Crazy Networking - Standing Outside Buildings for Buy Side Networking
I'm planning on going to the financial district and literally stand outside the buildings where the big hedge funds are and trying to catch an analyst (Pershing Capital, Greenlight Capital).
Or even trying to catch Einhorn, Ackman
Any cons against this? I go to Cornell and I don't have access to the NYC finance life.
I'm pretty comfortable approaching random people. I chat up girls in union square lols.
I'm wondering if theres any downside to this. Like whats the worse they can do? I'm literally a nobody
Honestly i think it shows dedication like what mark cuban did to be successful. some people go the extra mile and if you've never tried it you should try it. ive gotten dates approaching girls off the street in union square.
I plan on just being direct as possible. "hi do you work at x capital" . "i'm not going to waste any of your time but i'm a student at Cornell and was literally just standing out here so i could talk to someone who worked at x capital." i dont have any connections and i find no other way to do so in the funds i'm interested. it'd be cool if you could talk to me for a sec."
I dont think its that hard and i'm a f*cking nobody. you guys realize that theres literally nothing to lose. theyre not going to remember a random kid who approached them.
The cons are that this cannot possibly do you any good and people will think you are a crazy person, and if they remember your face in the future then this crazy idea could follow you around indefinitely, negatively impacting your career for the foreseeable future.
Your first problem is that those guys don't work in the financial district, nor do a lot of the big name funds
This is probably the worst idea ever. Youre telling me there's no Cornell alum you can email?
Seems like 'desperate times desperate measures'. I would say go for it.
good idea! bring your guitar along and sing too. place a hat in front of you as well.
I would like to know exactly how you plan to approach these people? If you can hit up a guy walking out of a building and somehow make that guy a connection I am seriously impressed with your networking skills. How do you think the conversation might go?
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can someone please throw monkey shit at this guy. he's the worst troll I've ever seen in that his post is way too long, filled with bad cliché's, and generally not funny
can someone please throw monkey shit at this guy. he's the worst troll I've ever seen in that his post is way too long, filled with bad cliché's, and generally not funny
honestly i think it shows dedication like what mark cuban did to be successful. some people go the extra mile and if you've never tried it you should try it. ive gotten dates approaching girls off the street in union square.
i plan on just being direct as possible. "hi do you work at x capital" . "i'm not going to waste any of your time but i'm a student at Cornell and was literally just standing out here so i could talk to someone who worked at x capital." i dont have any connections and i find no other way to do so in the funds i'm interested. it'd be cool if you could talk to me for a sec."
i dont think its that hard and i'm a fucking nobody. you guys realize that theres literally nothing to lose. theyre not going to remember a random kid who approached them.
No doubt it shows dedication - and courage. By all means try it, I was actually being sincere when I wrote that you have serious skills if you can pull it off and genuinely interested in how that conversation might go. If you meet the right person at the right time it might work. Best of luck with it, would like to know how it goes.
And seriously, being a "nobody" has a way too negative ring to it and I highly doubt that you are. Can't we call it being "somebody in the rough"?
i'm just going to try it to tell you what results i get. you have a limiting belief in what you can do. you've never even tried it once and you denounce it as crazy.
i know a kid who flew to emory university to talk to a counselor when he was waitlisted and he supposed to talk to her on the phone but instead went there in person and he got in. people love people who are motivated. i'm obviously not going to be a crazy hobo.
honestly i'm going to try this out. if it goes negative i'll report back. seems like a lot of you on the forum are pretty closed minded and emotionally conservative - figures since its all finance people.
just because i feel sorry for some of you heres a video
yeah and its definitely fake or the girls are hired :)
yo, go for it. i am thinking about doing the same outside 200 west. idgaf. its ballsy and it should be appreciated.
This is dumb - nor does that strategy prove you have a genuine interest or passion for the work. You'd be better suited reading books on investing and putting write ups together and getting them in front of PMs at these places - have them vet/provide feed back. No one is going to view you as ambitious for walking up to them. You actually need to put in the work kid - which it is clear you have not
No access to alum in finance? there are tons of alum from Cornell at investment firms... I think David Einhorn himself went to Cornell... So did Seth Klarman
Did I tell you that I'm not doing anything on my end? I've leveraged my alumni network, contacted several people already. I want an in the hedge fund industry and sure it'd be great if I had Einhorn's email unfortunately its not listed on the Cornell website. What a shame. Dur
And I've been trading the markets everyday with my savings for 2 months now and spend 50+ hours a week studying buy opportunities. Basically this is a big FUCK YOU i'm trying it out. Just sit back and relax
Exactly. And furthermore, the OP's instinct to make a hail Mary pass like this in an attempt to get a job, rather than pursue a disciplined, time-consuming strategy, such as doing well in school, crafting investment ideas, and also building up a real network, a network of friends who have some reason to do you a favor, for instance, does not speak well for how he will approach investing.
