pivot1990:
I don't work at UBS but It is shocking that people take Barcap/DB/Citigroup/Nomura over UBS... its still no 6 global M&A..., No 1 in Asia and Australia.... Time will proof everything..

I would never work @ UBS, however I feel like people on this board forget there are markets outside the US. UBS is still a huge and well respected bank overseas. Even in terms of the talent they've lost in the US, it's all cyclical.

Jeffries is becoming the new DLJ/DBL but UBS still is a huge international force experiencing trouble with their US banking ops.

‎"Until and unless you discover that money is the root of all good, you ask for your own destruction. When money ceases to become the means by which men deal with one another, then men become the tools of other men. Blood, whips and guns or dollars."
 
Independent Gestion:
Jeffries is becoming the new DLJ

I rarely call people out, but this statement is fucking retarded. Either you've never worked with a real ex-DLJ baller, or you are a fucking moron.

Unfortunately, no bank will ever match the culture or prestige of DLJ. I was fortunate enough to work for 4 ex-DLJers. What you've read in Monkey Business is tip of the iceberg. The real stuff happened in regional offices (LA/SF/Houston/Chicago), not in NY.

 
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KevinNYC:
They were the Nazi's bankers. A certain ethnic cohort with a strong presence on the Street will never forget!
A certain ethnic cohort needs to learn how to let go....Rothschild helped the French make money off of Vietnam while our soldiers were there, please don't tell me that doesn't look bad. The people doing the deals are long gone. Hell, we traded with the USSR during the cold war. You're completely entitled to your opinions, but business and culture are two things that even war typically fails to completely stifle.

[very] short list of businesses doing deals with Germany during that period: IBM DuPont Shell Kodak Ford GE The Fed Brown+Harriman The country of Switzerland DB, by the way IS a German bank GS LEH MS CS UBS and the list goes on, I could do this all day

It's the past, can we stop mentally reliving it over and over and OVER? My grandparents were in a camp, so don't bother me with righteousness. I'll quote them, "It's time to just start moving on".

Get busy living
 
UFOinsider:
KevinNYC:
They were the Nazi's bankers. A certain ethnic cohort with a strong presence on the Street will never forget!
A certain ethnic cohort needs to learn how to let go....Rothschild helped the French make money off of Vietnam while our soldiers were there, please don't tell me that doesn't look bad.

---Nahh, doesn't look that bad... But seriously. French in Vietnam = Nazis? Maybe my math is off. French Army equals Nazi systemic killing of millions of people? I guess we have different interpretations of WWII.

UFOinsider:
[very] short list of businesses doing deals with Germany during that period: IBM DuPont Shell Kodak Ford GE The Fed Brown+Harriman The country of Switzerland DB, by the way IS a German bank GS LEH MS CS UBS and the list goes on, I could do this all day

---Goldman Sachs and Lehman Brothers did business with the Nazis? I'd love to see some legitimate references there (no racist sites, please). ----You could make lists of Nazi companies all day?...

 
awm55:
As someone already said, they are 6'th internationally for M&A. If this were in Europe or Asia we would not even be having this conversation, they are weaker in the US though.
I am in Europe and you cannot believe how much fun we are making of our friend who starts at UBS next summer. It's borderline mobbing.
 
Il Cavaliere:
awm55:
As someone already said, they are 6'th internationally for M&A. If this were in Europe or Asia we would not even be having this conversation, they are weaker in the US though.
I am in Europe and you cannot believe how much fun we are making of our friend who starts at UBS next summer. It's borderline mobbing.
Good to know the douchebaggery is international.
I am permanently behind on PMs, it's not personal.
 
Il Cavaliere:
awm55:
As someone already said, they are 6'th internationally for M&A. If this were in Europe or Asia we would not even be having this conversation, they are weaker in the US though.
I am in Europe and you cannot believe how much fun we are making of our friend who starts at UBS next summer. It's borderline mobbing.

Cause you and your friends are college kid retards who source all their knowledge from WSO and TSR.. UBS emerged suprisingly strong after being hit so hard during the crisis.. and everyone was suprised how well they payed this year throughout all levels. Deal exposure and cash are, I'm afraid, stronger arguments than some "JK" and "LOL" turds' prestige perceptions.

 
Il Cavaliere:
awm55:
As someone already said, they are 6'th internationally for M&A. If this were in Europe or Asia we would not even be having this conversation, they are weaker in the US though.
I am in Europe and you cannot believe how much fun we are making of our friend who starts at UBS next summer. It's borderline mobbing.

