Oxford Shoes
Hi guys,
Just wanted your advice on reasonable shoes for 2011 SA class.
It seems as though cap toe oxford's are the way to go, but since AE's are fairly expensive and I can't seem to find any Johnston and Murphy's in Toronto, what do you think of the Bostonian Andover?
http://bostonian.zappos.com/n/p/p/7186551/c/72.ht…
Or, what do you think of these plain toe oxford's from ecco? (I don't like the visible logo but it should be covered by your trousers, anyway)
http://www.eccocanada.com/trentino-1.html
Thanks for your input.
Both are fine, technically speaking oxfords are more conservative (also am NOT a fan of logos on formal shoes) Having said this, get the ones that are on better sale
Also neither of the shoes are really proper oxfords bur rather a less formal kind of shoe called "derby" as they seem to have open lacing - which refers to the way the shoe is constructed - the sides of the shoe are sewn on top of the front part
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for this price range, i think cole haan makes nice stuff.
Just don't get anything with a square toe!
^ This. Absolutely avoid square toes. They're an easy way to look like you don't know how to dress.
I'm a big fan of wingtips. It would be good to have one pair of each.
ferragamo lorenzos or bust
Cole Haan or Johnston & Murphy Melton. Both classic, conservative cap toes for around $150.
I have the Bostonian pair, they're really comfotable for the money, I would recommend.
get the bostonians for now, but fyi, keep an eye on the styleforum.net buy and sell forums, i copped some Allen Edmonds from there (good condition) for over 50% off. They often have great deals.
^Agree with warhead. You can get some really high end stuff for cheap on styleforum. Though for a first pair of decent shoes I would go with the bostonians. You can get them at DSW for cheap as well ~$80-70 depending on a sale.
I generally don't like how shiny the Andover is. I had some Bostonian (non-shiny) cap toe that lasted forever. Ordered this one couple of days ago, just cause it was so cheap. Not sure how the quality will hold. They had the same on sale at Macy's for $55 http://www.boscovs.com/StoreFrontWeb/Product.bos?itemNumber=38871 http://www.macys.com/catalog/product/index.ognc?ID=276052
those eccos look ugly to me. i have an awesome pair of slip-on eccos w/out that stitching junk and they were perfect for SA.
AE park ave.
i've liked my bostonians, and if you have a syms near you, they're usually about 50 bucks a pop
I have the Johnston & Murphy Dawson Cap Toe, and I feel like I can run 5 miles in them they are so comfortable. Very reasonable, I got them on sale for $150 at Zappos.
Apparently they discontinued the Dawson Cap Toe, but they have others that are similar.
How about wingtips? I saw a pair at Aldos the other day that I really liked!
DO NOT buy
Aldo is shit.
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Tassle Weejuns that have been through the wash twice. Good Boston cracked-shoe look
Sign up for GILT Group. If you have until SA orientation to have a decent pair of shoes you'll have plenty of time to come across a better brand than you could otherwise normally afford.
Just make sure you sign up for pre-sale email notifications that let you know about a sale before it starts so you can grab your merchandise right away.
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The only problem with Gilt is that they rarely ever have 13s for us mafuggas with giant feet. Almost always caps at 12, leaving me out to dry.
Oxfords are a really good choice for a comfortable alternative to heels, and trendier than flats! There are numerous places that sell cheap versions if you are looking for just anything. I would check out Urban Outfitters - they have a lot of different options at reasonable prices. Otherwise, for extremely cheap pairs, look at Forever21.
Summer Analyst Clothing Questions - Shoes (Originally Posted: 05/16/2010)
Working at BB that is business formal 4 days out of the week, business casual on fridays. I have a couple of questions:
I have some relatively cheap black and brown oxfords. I'll stick with the black ones but I'm looking to get another pair of brown shoes because they look less formal than I would like. I would also like these brown shoes to work on both suit days (medium grey, navy blue) and business casual days. I wanted to know if a loafer type of shoes would work like these:
http://www.allenedmonds.com/aeonline/product_6470881_1_40000000001_-1?c…
or these:
http://www.allenedmonds.com/aeonline/product_6490171_1_40000000001_-1?c…
Are these common in banking or should I stick to oxfords? I feel that oxfords look weird with business casual.
