Athleisure is overdone imo
I spent time in London and now being back in the US the trend of athleisure in and out of the corporate world in the US is crazy. The Lulu 'slacks' that everyone wears, leggings at the airport and even to nice restaurants, etc. Why aren't people more proud of how they dress and carry themselves in the US. Like for men, real slacks, sweaters, coats instead of polyester and vests. For ladies dresses and pants and skirts instead of leggings, etc imo is way better
Because it gets humid and hot as hell in NYC.
No, it’s not only that. It’s about culture and being civilized.
And fashion is just another vertical that makes Americans be seen as uncivilized by Europeans.
It get's hot in Italy and Spain too and they manage.
Plus linen clothes are very comfortable
There are quants at Citadel & HRT that wear birkenstocks, shorts, and a t-shirt to work and they make millions. who gives a fuck what anyone is wearing if they can perform on the job? it's like the guy that goes to the club in an expensive outfit just to lose out on girls to the guy in converse and zara.
I'm not mad about it, there are just places in the world where people take more pride in their appearance as a society, it used to be like that in the states too. Not saying it defines you but we're in a time where people prefer convenience and comfort over all else
"who gives a fuck what anyone is wearing if they can perform on the job?"
Right, because I want to live in a world where everyone dresses like slobs and where buildings and cars are only functional. Fuck beauty, fuck aesthetics, fuck having a modicum of personal dignity.
I dress well and have similar complaints about society being slobbish (even at the airport), but my point is that today society is more focused on outcomes than appearance. yes, maybe the 50s and 60s were great when seemingly every white collar professional wore a suit, but today 90% of those people are out-earned by onlyfans girls and our society respects money more than class (i.e. Kardashians are worth billons).
do you really find girls wearing pant suits more beautiful and aestetic than girls wearing leggings / gym shorts?
Ngl it really does kill the vibe nowadays when I go to the opera or ballet at Lincoln Center and see half the audience in athleisure. Same applies to nicer, romantic restaurants.
I can see the comfort argument from men bc a full suit does seem like it would be uncomfortable for 12+ hrs at the office, but I genuinely find women's athleisure to be uncomfortable (the tight yoga pants that ride up your crotch, the compression pants). I think it's actually easier on the body to wear a dress that flares out at the legs for breathability, and so much easier to take on and off. Makes zero sense to me why women would go out of their way to both feel more uncomfortable and look worse when there are dresses out there that are more flattering to the body and more comfortable than leggings. A flared A-line dress will make you look more hourglass-shaped and have a bigger but than any leggings ever will, and there's zero friction on your legs, so the argument about making your body look better doesn't even hold.
I think athleisure at the office is dumb (unless there’s a casual Friday) and wearing it to a nice restaurant is insane, but anything goes at the airport / in flight. Plus, Vuori looks fucking awesome if you’re jacked. Highly recommend.
Fully agreed, especially in nice parts of town / restaurants / etc. Agreed that Vuori is great, I own a few pieces and love it for the gym / when travelling; just not to dinner / to a bar / to work / etc.
Fr there’s a time and place for various dress but feel like influencer brain rot culture took over. I would never imagine wearing work out clothes or hoodies to a steakhouse but there they are
Is Peter Millar good enough for general corpo roles outside of IB/PE/Big Law?
I think your point is fully valid, however I dress for comfort whenever I am dressing for me.
What I mean by this is when I am in the office (or even WFH) I am dressing to represent myself professionally (which in this case is indirectly for me, I suppose), as well as representing my team and my company. Therefore, I always make an effort to dress up, unless I have strictly internal calls. I do admit I think Lulu ABC pants are probably fine if you're only in meetings via zoom, but whenever I'm meeting with our C suite or other execs in person, I always have a proper dress shirt and set of slacks on.
When I'm at a nice restaurant, I'm usually there for my wife, or my close family. I dress up to represent them well. Dress up is a broad term, but 1-2 Michelin stars means a button down / slacks, and 3 means ill work in a blazer. Still feels dumb as hell to dress up for a dinner lol, but I do want to at least show respect.
However, the rest of the time, which is ~30% of my waking hours, you will catch me in an oversized T shirt and jeans. I get no joy out of dressing up. I don't want attention from strangers, especially in any way that would indicate Im wealthy (Im not for the record, but any moron with a W2 can buy a designer fit and appear wealthy). Don't get me wrong, I like to look presentable, but I have found when you are in pretty good shape you can look good wearing most outfits, and to me it is just insane to prioritize "fashion" over comfort.
Brother I'm 6'5 225lbs with a hockey ass and lulu pants are the only thing that fit me off the rack and don't make me look like I'm getting drafted to the NBA in 2006. I've had 10+ custom suits and no matter the quality I'll still blow through them in a year or two.
Just because I'm not dressing like Fonzworth Bentley doesn't mean I don't take pride in my appearance and how I carry myself.
I mean you're clearly an exception to the rule here
Elite references
Let's be honest, you really just wanted to subtly point out that you got that dumper bro.