Well I hope you do the same to anyone starting at MS.

 

Just one metric (mergermarket and Thomson had different calculations than Dealogic I believe), but:

http://s.wsj.net/public/resources/images/OB-LP258_Dealog_P_201101031716…

says UBS finished out ahead of BAML, Citi, DB and BarCap for FYE 2010. I would happily take an offer from UBS over any of those four places, but wouldn't take it ahead of CS or JPM unless we were talking the difference between the best one or two groups at UBS and the worst three to five groups at CS or JPM.

You would obviously not be very smart to take UBS over Goldman or Morgan Stanley, all things equal.

 

Honestly, can you be more pretentious? You recognize you are arrogant but do nothing to hide it or apologize for it. Chances are, no matter HOW well-connected you may be or think yourself to be, there will be someone powerful enough here who you may come across who is as sickened by your attitude in real life as online. Finance is a small world. If you really want to, go ahead and be the next Raj Verma/jeffrey chiang.

I am permanently behind on PMs, it's not personal.
 
A Posse Ad Esse:
Honestly, can you be more pretentious? You recognize you are arrogant but do nothing to hide it or apologize for it. Chances are, no matter HOW well-connected you may be or think yourself to be, there will be someone powerful enough here who you may come across who is as sickened by your attitude in real life as online. Finance is a small world. If you really want to, go ahead and be the next Raj Verma/jeffrey chiang.
Speaking of which, the troll brigade has been a little quiet around here lately. I'm bored, someone stupid please come on this site soon.....
Get busy living
 

So everyone at UBS should be looked down on because 60-70 years ago people did business with the German government? What kind of retarded thinking is that.

UBS is a fine bank. Make money and don't listen to what anyone says. If your basing your decisions off what a bunch of Internet pussies think you have more issues to worry about.

I use an IBM, omggggg, noooooo, they did business with the Germans. Ohhh noooo.

 
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So everyone at UBS should be looked down on because 60-70 years ago people did business with the German government? What kind of retarded thinking is that.

UBS is a fine bank. Make money and don't listen to what anyone says. If your basing your decisions off what a bunch of Internet pussies think you have more issues to worry about.

I use an IBM, omggggg, noooooo, they did business with the Germans. Ohhh noooo.

Eh, I agree with you but I know more than one person of a similar ethnic group who has told me they are not comfortable buying BMWs for the same reason.

Hi, Eric Stratton, rush chairman, damn glad to meet you.
 
Otter.:
ANT:
So everyone at UBS should be looked down on because 60-70 years ago people did business with the German government? What kind of retarded thinking is that.

UBS is a fine bank. Make money and don't listen to what anyone says. If your basing your decisions off what a bunch of Internet pussies think you have more issues to worry about.

I use an IBM, omggggg, noooooo, they did business with the Germans. Ohhh noooo.

Eh, I agree with you but I know more than one person of a similar ethnic group who has told me they are not comfortable buying BMWs for the same reason.

that is ridiculous...

The answer to your question is 1) network 2) get involved 3) beef up your resume 4) repeat -happypantsmcgee WSO is not your personal search function.
 
non-target <span class=keyword_link><a href=/finance-dictionary/what-is-the-bulge-bracket-BB><abbr title=bulge bracket&#10;>BB</abbr></a></span> Banker:
Folks, at least UBS is a top notch bank (top 3) in Asia Pacific except Japan.

I agree, but it's kind of unsettling to see that UBS' Asian operations were hit with quite a few high-profile defections in 2010. Most notably, UBS lost its chairman of Asian investment banking (and top guy in China), as well as its head of capital markets for Asia and its Head of Asian ECM.

They also lost Henry Koder this month to BAML which is another huge loss...

 
boutiquebank4life:
barcap ubs and baml are all crap.

elite boutique > gs > ms > JPM

I'm shooting for CEO, so the bigger, badder, more "FUCK YOU" politically connected the place is, the happier I am.
Get busy living
 
Il Cavaliere:
boutiquebank4life:
barcap ubs and baml are all crap.

elite boutique > gs > ms > jpm

I'd say prestige-wise it is: GS > MS = JPM > CS > Barcap > UBS > BofA > City > Wella Fargo > RBS

Of course if you take a look at these league tables JPM is way ahead!

LOL CITY? LOL Wells Fargo? LOL RBS?

Where the hell is DB? You include RBS and "Wella Fargo" but not DB? You a freshman?

 

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