I don't view it as a hail mary pass. I'm doing all the regular shit already. Emails and emails and emails. MY circle of friends are all engineering and science because I wanted to be a doctor, researcher. I have a lack of friends in finance.
Instead of attacking me personally on my investing skills which you know nothing about (I'm up 16%), just sit back and relax. I'll report back if I fail/succeed.
Unlike most of you I'm not afraid to push my comfort zone and experiment.
Ok.
(1) You do not need "friends in finance". I have never gotten an interview from a person my age in finance. You go to Cornell. There are a fuckton of alumni. Email them.
(2) There is no return number that will impress. If you can put up 15-20% per year in a variety of market conditions, over a period of years, using a scalable strategy, then you can talk about it.
(3) The downside risk is huge. If some kid approached me like you are suggesting, I would immediately question his judgement. It's like if an aspiring actor hid outside Tom Hanks's house. The downside risk is so much larger than just an email followed up by coffee / dinner.
Clearly you lack maturity or you've never received constructive criticism before (which at times can be harsh - BUT reality) because the few comments that you have received you turn them around and talk about how we should "sit back and relax" because you are up 15%+ (FYI no one gives a shit). At the end of the day - you came here looking for advice (which you should) - but be advised your attitude gets you no where in this business...fast - its called humility
I didint bash you, i offered an alternative - which is sit down, read books on investing and put together ideas (its an iterative process that takes time) and then contact alumni (once you are informed). Whether you are doing this or not was not communicated to us nor does someone who spends that kind of time - uses your approach.
I dont think its a horrible idea at all...what is the downside? Worst comes to worst you will have a good story to tell...
Just do it. There's no downside other than wasted time. I don't know where people get the idea that this could ruin your career... There's just no way that would happen. Some people are so risk averse, they're afraid of everything.
Worst case scenario: the guy thinks you're a weirdo and doesn't hire you. He probably wouldn't have hired you anyway.
Don't forget to wear suspenders with dollar signs on them. This will greatly increase your odds of being taken seriously.
What happens when you look desperate to girls?
I'm guessing there is a 90% chance this guy is a troll but I'm almost hoping he is not - building security might whip out a taser and it could make for a hilarious youtube video.
Its a huge turnoff. Lol. You provide value to people - thats what makes people like you. And you can frame these interactions so that you're providing value to the people you cold approach. Don't come up as approval seeking and be straight with your intentions.
And no I'm not saying go up to girls and say "Lets bang."
Haha that WOULD be funny. I'll record my conversation if you guys want to hear what I say I'll post a link if I'm successful. If I fail then I won't submit my convo and I'll post back that I sucked dick on the forums.
Tell me what the downside risk? Will they memorize my face out of all the thousands of students that are applying to their firm? I'm obviously not going to disclose my name unless the interaction is going well. Its like when you approach a girl in the club - you never see them again. They're definitely not going to remember me if I have a poor interaction unless I fuck up majorly like yelling "PENIS."
I can also frame the interaction if you react that way. And I'll be honest that this is rather unconventional and weird. And I won't waste your time.
I appreciate your advice, but I'm going to do it just so I can report back what happens. I'll tell you the negatives / positives if there are any. I'm not saying I'm a social master genius badass and I literally don't have any idea whats going to happen. Hell like you said it might go horribly.
Yeah I realized that. I googled their building. I'm going to be targeting famous hedge funds that I have literally no idea how to access. I obviously wont be going after the big banks where there are plenty of Cornell alumni working as analysts. I'm planning on going there after trading hours end and when I'm off work.
I commend your balls, and I like the go getter attitude.
However, you're a stupid motherfucker.
No offense but what kind of value proposition are you trying to sell?
Its pretty rad that your thinking about going guns blazing but no one is going to hire you for HF/Buyside unless you can bring alpha to the table
How do you plan on differentiating the HF analysts from the hundreds of other people that work in the building? Granted that some of the big shot PMs may be recognizeable, but it'd be very hard to figure out who is who with out asking everyone that comes outside "are you a HF analyst?" I just can't imagine you being able to coming off as completely awkward by the fact that you'll need to somehow have them identify themselves as HF analysts before you can even start talking with them about other things/networking.
