Who else hates the left here?
Anyone else hate how the left carries on in general as well as their policies? This is more of a rant but the amount of free market bashing and conservative bashing is fucking ridiculous. It's so common in every form of academia be that in schools, undergrad and masters degrees. Its beyond delusional. What world do these people live in? I hear the examples of Norway, Sweeden, Denmark but they aren't socialist. They have pro business policies and are actually moving more free market now. Not to mention those countries can't be compared to the United States due to population and demographics and natural resources. I'm fed up of this bull shit and quite frankly I hope out of spite Trump smashes it in 2020 as a big fuck you.
Discuss.
Hate is a strong word. Don't you have other things to do in lieu of hosting an e-rally for Trump's 2020 campaign?
Clearly, not many people do, but I want you to know I appreciate you for this really funny comment.
I'm expecting bigger and better things from you going forward.
What I notice is contrary to what you say. I find it to be right-wing Americans who can't stop talking about how they hate the left.
Where do you live/work?
I consider myself a Rockefeller Republican.
Catch 22 for me: I hate the left but then again I love the left because it's the single reason why I have a job as a liberal slayer.
I'm sure he'll "smash it" in 2020 just like he "smashed it" in 2016 by failing to win the popular vote against a real life android even with the full resources of the Russian Federation behind him.
Or maybe instead the vast majority (at least in states that aren't mostly composed of white trash on disability) that aren't delusional cultists like the average Republican voter will stop dicking around this time and realize elections matter. Only time will tell really.
It doesn’t. Countless times in the past Presidents have won without the popular vote. Hence why we have an electoral college and this country is a Republic and not a direct democracy.
Full resources? Are you talking about the $100K in ad spend Facebook identified?
https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/indus.php?cycle=2014&ind=Q05
How about the 3 million illegals that most likely voted for Hillary? Trump would have won the popular vote if you discounted those illegals. Also you do realise the United States has probably interfered with every other democratic election around the world. If you think Trump won because of Russia you are misguided in every sense of the word.
It's important to know that all liberals are the ones who were picked last in gym class.
The real issue is both the left and the right. The internet just serves as an echo chamber for both of them. They are both incapable of having a mature political discussion without turning into raging emotional monkeys (like you are doing with this post).
The truth, as always, lies in the middle, in the grey area where the centrists rule. Unfortunately, centrists are a dying minority which is why an extreme candidate like Trump won, and which is why for the coming years an extreme candidate will win, whether it is on the left or the right. There is no way for centrist politicians to win because there is no centric majority anymore.
I ain't no data scientist, but it looks to me like Republicans are more "centrist" and therefore, less extreme, no? I'd have to get out my measuring tape, but it looks like the median left is much closer to the edge than the median right. In fact, it looks like the median Republican isn't that much different than they were in 1994?
I agree with your first point. But I think it's fairly obvious that the Republicans have also clearly shifted more to the right, hence the medians. You probably know this but the weights are on the Y-axis.
A lot of Southern European countries like Spain and Italy have had voting demographics like this for ages. But in a multi-party system where you need coalitions to form a government, centrist parties will remain very powerful. A two-party system is perhaps more mobile in normal years than a multi-party system but is more fragile to these type of events.
I read in an article that the last two periods where the US were this divided was during the American civil war and before WW2 on isolationism vs entering the war.
"Hate" is a strong word. So no, I don't hate the Left.
As a passionate conservative, I think there is a very necessary push and pull between the right and the left, and as much as the Dems have annoyed me over the years, I think the U.S. has--historically--achieved a really good balance. We've achieved continued social and economic progress without gulags (in the context of history and current geopolitics, what more could you ask for?). I woke up this morning to the most prosperous day in world history; tomorrow will be the same, and August 23, 2023 will likely be the same, regardless of who is president or who controls Congress.
