Best Groups @ GS, JPM, MS NY IBD?
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Finally, someone asks this! It's about time rankings were brought up on WSO.
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I would say with rising interest rates and a lot of focus on financial institutions in the next several years, FIG at JPM or GS would be interesting and highly sought after. Also deal making hit an all time high in 2Q15 so I cant imagine this will continue at this pace for the next several years.
Just my take though man.
Best Desks within GS, MS, and JP (Originally Posted: 04/26/2013)
What are the best desks within Fixed Income at GS, MS, and JP?
Probably the ones next to any windows... or near the exit...
HAHAHAHAH I laughed out in a library, fuck you :))))
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lol fucking seabird. u are funny shit
GS Ops, MS Fund Services Account Manager, JPMChase bank teller at Times Square
GS, JPM, MS, and LEH (Originally Posted: 07/10/2008)
Hi Everyone,
I'd love if you could highlight the best Coverage groups in GS (I've heard TNT), JPM, MS, and LEH (I've heard CMG, FIG).
If you had to pick between JPM and MS, which would you go for and why?
Thanks so much.
for GS, it is not TNT its TMT. All of goldman's other groups are pretty good too.
JPM is very good at energy/nat res
MS good at FIG and TMT as well.
CMG is largest at lehman; might not be the best. The two best are Nat Res and FIG in my opinion.
At LEH, CMG, Nat Res, Consumer/Retail and FIG
whats TMT at GS?
telecom, media, tech
MS: M&A & RE?
Goldman's TNT group is legit, they are in on all the major dynamite deals.
MS best group: M&A execution JPM best group: M&A execution/Leveragd Finance I would choose JPM over MS..
i thought LevFin is getting hit really badly across the board and wont be hiring much... from my understanding they took zero SAs in JPM SLF this year.
i hear coverage groups like FIG and CHR are pretty good at JPMorgan
Read WSJ.. LevFin is starting to stabilize..
i love the fact that there is not one "star" member who replied.
this is a vapid thread.
Janitor is the best group for each
Disadvantages of top groups GS/MS/UBS/JPM (Originally Posted: 04/04/2007)
Everybody wants the best group at each BB. I read about
GS TMT MS M&A CS Levfin JPM Levfin UBS Healthcare GS FIG
What are the disadvantages of the top groups?
To start GS TMT:
Technology companies: Deals would be very small usually 1 bn US$ would be about the maximum in general, you probably won't be working on deals such as P&G acquires Gilette about 60 US$ bn!
Media: Not much activity and small deal size
Telecom: Life would be a hell for analysts, working hours would be till 0300am, telco's often change name all the time, it would be a hell to process and dig up all relevant information, information would be very difficult to obtain which would be making your life a hell...
Top group at JPM is M&A and sponsors at CS. IF you care about exit opps., I'd try getting into M&A at UBS also instead of HC.
He's right. If you care about exit opps.
Because if you are not in these particular groups, you will certainly be unemployed for life after your 2 years an analyst. You're just worthless if you didn't work in JPM's M&A group...you're life is over.
i dont think JPM m&a is the best.... its all transaction execution, not much thought or deal pitching/strategizing. im sure its great but it isnt necc. the best the bank offers.
plus-WHO CARES
transaction execution is the best way to learn for a junior banker... you don't really learn from pitching until you become more senior.
analysts in coverage aren't exactly strategizing big picture with the Cxx's of the world -- they're spreading comps and doing business profiles
The bad part is the hours might suck- BUT this is investment banking and the work should be more relevant.
many of them have more hours than the average group at any of the banks
more hours = more learning. at the end of the day, you should be lookin for learning opportunities at a first job out of college. build some human capital.
that isn't necessarily true. a lot of it is just more BS that you have to deal with. the hours aren't necessarily bad because its a top group, but because some of the top groups don't have the best culture for a lot of people...
agree; not necessarily true, but all things being equal if you work more hours usually it means there is more work to be done, which will result in you learning more.
hehe...wow, even after one gets into the top groups, its human nature to find faults..anyways!
is a big time sweat shop. 95+ hrs a week is standard from what people in the group have told me and all-nighters are common...the head of the group is insane and very demanding
with that said, UBS hc is the top HC group on the street
95+ a week is not a "big time sweatshop" in my opinion. 95 is about average for me. That being said, UBS has a great HC franchise. Not sure about how it's doing YTD, but in 2006 UBS HC was not #1 in M&A #deals or deal volume, they were #3, I believe.
For the original poster to think that media has little activity and small deal size clearly shows how limited his knowledge of dealmaking happens to be (hmmmm... VNU, Univision, Tribune, yard sale at Primedia, Clear Channel, Sirius-XM, etc.)
Regarding telcos, the fact that they change names has extremely little bearing on finding info on them (thank you Factiva and public filings) and won't alone warrant 3AM's constantly.
As you're clearly a student who wants banking (yet is obviously naive about what is going on in various sectors and acts as a pundit on the matter), maybe you should focus on just reading threads rather than writing in them.
Personally would not take FIG at JPM over HC/DI/M&A
Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley IBD - Best Groups (Originally Posted: 10/19/2007)
I know this topic HAS to have been discussed before, but the search function on this website isn't working for me, nor has it worked ever since the site changed. So I'm going to have to ask it again.
Other than TMT, what are the top groups at Goldman IBD? Industrials? FIG? If someone (preferably an employee) could list the top, say, 4 groups in the IBD at Goldman, I would really appreciate it.
Also, could someone (again, preferably an employee who is in the know) list the top 4 or so groups at Morgan Stanley? M&A would be 1, but what are 2-4?
Thanks so much, and again I apologize for asking what I am certain has been asked before, but I simply can't search for it on this site because the "search" function is, well, malfunctioning.
Thanks.
I just tried it and there are about 50 different posts about it so try again
Use less commas.
who cares - just go to the group that you click with best
"Your search yielded no results. Try some other criteria and be sure search terms are not common words or too short."
I just got that when I searched.
Anyone have an answer to my question though?
Top groups at Goldman, in no order: TMT, FIG, Industrials, Healthcare... Many of their groups are considered "Good". It would be redundant to list each and every one.
MS: M&A, Real Estate, FIG/Industrials are 2nd to Goldman, Healthcare.
Just look at the league tables.
Thanks for your help. I thought JPM Industrials was the best though? Also, Goldman doesn't have an M&A group. But yeah, I understand what you mean by "redundant."
[quote=baloogafish]Top groups at Goldman, in no order: TMT, M&A, FIG, Industrials, Healthcare... Many of their groups are considered "Good". It would be redundant to list each and every one. MS: M&A, Real Estate, FIG/Industrials are 2nd to Goldman, Healthcare. Just look at the league tables.
You clearly have no idea what you're talking about if you say GS M&A is one of GS's best groups.
Yes... my bad... did not mean M&A
Rankings are dumb. Very dumb. You would be beyond lucky to be in almost any group at any of these banks. Yes, FIG will be hot but so will healthcare. And M&A in general is hardly expected to slow down. In other words, there are a huge amount of great groups available that will have excellent upcoming deal flow and recruiting prospects at all three of these banks (as well as other banks, of course).
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