke out at the gas station and the camera shot lingered after the scene which I thought could be interpreted as him following them.
We don't know anything about this guy yet, do we?
I think its possible they know each other from before
I really don't think we've met the killer yet. Unlike True Detective, the plot of this show is meant to be centered around the justice system and less on the intricacies of the murder itself. While the writers still have to keep an interesting narrative about how the murder occurred to keep the legal case interesting, it's not the focus of the show. The Night Of is based off of the British show "Criminal Justice". As we've seen the show's focus is on the corruption of the legal system. Primarily the concept of while it's supposed to read "Innocent until proven guilty", a lot of times (this case included) the burden of proof is reversed.
I don't believe they have to necessarily "shock" the viewers when it comes down to who actually committed the crime. It's highly plausible we won't be introduced to the killer until one of the final episodes, if we find out at all.
I think the detective is going to retire and switch sides to the defense.
What does everyone think after last nights episode?
Maybe we wont see justice for Naz. Maybe the audience, will learn that Andrea's stepfather indeed committed the crime but will walk free. Maybe the U.S. justice system will seize Naz, then continue to destroy him as it has currently done before. There may be hope though. Maybe the show wont end on such a depressing note. Monkeys, to me this show has a certain resemblance to Steven Avery. It is showing us just how messed up, rigged, and unjust our justice system is.
I know the show is loosely based on some other show, but if I remember correctly I did read that the story is original. Maybe the creators of the show were inspired by the popular 'Serial' podcast, which tells the real life story of Adnan Syed. A muslim who has been convicted or murder, but was wrongfully charged.
I'm still interested to see Box dig up Naz' violent past. I think there is definitely something there that the show needs to uncover--and what was that scene with the spray paint on the lockers, was that his brother?
Let's also note:
The hearse driver was referring to women as 'cats' and men as a 'ball of yarn'. Could the cat's DNA be on him and put him at the scene? Wild thought.
Also, the title of the episode was "Samson and Delilah". Naz shaved his head, like Sampson. Some next level symbolism here.
The guy in jail, that threw the scalding liquid on Nas, his niece was brutally killed and her killer is out walking free. He showed Nas the picture of his niece's crime scene...looked practically identical to Andrea's crime scene. Too coincidental?
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