Goodluck though
That would not be a problem if he stays outside the building to try to chat people up. Although if more than a few students take the OP's cue (and now that he has posted this on the internet so quite possibly some will) and all try the same approach at the same time the place can quickly turn into a circus.
your problem is going to be that the buildings are generally very large so that even if you stake out the right ones the odds of a hit are very low...for example where I work there are 50+ floors and 2 of them are hedge funds that you would want to target. Within those two firms there are probably only 25 guys at each that even matter in terms of hiring you. And there are two sides of the building that people leave on. So the point is you could sit out there for hours and not speak to one relevent person. You will spend alot of time aproaching random people who work for insurance companies, law firms, and the like. I think you have a way better shot staking out a couple of the large banks where at least you know that you are going to speak with an employee of the right firm.
But I definitely wish you good luck and think this is a good idea...it would actually be a fun thing to do in my book...anything that pushes your comfort zone cant be 100% bad.
Thank god I'm not in the us lol
Probably a better idea just to hangout the super expensive restaurants these guys go too. I know in Chicago plenty of the big wigs frequent the same places. I've met a ton of Politicians and Finance execs at my favorite spot in Chicago. Its expensive but get the know the bartender tip him well and eventually he will be introducing you to the execs.
I once saw John Paulson come out of one of the elevators in the building I work in. I never realized his hedge fund and my bank shared the same office building. Funny thing is no one other than myself seemed to take notice of the guy. Granted, he was a little nonchalant. I expected him to walk out of the lobby into a chauffeur driven car, but nope, he instead was headed in the direction of the subways. If you didn't recognize him, you would have never guessed that the guy was worth a billion dollars several times over...
Yep Paulson is a nice, un assuming guy, when he is not screwing you over with designer CDOs. He takes the 6 to/from his home on the UES and and the 7 to LI on his way to his house in the Hamptons.
P.S. His kids attend a private school on the UES that is also attended by many other Wall St. bigshots so the OP can go ambush him there next time when his kids get out of school.
What's the update?
LOL. Thats so creepy you know all that info. I'm doing this on the week of August 12th as my internship ends then
BTW, where do you work for your current internship?
OK Will Smith.
Let me ask you one important question:
Are you a hott chick?
Gonna feed the troll post... Why would he take the 7 to LI? That makes no sense. If he lives in the Hamptons, and wants to take a train, he'll most likely take the LIRR at Penn Station.
Read Greg Zuckerman's The Greatest Trade Ever. It is all in there. Maybe Zuckerman is the one trolling?
The con is getting a restraining order.
Pro: You've got nothing to lose, right? Cons: Dangerously creepy/desperate.
I'll be honest. If I were you, I wouldn't take this approach, given that I'm absolutely positive there's some Cornell alum in the industry that you could connect with. But, I'm very interested to see how it turns out, and unlike some of the other debbie downers over here, I think there's a very slim chance you could pull this off.
Also, did you think about direct calling or dropping in on HR? Or talking to the secretaries/admins inside the building about opportunities or getting contact info? Might be a little better than waiting outside the building and trying to flag down a rando, all stalker status. Just a suggestion.
Yeah, I kind of like this idea. Find the admins for the fund you want to work for, pick the fattest and most unattractive one, and just do awful things with her. After a night of complete regret and blinding memories, you'll have a good in.*
*I am not a doctor and you may die from this
One night of shame for a spot in the interview pool? I've done more for less.
bro you go to Cornell. Why do you need to do this again?
I actually did this before when I was an intern. I didn't wait outside buildings, but I'd go to every analyst conference available to me and try to chat with people after. some people actually will talk to you as they're staying around for free food or a glass of wine or wtv.
they never ended up helping me, but some gave me their business cards or left me with a few kind words of advice. I wasn't persistent in reaching out to them later though as I was completely clueless about markets / couldn't write a decent research report to send.
some people will look at you funny. but they'll just walk away and never think of the incident again. lots of awkward silences even with the people who are nice. just be direct and ask for advice. don't try to fake a relationship as you'll just waste everyone's time. small talk is ok but don't drag it ou
if you're invited, ask the guy who got you into the event for an introduction during the lunch break. that's if you can even find a way into these conferences.