A fisherman always sees another fisherman from afar 😂😂😂
Dude, you need a good tailor for the height alone, trust me. Off the rack is next to impossible for suits - do MTM where an old dude who knows what he is talking about is doing the measuring. And do not get anything that is skinny fashionable, it’s a recipe for disaster. Nice fitting but with some rook to maneuver for suits is critical.
Off the rack is possible with slacks.
When shopping for slacks:
- do squats in the changing room, load up the pockets and test the flow of the fabric around the ass (is it tense now, no go).
- learn some sewing and get a sewing kit with quality safety pins (got one in my briefcase at all times).
- look for potential weak points where fabric is fraying before putting them on.
Brother with the dumpy dump. I feel you. It’s hard finding a good pair of wool pants that doesn’t smash your balls in the front.
But you have to let the seat out in the back and find cuts that fit. No excuse for the plastic tacky pants
sports clothes look much better on people with a good body than business attire. so, a girl with a good butt wearing leggings or gym shorts will look hot af, plus she'll also feel comfortable, and won't have to spend much on clothes relative to dresses.
i love america and most things about it but unfortunately america doesnt have a dressing up culture/style so the only way they feel and look hot is with leggings, but brotherrr in europe its different, girls in europe look hot asf in so many outfits that arent dresses or leggings: linen, jeans, fucken anything hahah. its about how you style, being fit and culture=dressing up/nice feels good.
The outfit translates to how you carry yourself. Walk / talk / style / attitude, etc. All add so much
Nah they just look cheap and tacky in a professional setting. Nothing about “looking good” on one body type or another. It’s typically puffy people wearing Peter millar vests anyway.
do you think women in suits look better than in leggings / gym shorts?
Time to bring it back folks…
it never left. prospects dress likes this at home while sending their resume on 'easy apply' at GS
“You heard about it from a friend,” got it. ;)
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Dressing up is nice for the first hour you're sitting down until the rest of the day when you wish you were wearing your Lulu's and quarterzip. If I'm going to be a cog in the machine for at least 14 hours in the day, I'll at least choose comfortable clothing to put on while compiling a deck no one is ever going to see.
I prefer traditional menswear / sartorial clothing. But the problem is that it's seen as an expression of wealth / power / class in a way that's usually considered tacky in the US right now
There's also an element to which looking like you're trying with your outfit in general has been considered lame over the last couple decades, and combined with a conformity is cool / phobia of being "cringe" type attitude you're going to get lowest common denominator outfits
At a certain point though you just have to wear what you like. I played offensive line in college and have a large frame, so the shitty joggers and plastic quarter zips everyone prefers to wear just don't work for me relative to the sturdy and cohesive silhouette of a sport coat + midrise trousers
I think theres a couple things that defines the modern push to athleisure/styling:
I'll agree, it is more comfortable.
If I’m bringing money in the door, I’ll wear whatever I dam well please.
Agree with dressing up when going out, but if I’m cranking 15 hour days at the office miss me with wool slacks and loafers. I’m wearing a fleece and stretchy pants so I don’t get a deep vein thrombosis lmao
I actually find high quality dress pants to be incredibly comfy lol. I don't wear them much though since I usually wear lululemon and work from home.
For me, the comfort is less of a big deal and moreso that you have to be REALLY careful with nice clothes. You can't really spill anything on a nice jacket for example....
Why is this a fucking conversation?
Why not? You prob look like a bum daily
I lived in Milan. I appreciate fashion. I just have no desire to read about anonymous people's sartorial considerations.
I view it as part of the business cycle. Something similar is happening in tech. There are notable amounts of people who are more comfortable navigating a locked down mobile OS instead of a traditional PC OS and file structure.
IMO the adoption of athleisure is just a modern extension of a longer trend. Over generations there has been a broad atrophy in public sentiment on how to shop for and maintain a formal wardrobe. Athleisure is easy. It gives a broad cross-section of consumers a low barrier to entry to participate in culturally relevant trends. Athleticism isn't even the focus as long as the core audience can be perceived as on trend, or at least rarely out of season.
Well said
I agree, I’ve also started pivoting away from athleisure type dress for work, and other lifestyle choices that I’ll call adjacent to athleisure, like work from home, Trader Joe’s and other ready made meals, doordashing and ubering excessively, shoes with white soles, over sharing on social media etc. I think all of this stuff is so bad for us, I find way more happiness and satisfaction in putting in effort and struggling a bit along the way.
Any specific examples of alternatives that you've turned to in these/other areas; for me, cooking more, thrifting (never thought I would but have found great stuff), deleting instagram to avoid reels, going thru my wardrobe and finding stuff I forgot about (prob more but those come to mind right away)
A lot of the style will depend on the culture of the company. One piece of advice, never underdress an investor/client.
Does it bother me when people don’t dress up, no. Do I look better by putting on slacks and occasionally wearing a sport coat, yes.
Two statements I saw on this thread:
‘I bring the money I will wear what I want.’
‘I can do the job, who cares what I wear?’
The people who are dressing nicer can say the exact same thing while appearing more respectable. This results in people taking them seriously. If your boss ever calls out the office for how they dress, you want to be the example of how to dress. This happened to me a month ago.
Bc I’m not a pretentious little euro poor
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