Is starting a career at a major pension fund a good place to learn about investing.
I am currently at a non-target in Northern California and have been looking around for opportunities in the local area, and the best I could find was top pension funds such as CalPERS and CalSTRS. I was curious if taking a job in the investment office and working there for a bit could be a good opportunity to eventually lead to sell side roles such as research or trading. My end goal would be to be on the buy side, at either AM or HF, but that is definitely a long shot from where I am now. I know doing an MBA or a CFA can help with that transition; however, I was mainly curious about the roles at these places and what exits they could offer me after working there for 2 years or so after graduating.
The names you mentioned are basically equivalent, in many ways, to starting at an Asset Management firm. They have their own internal staffs, investment teams, etc. and more often than not will have an investment consultant over top of all of it whose tasks will vary.
Most of the junior type roles are a real mix of tasks - that could be interfacing with the consultants they work with on the plan, supporting things like attribution/performance reporting, manager analysis, economic research, or depending on the strategy/asset class supporting the direct investment of assets. For the most part - what I've seen is you'll get a broader experience, more as an asset allocator than a direct investor - and as you go, you can specialize or take advantage of opportunities that exist. Your mileage will vary - it very much depends on the fund, team, and even the state - at that level, there are politics involved that usually don't roll down too far but it can impact overall stability and trajectory.
Generally - the exits are a few places. Consultants are one route, where you take your experience to one of those (i.e. Callan, Mercer, Cambridge, etc.) or an OCIO provider (i.e. discretionary consultant). Most likely you'll have experience on the more macro side, manager research, due diligence of asset classes, setting up a strategic asset allocation, making changes to the portfolio, sourcing/implementing investments. If you end up in a role where you are working on directly investing - say that FI example I used earlier - you might have additional opportunities. You'll also build out a pretty good network - people move around and it can be a good place to get experience + network to leverage. Certainly, if you are only there a few years, you can get a CFA and then take that experience to other roles, firms, etc.
A very well laid out overview of starting a career at an allocator. But, it would be very difficult to transition to a buyside role from there if that is your goal. That said, it can be a decent career in and of itself.
I know pension fund to buy side would be near impossible but do you think using it as a lateral to get good connections on the sell side and eventually a job is a path that’s possible. I know by no means optimal but just curious.
No.
Agreed, especially if goal is buy side direct investing
I had a very similar path - currently at a T1 LO. PM me if you want to chat!
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Both those places have active strategies in fixed income and are decent counterparties for the sell side. If you can get into a trading/research role you will build a some skills and a pretty good network.
An alternative career option is to work at one or more of the allocators for a few years then try to move into institutional distribution for an asset manager or hedge fund. Work in an allocator seat, learn how things work on that side of the table and build your network then apply that in institutional sales. A good external wholesaler is a very attractive gig and comp is virtually uncapped depending on how successful you are.
I'm surprised more people don't take this route.
what do you mean by institutional distribution and external wholesaling?
Those are sales roles within an investment manager that specifically target pensions and other institutions as prospective clients.
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