Here's a better idea to which you can apply your drive: write up 3 L/S ideas in a detailed manner in the style of your favored funds (e.g. Greenlight), post them to SumZero, rinse/repeat until you get voted idea of the week. Then they will get in touch.
There's 2 ways in: being connected (because it gets your fund information and capital) and being very smart (because it generates returns, in theory). Since you clearly don't have the first, you gotta try the 2nd. It is however rather hard.
Almost everyone is making money in this QE (think heroine) induced rally.
I don't think you're going to achieve your goal of meeting the people you want to meet (hundreds of people - you going to stop every one as they funnel in the door?), and you're going to look retarded, and probably get shoo'd away by security - but do it anyway.
You're a young college kid, and this will just be some shit that you will laugh about every time you think about it in a few years. And if you do end up being successful in the future, it will be a great story to tell.
I doubt this will damage your odds for future employment.
I honestly think this strategy will get you nowhere and you'll have a hard time even finding a HF analyst. However, there is very little downside risk.
Either way I say go for it. Less for your benefit and more for our entertainment. Do you have a GoPro that you could use?
Sucessful Troll is Sucessful.
lol. I can't believe I got so much drama on this thread. There's literally no downside risk except wasting my time and being seen as a creepo. Luckily this is NYC and not my school. Honestly I think it'd be fun meh
LOL and awesome I got on the home page
You have a gift kid. I would bet there's less than 0.0001% of people in this world would do something like that.
I am not in NYC so can't exactly tell you which bars these guys hang out at, but that is also a good place to do random networking.
There is absolutely nothing to lose if you don't go batshit crazy. Best of luck.
And no this isn't my only method. Theres a JP Morgan event I'm going to this week and I sent 100+ emails already. Setting up some lunches. So yeah Ive already done the traditional thing. I'm also doing this for a summer internship not a full time job... meh
That is the spirit! Go out there and have fun. Who knows. You might actually get lucky by being at the right place and the right time. Say, some trader just cashed in his million dollar bonus and in a really good mood and might see you as his lucky charm and take you under his wing.
Ever watch the movie "Pursuit of Happiness"?
Honestly I don't understand why so many finance nerds are bashing on this guy lol. If hes out there hustling, props to him. The people shitting on him are probably the same kids that would shit themselves if they ever had to hit on a random girl at a bar.
Worse comes to worse, these analysts think your a creepo and forget about you in 5 minutes. What are they gonna say, "oh yeah weird asian guy tried to hit me up for a job." Okay, over.
I personally think you would have a better chance at a bar where you can strike up a convo though.
This is indeed an insane idea, but you will be golden if this works. Go for it, OP. Good luck. Post results.
OP, if you've got a small camera you could put somewhere on you where it'd be inconspicuous (yeah I know that's probably impossible), I'd be really interested to see what goes on when you do this (how you approach people, how they react, how the conversations go). I personally don't really imagine it being particularly effective but, as many have said, there's no downside so why not? Best of luck Asian Dark Vader.
You might get someone to actually come up to you if you stand out there with a big sign around your neck that says:
"Will work for carry."
(don't actually do this)
Love it! Not sure why so many people consider this a bad idea. It will probably get you nowhere, but it will be a memorable experience and you'll have a fun story to tell.
As long as you don't overdo it & piss people off, you really don't have anything to lose. I had to pound the pavement too when I first got into the business. No matter what happens, pls get your forays on a youtube channel. I will subscribe & watch (and hopefully get a few laughs). Good luck
People, including wealthy/famous PMs, will listen to you if you have good ideas that can add value to their funds. But I'd be shocked if you impress them by stalking. There are tons of kids who 'show they're motivated' in this industry. And your hypersensitivity and arrogance is off-putting.
Further, there are significantly less creepy ways to contact them...
Go for it... A buddy of mine from another ivy league school did that, and got an internship at McKinsey--the rest is history. Every day, he put on his suit, took his resume in his backpack and went to their offices and stood outside. He because one of their youngest Associates--ever. I think it's great. Don't listen to guys on here from dorm rooms, or who don't have the grind in them... Give it a try--trust me, we all laughed at him and thought he was crazy... Although he missed out on some of the college experience, he crushed it professionally...
Just be ready to say something 'smart' when someone actually listens...
Are you going to be peacocking when you try and chat these folks up too?
Maybe leave the creepy pickup artist techniques at home....
Yes I'm going to wear goggles and high platform shoes ofc.
GS
"I don't have access to the NYC finance life."
Works at GS.
Yup, troll'd.