Also, will dark khaki and olive green trousers work for business casual or should I go with navy and grey? I ask because I could just wear my navy and grey suit pants if I need to.
Thanks for any input.
Depends on the bank, but khakis should be fine for business casual - just make sure they are made of quality material and fit well - you don't want to look like you belong in IT. Generally, going a bit darker with your khakis helps there. I'd definitely say no to olive green trousers - this isn't the army.
Loafers are also probably a bit casual for an intern. If you do get them, stay away from the horse-bit, that's too flash. No need to limit yourself to oxfords, but in general, something with laces would be a good place to start.
Thanks for the help drexel. Here's what i'm looking at for the khaki and olive colors and quality of pant:
http://www.josbank.com/menswear/shop/Product_11001_10050_229094
[quote=aceofspadestrader]Thanks for the help drexel. Here's what i'm looking at for the khaki and olive colors and quality of pant:
http://www.josbank.com/menswear/shop/Product_11001_10050_229094[/quote]
Those look fine online, but I'd be worried what they'd look like in person. Also, at that price, I'd consider Hickey/Hickey Freeman or J. Press, which I think are better quality than Jos A. Bank
Gucci horsebit loafers are never a bad choice. For business casual, the Allen Edmonds Maxfield loafer is a nice choice, as are any of a number of AE's others or Cole Haan.
Also, for a dress shoe you can't go wrong with the Allen Edmonds Park Ave in black or burgundy (is it called merlot now?), or the Johnston Murphy Hyde Park II (basically a nicer/more comfortable version of the Melton). All three of these shoes are classic banker shoes and I see them a lot - you'd fit in just fine.
Good luck this summer buddy.
I looked at them in the store and they khaki seemed dark/dressy enough and the olive didn't look bad either.
The jos a bank pants are 2 for 1. No way would I drop $175 for those. Thanks for the recommendations though.
bump
Personally, I think that loafers are fine in a business formal environment. In London it's a different story... and don't get me started on brown shoes (I think the saying is "no brown in town" or something along those lines). New York is certainly more casual when it comes to dress standards, even in business formal environments. I really don't think that laced shoes are necessary.
Take my advice with a grain of salt as this is just what I've seen through experience (including client meetings, etc). If anyone has had a different experience, please share.
Actually, DMMSY is right. I definitely wore loafers as an intern in NYC.
Do you guys think these would work on a suit or are they too casual? They are a great deal btw:
http://www.Amazon.com/Allen-Edmonds-Mens-Campbell-Slip-on/dp/B00103OING/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top
I like the Presidio's a lot. Maybe because I own a pair, but they're really comfortable and look good
Presidio's have rubber soles. Can't work with that.
I have some Donald Pliners that are rubber soled and honestly, they are pretty comfortable. I have had those shoes for about 5 years and they are holding up pretty well. I will agree that I tend to prefer leather soles, but I don't think rubber is a taboo that so many people make it out to be.
^ def agree.
As for the Presidios.. the rubber sole is very well made and uses goodyear welt construction. 100% recraftable. tough to notice that its even rubber
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Oxford Shoes - american brands? (Originally Posted: 06/05/2008)
Hi guys,
Im starting my SA internship in London in July and was thinking of buying a pair of oxford shoes. Im going to Los Angeles and San Francisco next week and was thinking about getting a pair in the states since the usd is so cheap. What American brands would you recommend, besides Johnston & Murphy, which are good if compared to Crocket & Jones and Churches?