With all that said, I am genuinely afraid of what others are also observing--a huge pendulum swing to the hard left that is likely coming. I'm not talking about the Dems re-taking Congress or any other specific seat; I'm talking about the rise of socialism in America--and not the "soft socialism" of public firefighters or Social Security, but straight-from-the-mouth-of-Mussolini socialism that has manifested itself in the "Accountable Capitalism Act" by a leading 2020 presidential contender, Elizabeth Warren. I'm talking about the head of the DNC calling "democratic socialism", which decries the profit motive, the wave of the future. I'm talking about young people rejecting capitalism, despite the fact that capitalism is responsible for virtually all wealth creation.
So, I am definitely concerned for the future of this country. The daily horse-race politics don't concern me.
I am absolutely astounded at your banana count. I thought The Pro was essentially un-achievable.
No social media, no other internet accounts, no photos, no dating apps. I'm virtually un-findable on the web. So this is my only outlet.
At the risk of participating in a spam thread, I hear what you are saying re: Warren. But you have to understand that the Corporatism (NOT CAPITALISM) that has been pushed by politicians for the past 2 decades or so is unacceptable. Blame them for creating a Warren. Also, I like a lot of the stuff she outlines in her anti-corruption act but we know that will never get through congress. Like you, I hope she doesn't win. But unfortunately she has a good shot.
If we don't do these things soon then I am sorry to say that we will devolve into full-on socialism led by Warren, or someone like her, soon enough.
I actually look at the all of those as a positive, something we must strive to keep. Citizens United is exactly what allows corporations to fund politicians to represent their interests (capitalism). Without it, we'd get wildly populist candidates on the left who would support drastic measures to push us towards socialism. Same goes with lobbying (reinforcing working with corporations and staying on good terms with the), and the 3rd (again supporting corporations have some reins on economic policy). And with the fourth, that may be feasible, but we would just as likely get some clueless millennials like that mildly retarded wannabes like Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez who said that America can borrow indefinitely without consequence.
CNBC is not a liberal news outlet, this narrative needs to stop. They are concerned with business and the markets and business loves the Republican party. Fox News, of all the outlets, is the closest thing to pure propaganda. In any case I wholly disagree with your vitriol argument, just look at this site, look around the internet.
John Harwood is almost unreadable.
EDIT: IS unreadable.
Thoughts on NPR?
Have you not watched CNN? If you want to identify propaganda that is the very definition. Partisian isn't the outcome of propaganda, it is a possible outcome. CNN for example has shifted significantly in the partisan scale but are the exact same propaganda outlet they have always been. They are pro war, anti-citizen and pro whims of the moment. Been that way since they started.
Fiscally conservative... Socially liberal... Can't believe that some of the successful, hopefully intellectually capable individuals on a website like this can't learn to think for themselves and are instead full force behind one super generalized point of view (whether Conservative or Liberal).
most people on this site would say they identify this way, but it's just not the case. what you've just described is what libertarianism claims to be. shrink the govt, keep the govt out of people's lives full stop, no intervention, let the free market reign supreme. but then what about guns? well that's ok to legislate because we're dealing with people's lives! what about abortion? well that's ok to legislate because we're dealing with people's lives! well what about cutting military spending? no way, we need it to protect the country and our interests, get rid of food stamps! you don't want health insurance to cost so much? just tax the 1%, they'll pay for it (instead of paying the penalty or laying off people). the hypocrisy on both sides is appalling sometimes.
when I was brought up, the "right" meant people thought the way you just said - small government. the "left" meant bigger government, so you have 2 sides arguing it out trying to get to a happy medium where the state isn't too big to slow progress and stifle innovation, but it's not so small that people have nothing. instead, you have this weird combination of interests and people hitch their wagon to issues, rather than principles. it's very troubling. and to the people who call themselves a classic liberal but believe in things like gov't paying for birth control, the gov't enacting legislation to solve the "gender pay gap" (in quotes for a reason), or the people who say they reside on the right but that they want to spend more money on national security, limit free market capitalism with trade barriers, tax incentives favoring certain businesses, etc., you're not a classical liberal. either you believe in small gov't or you don't. that's my gripe with all of this, it seems that no one is clamoring for what I believe is the #1 problem in all of this: THE GOVERNMENT ITSELF.
so to answer the original question: no, I do not hate the left. I hate big government, and I hate that no one in power believes in small government.