Who works in FiDi anymore? This kid is going to look like an idiot.
What an idiot. Just as doing sometimes like that won't get you girls, it won't get you any jobs. 100%.
Be on the lookout because it might get you arrested. I'd call the police on you.
Why have you not considered going to a popular Wall St. bar and starting a conversation over a cold beer with some strangers. I'm sure people on here could point you to a good spot. Look for someone that looks successful and have a real conversation. That way you're not bothering people during their busy workday schedule and it wil minimize the probability of you looking like an annoying fool. This is how I would approach it.
How did Bud Fox get into GG's office?
Cubans.
Lol well I can attest to you that it does get girls. Go to union square. There's quite a bit of guys doing it. The ones that actually try at least -
. You can say its fake/hired girl whatever. It doesn't make me feel bad. I've personally tried it before. Yes you do get rejected/flakes but you also get some solid girls.
Not 21. I'd actually do that if Brass Monkey didn't take my ID away. And also I mentioned its not like I don't have access to the other things - I'd just like to try something new and expand my scope. Just today I actually have set several meetups with portfolio managers, wall street guys via cold emailing.
Lol I didn't realize this post was going to be so popular so just randomly threw out a location. I've since now done my homework and will be stalking people in midtown
OP will be more successful in the long-run than most of the keyboard warriors telling him it's a bad idea. This takes serious gumption and cojones.
Weird asian kid trying to use pick-up lines from RSDnation on hedge fund traders outside of their building as they are rushing to meet deadlines and make a meeting by attempting to mimic sob-story scenes from Pursuit of Happyness?
The fact that you have mentioned you can pick up desperate chunky girls standing around Union Square with canned "pick up" lines is laughable. How much push-pull cocky funny did you use brah? So alpha of you.
I guess in some alternate universe where life is actually like the movies, then he might actually get helped by a kind stranger willing to lend an ear while on his way to his Ferrari parked down the street to pick up his hot-ass wife.
"The greatest risk you can take in life is not to risk it all."
Was my post that much of a reality check that all you could reply with was my signature?
You obviously don't understand the meaning of the quote (just like how you didn't know that FiDi is basically deserted).
Like others have said, there is much more better ways to use your time than stand there and basically "pick up" employees.
But then again, I guess if you do somehow find a way to succeed, they can make a movie out of you in 20 years. I guess not actually, since you come from Cornell.
Yes I'm deeply hurt. I cried myself to sleep last night. And that quote has many interpretations derp. Anyways not going to waste anytime arguing with people on here. I'm out of here until I post results.
I like this guy. Cojones.
Tossing me monkey shit aside, looks like he has the balls to actually pull this one off, albeit he still sounds like a wannabe pick up artist.
If he can roll with the punches even after all these insults and put-downs, maybe he's not a cry baby after all.
OP, good luck.
Waiting to see a link to an article titled, "Kid accosts Ichan, gets beat down my ancient Dell computer"
Stalking is a crime: that's why I have a concealed weapons permit. Also, picketing without a permit is illegal.
u dont have a concealed carry permit in NYC i can virtually guarantee that...unless you are gaurding the mayor or something they don't really exist and u can go to jail for two years for carrying (ask plaxico burress). So he is unlikely to get shot.
He'd have more chance to get tossed in front of a subway train or something by a very angry New York financier.
go for it
It's better to have balls than not, even if the effort is misguided.
http://www.businessinsider.com/michael-penn-coffee-stand-for-bank-job-2…
Wow. This fruit got a website and everything. At least his efforts are not misguided and not harassing people.
Is it actually him though? Didn't he say he wanted to go outside hedge fund buildings and not GS? He said he's curently doing an internship at GS
Is it actually him though? Didn't he say he wanted to go outside hedge fund buildings and not GS? He said he's currently doing an internship at GS
notice his username is 'azn' the guy on the video is clearly not 'azn' HAHA
This is not a smart idea - the outcome is binary - the alternatives that the other posters have recommended have a higher number of positive outcomes. If you do what you say you are going to do, despite the good advice not to, you will either 1) maybe gain one contact or 2) waste a whole lot of time. I don't see it as ambitious or a "go-getter" attitude, it's a lazy and easy approach - it's much more difficult to take the advice provided by the other posters and spend your time writing up investment pitches and taking advantage of your vast alumni network. You will at least get experience pitching investment ideas and get your name out there with a positive association to it. This approach is still seen as ambitious, only it also has the positives of showing you have passion for investing and can do the work you will be hired to do (anybody can sit outside of a building and panhandle). I think people who say you have nothing to lose are wrong - it is time that you're surely lose. I don't see a benefit if it doesn't work out (no knowledge or experience gained).