Thanks!
allen edmonds has good shoes, a bit more expensive compared to j&m though..i think their cheapest ones start at 250-300 with most shoes in the 300s and up...park avenues and sohos are very popular (own a pair of these myself and like them lots). i've heard lots of people say they found great deals on ebay but haven't had much luck with size 12/13s myself...but there do seem to be a lot of shoes available online in smaller sizes
alden has a boutique in san fran.
those are pretty much the only two brands you need to consider. and for what it's worth, allen edmonds at regular price is already cheaper than alden, and the ebay deals for AE make the price difference that much greater.
SA Shoes S&T (Originally Posted: 03/28/2012)
Do you guys think it's fine to wear loafers with a suit during a summer analyst internship in S&T?
Something like this: http://bostonian.clarksusa.com/eng/product/parkdale/20335
gross
just buy regular shoes. its not that hard.
Honestly, no one will care. Unless you come in wearing some gaudy shoes or sneakers that stand out no one will notice.
Why would you be wearing a suit?
When I did my SA stint, my goal was to go as casual as possible. You have to feel it out. I got away with sperrys.
yikes
Just buy some normal looking shoes for crying out loud
those shoes look retarded. regardless, no one will give a shit.
Those things are ugly are fuck.
Try something like these. http://www.allenedmonds.com/aeonline/producti_SF1607_1_40000000001_-1
Wear lace ups with a suit, but I don't think you'll be wearing a suit for a S&T internship.
Thanks for the input. Any recommendations for loafers when not wearing a suit? Links to pictures would be helpful.
here you go:
http://www.target.com/c/men-shoes-oxfords/-/N-5xu1t
the ones running $15 look as good as any to me.
please don't buy those
ferragamo loafers or j murphy makes some decent ones for around a hundred if u don't want to splurge
Troll.
If your price range is ~100 go with Johnston Murphy If you px range is ~200 go with Allen Edmonds Park Ave Lace ups. You'll use them for the rest of your Wall street career assuming you take care of them.
I suggest the AE's
NYC SA Shoes (Originally Posted: 05/24/2014)
Are these shoes appropriate for a SA at a top BB in NYC this summer? My dress code is biz casual, slacks with shirt, no tie or jacket on a typical day.
And yes I searched, I just wanted to get an opinion on these shoes exactly.
http://www.allenedmonds.com/aeonline/producti_SF42470_1_40000000001_-1_
http://www.allenedmonds.com/aeonline/producti_SF40002_1_40000000001_-1_
http://www.allenedmonds.com/aeonline/producti_SF270_1_40000000001_-1_
http://www.allenedmonds.com/aeonline/producti_SF31420_1_40000000001_-1_
All those in brown colors, I plan on just getting one tie up and one slip on.
Thanks!
Definitely get the Park Avenues. Those are classic, very popular, and will last you a while.
As for the others, I really like the Walden and Verona. The Lowry Hill tassels look far too tacky in my opinion.
Between the Walden and Verona, I t the Walden is probably a safer bet as some might consider the horse bit on the Verona a tad too aggressive for an SA. That being said though, if you feel comfortable with it then by all means go with the Verona.
My vote goes to the Walden penny loafers. Park Aves are the most versatile if you ever anticipate wearing a suit, sure, but they're still boring. Tassel loafers... no, unless you qualify for AARP ;). Bit loafers are risky. People might give you some shit for wearing them as an intern. Btw, those are some expensive shoes you're checking out. You could easily spend half of the money on full price shoes from Cole Haan or Sebago.
Thanks for the input! I've been working at a small HF since Freshman year so I've got plenty of cash saved up. I also figure that the higher quality clothes you buy the more use you get out of them bringing the long term cost down.
I'd go with options 2 or 4. Let the horse bits and tassels fly at the top of the BB's.
I would buy the Park Ave. For loafers, just buy Gucci, but I wouldnt wear those as an intern to be honest.
I like the Park Avenue the best because it is a timeless design.
Black and brown Park Ave's and Waldens. Also, I have the Verona's and FYI they are super narrow, you might need a size up... just sayin. Also, definite "no" on the tassels. Also, I would recommend the Firenze over the Verona.