I guess you could argue its a large vs small gov issue but I think another key factor is an "Educated" government and populace... honestly everyone is so clueless they just latch onto the first supporting argument they can sort of understand that supports their "beliefs" and run with it.
"and to the people who call themselves a classic liberal but believe in things like gov't paying for birth control, the gov't enacting legislation to solve the "gender pay gap"
again... just like climate change... there shouldn't be a "believe" notion attached to ANY of these arguments. Government either pays for BC or it doesn't. This, as I'm sure you can appreciate being a finance professional, should come from a cost benefit analysis... This is the cost associated with funding a program... this is the cost associated with having to take care of foster children / pregnant women without healthcare / increased populace / brought forth by NOT funding the program. Etc (obviously at some point forecasting these costs becomes impossible but I honestly believe a half-hearted attempt at trying to gauge the effects on a society is better than the current argument "well god says its a sin to attempt to stop a child from being conceived so nobody should use birth control"
I don't know maybe I'm ranting and make no sense right now... I just really fucking hate stupid people.
*hates the left because the left beats his meat up
Setting aside the tired headline from another College Republican who probably hasn't worked a day in his life outside his daddy's company, it shouldn't surprise anyone that there is a growing cry for a system of greater wealth distribution. Capitalism in this country has been broken since the Great Recession, and virtually all the economic gains have been reaped by the professional and owner classes.
Working-class voters with their growing economic (and racial) anxieties rewarded Trump with the White House. In return, Trump has passed a budget-busting tax cut that overwhelmingly benefits those who don't need it, cut environmental regulations that will literally poison these laborers, installed a Cabinet of grifters, and enacted tariffs in an unwinnable trade war that in his Fox News-riddled brain thinks will help these workers, but will most likely lead to higher consumer prices and net job losses. How do these voters react when the Trump cult finally dies out?
I don't want Warren or Sanders 2.0 either. But we better figure something out quickly to get the working class back on track, or we will quickly see the worst of both Bernie and Trump in office.
I lean conservative but US conservatism at this point is taking a troubling turn towards conspiracy theories and fear of “the other” (gays/minorities/immigrants/etc.)
Fox News has fucked the political discourse in this country almost beyond repair. It’s essentially the propaganda arm of the Republican Party at this point and almost every article/TV segment seems geared towards riling up people who probably never grew up around anyone who wasn’t white or conservative.
This. Fox News is the greatest threat in this country to our continued democracy. We have millions of baby boomers who live in a closed echo chamber of conservative fear-mongering media with very little interaction with people who don't look or think like them.
My aunt who had a reputable, honest 30-year career as a school teacher and was apolitical at every family gathering just recently told me she is no longer sure that the Sandy Hook shooting actually happened and it may have been staged by gun grabbers. These people are lost and brainwashed - they're not coming back.
Watch "The Brainwashing of My Dad" on Netflix which is a great documentary that walks through how this was Roger Ailes' plan all along...
Fox News?
Love how you single out the one shit, propaganda news source the right has, while ignoring the NYT, WAPO, CNN, MSNBC, NPR, CBS, etc. All the main news that spew endless leftist shit.
Fox is 100% trash. So is the rest. Singling out one and not the other shows your ideological leanings.
Huh?
Republicans are against illegal immigration. It lowers wages and we, as a sovereign nation, should control immigration.
Gay issue is put to bed. The issue now is the endless moral quagmire of 37 genders and trash like that.
Minorities? You mean the race pimps of the left?
Please. Lets stop pretending the Republicans are the only evil ones. That Dems don't fuck over poor and working class Americans for the benefit of illegal immigration and the hopes of another minority voting block.
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