Another alternative would be to create some valuable content (investment ideas) create a blog/website and instead of walking up to random people with nothing to offer, hand them a well written investment idea and tell them you have a lot more where it came from at www.johndoe.com (you can have your resume etc. on the site/blog). With this approach, if you hand a pitch to someone that doesn't work in the industry, they still might know someone in the industry and be impressed enough to let them know about some random guy that walked up to them with a good idea and point them to your site. (although this idea requires time and work)
Definitely one of the worst ideas I have ever read about on WSO
good luck OP!
All else fails, he could just sell donuts to GS employees for a living...
great fucking idea homes; fuck the naysayers. define the worst, accept it, and move forward! Immer forwarddd!
SO RESULTS TIME! I'll be honest it was pretty hard to be a weirdo and approach dudes. No luck on finding Pershing Square, Icahn, Third Point, famous hedge fund guys BUT... out of 15 or so dudes. 6 probably were turned off and walked away really quickly lol. 5 went no where...
BUT heres the fun part. Met 4 upper management guys who are down to help me out/possibility of interning with them next summer
1) Hedge fund manager - small fund 2) Hedge fund manager - bigger fund 3) Chief Technical Analyst of a middle market ibank 4) CEO of a venture capital fund.
There's still Friday to harass people. Cheers
Nice job.
Wow, I'm impressed you actually followed through and managed to get some contacts. But like everyone else said, surely there are quite a few Cornell alumni that you could be e-mailing / calling up instead? Seems like that would be a much more effective use of time.
i think contacting alums would definitely be the way to go but I don't have access to the alumni database until I graduate.. i leave nyc on saturday. but i'm going to try to meet some cornell alums when i'm in LA for the week before I leave for school
You don't need necessarily the alumni database. Search for Cornell people on Linkedin who work in hedge funds then go to their company websites and try and figure out their work e-mails or just message then directly on Linkedin.
Update:
Met a director from a boutique investment bank listed on NYSE. don't know if its solid but he said he'd forward my resume
Met a portfolio manager at a advisory group that definitely wants to keep in contact with me.
Haha keep it up, you got courage that's for sure!
Good job dude. Anyone who has the balls to do this would definitely move up in my book.
I initially thought you were a nut, but am now admiring your balls-to-the-wall style of pounding the pavement. Job hunting out there with the rat race is a fu**ing war. If you can eventually pull off an offer or two out of all this, you will have a great story to tell your grandkids!
i mean its not something that i would do everyday. i kind of just wanted to play around with it. i did contact alumni - i got a few bites.
i'm only still in contact with 2. talked to one guy today and he's going to push for me for an internship in a prominent long only fund. i kind of fell off networking - took a year off school cuz shit hit the fan
Did you try Citi offices in Tribeca by any chance? I swear I saw a kid two Fridays ago approach a trader I know outside the building and engage him. Seems to coincide perfectly with your "last Friday in NYC" you talked about.
I did this last week and screw anyone who says this is a bad idea. I come from a non-target and while one man called me crazy, another director at a BB firm gave me his card, took my resume and we are scheduled for a phone conversation. NEVER take no for an answer. Stay positive and make yourself stand out. This is a great way to do it. It shows that you are motivated.
If you are attending Cornell, you are already desirable and the fact that you are willing to humble yourself to stand outside and ask for help for a job shows that you want to work for there and you will work hard. And who wouldn't hire someone who wants to work them so badly?! I know I would want a loyal employee!
I am POSITIVE that people will think you are crazy. BUT I am also positive that people will think you are motivated, confident go-getter. And that is valuable.
GO GET EM!
Sounds like good work OP. I have thought about doing something like this. I don't think its so great having the guts to do this, I think whats great about it, is it shows how motivated you are.
I have been looking for a while (I have experience, CFA, etc.) and I am having no luck. Connecting through linkedin has a very low response rate by sending inmail (I think the only people who respond are those who are in transition themselves) and emailing (when I can find their email) has not yielded any results. I've only contact 50+ people though.
The best bet by far, I find is to go to networking events and met people.
Stalking people is not a good look. I think the last person who randomly talked to me on the street was on some serious drugs, and I wasn't sure if they were going to stab me or go on their merry way. Either way I was highly annoyed and ready to kick some ass.
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