SA Shoes (Originally Posted: 05/09/2014)
Hey guys my gf bought me a Jos A Bank gift card (I know very frowned upon in this community). Anyways I have an SA stint coming up in NY. I was wondering if these shoes would be ok to wear? I've been cautioned against light brown shoes....I would wear them with a navy suit.
http://www.josbank.com/menswear/shop/Product_11001_10050_324578
Those are perfectly fine. TBH your SA shoes will end up being your beater shoes come FT.
Yeah those look good. Honesty it doesn't matter what shoes you get. I bought some shitty $70 light brown shoes from Nordstrom Rack for my SA.
dude i think they look great don't even worry about it
Awesome, thanks guys.
I bought a pair of these for my SA stint last year and they worked well. Just a heads up, idk how much that gift card is for but I got them for ~$65 at macys
I prefer the Melton Cap Toe from J&M, but the one you posted is fine
I like those. They're fine.
SA shoes opinion (Originally Posted: 05/15/2011)
What do guys think about the three below? I'm working at a small boutique but would also like shoes for FT interviews this Fall. Not a huge fan with lace ups but I can live. Will either of the first two be good for interviews? low on cash so I can only buy one...
http://www.zappos.com/florsheim-richfield-slip-on-black-ultimo?zlfid=111
http://www.zappos.com/bostonian-clinton-black-kidskin?zlfid=111
http://www.zappos.com/bostonian-andover
Thanks
I actually just bought the third shoe for like $70 at an outlet. It's a good shoe for the price. I'd only go with lace-ups for interviews though.
Third pair
I have the third pair as well. I didnt love them at first because they seemed really conservative. I wore them for the first time to a final round BB interview, started liking them that first day and then i found out I got the offer. It was all the shoes haha..
but ya they are solid shoes and you will start to liek them.
get the third.
Third
Loafers? They are great for 70-year-olds who have trouble crouching to tie their shoes. If you don't have those problems, go with lace-ups. Bostonian also has a model that usually sells for $60-70 at Macy's- would be a good choice.
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No 3
I would go with the first pair so you can wear them to your Sr. Prom as well! (read-3 is a good choice.)
Third one for sure!
Guys, there's a less expensive Bostonian that looks similar. It's at nearly every Macy's in the northeast; you can pick it up for about $70. There's often a coupon that Macy's produces for 20% off, bringing the price to $56. That's what I would recommend.
who needs Groupon when you have IlliniProgrammer? haha
hit me up if you ever decide to sell micro equity stakes
IP will appreciate this, go to the outlet mall nearest you. You'll find the name brand shoes for less.
Rockports or Bust, NEEEEXXXXT
horsebits
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If you're going to pay $115 for the 3rd shoe, might as well cough up another $50 and get the Johnston & Murphy Melton balmoral. If you can get it for $70 as IP suggests, then it's a good deal.
don't mean to hijack, but how many pairs of shoes should a FT BB analyst be looking at? i was thinking 2 so you can rotate a pair to every other day, some have said 3.
all oxfords if it's a conservative group?
I'd say the majority of the finance professionals I know wear loafers as opposed to lace-ups.
My dad always wears loafers (except when going to a more formal meeting) because he travels a lot and they are comfortable.
Really for an SA it doesn't matter that much. How much you spend isn't important, if you can find two pairs that aren't ridiculously fashion-forward for say $50 a piece, go for it. Nobody is going to call you out on having cheap shoes unless they look like shit, and most of the cheaper options don't look like shit, they're just not as durable and sure as hell not hand made.
phantom +1 for Illini
Dont listen to Illini, that guy wouldnt buy or wear shoes if he didnt have to just to save money. Choose number 3 so you wont look like an idiot on your first day. You are better off getting one quality pair of shoes than getting two shitty pairs. Do yourself a favor and save rubber soled shoes for the gym (leather soles only).
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