Underpaid even @ 7 figures??

So a buddy of mine works at a L/S fund that was up well over 30% last year. Over $5bn AUM, and only like 10-20 IPs. It's a name brand fund a lot of you would know. He's been there for over 4 years, and he made $1.5mm. For a "relatively senior" analyst to only make 1.5 bucks, seems kinda low for this situation, no? I've heard of 3rd year analysts making like double that last year. Dont get me wrong, that's a shit ton of money, just seems like he was underpaid. And he came up with good ideas and did good work, so were not talking about some nutjob here. Bright guy. Maybe explains why he never wants to go out anymore, feel bad. 

What do you guys think fair comp should have been? For context, he did $1-1.2mm the year before and the fund was up like 15% or something lower than that...

 
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Hard to tell with the info you provided. 

Things to consider: PnL contribution, seniority of others in fund (including partners and their cut), contract (what terms did they agree to?), hurdle (probably not at a L/S), fee structure at fund (are the actually collecting 2/20?), etc

Hard to tell if this person is a “relatively senior analyst” with 4 yrs. Hate doing this math, but with 20 investment professionals, 30% return ($1.5bln), 2/20 fees you have $300mm split among everyone. 

 

thing is, even if he's underpaid unless he's an absolute rockstar it is going to be quite difficult finding a sustainable seat where he can pull 3-4 million (again, unless he's a total rockstar). 

 
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Yes, that is how capitalism works. Capital, not labor captures the vast majority of profits of a business. Has your friend quit his job over his compensation? Demanded a bigger cut? What incentive do the owners of capital (partners) have to give labor (your friend) a cent more than they need to retain him or someone else with equivalent value-add?  

I'm not a communist / socialist but it's always hilarious to me when the people who ardently defend (and benefit heavily most from) capitalism suddenly see its flaws when it negatively affects them or someone they know. 

 

This is such a strange post.  How did you go from a guy making $1.5m/year that thinks he’s underpaid and turn that into a criticism of capitalism?  If making $1.5m and feeling underpaid is the biggest criticism of capitalism then I’ll take that every day of the week.  Better than being socialist and hungry. 
 

Like really though what was your point in writing that?  

 

Here, let me spell it out for you: OP's friend (labor) believes he delivered significantly more than $1.5mm of value to the company he works at. Unfortunately for him, capital reap the vast majority of the profits in the current system. In that system, he is *not* underpaid - he's being paid exactly what his value is to the owners of capital, rather than the value he's generated for the firm. 

Either OP's friend is underpaid and being harmed by a system that is too heavily tilted in favor of capital (vs labor), or he is being paid exactly the right wage and has no right to complain. This post only makes sense as a critique against capitalism (albeit inadvertently). 

Again, I'm not a communist or socialist - I'm a firm believer in capitalism. I just think it's funny when people who most likely will shut down any dialogue by lower earners to get better compensated for their value (i.e. blue collar workers or retail workers) suddenly have some sort of epiphany about the relationship between labor and capital in this country when they feel they themselves are undercompensated. 

 

It doesn't matter whether you think you're underpaid. It only matters whether there's another company that would pay you more. If there is a higher offer, then yes, you're underpaid and go take that other job (or use that offer as leverage with your current boss). But if there's no higher offer, then you're already making the maximum possible, so how can you say you're underpaid?

 

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