EB to HF recruiting
Currently at an EB for a summer analyst role and want to transition to the public markets eventually. I have not heard good things about the grad programs (citadel/millennium/point72) from ex interns and friends so wanted to ask if anyone knows pathways to recruiting for other shops such as a marshall wace
And is there a case for the grad programs. My concern is theres too many kids at p72 now, one of my friends knows someone who did not get his pod of choice for citadel’s full time program, and i dont know anyone whos done the millennium program. Also at p72 seems like every class has some great kids and the others seem to have fairly unimpressive backgrounds, so don’t know if they teach down to the lowest person’s level or such.
Sorry to sound this way, have interned at a tiger cub and a large scale LO before and really like this stuff so want to make sure I end up somewhere desirable in the long run. Would be super curious!
If you're currently at an EB and aiming to transition to public markets, here's what you need to know based on the most helpful WSO content:
Concerns About Grad Programs (Citadel/Millennium/Point72):
Pathways to Other Hedge Funds (e.g., Marshall Wace):
Case for Grad Programs:
Actionable Steps:
Your prior experience and current role at an EB already position you well for a transition to public markets. By focusing on networking and demonstrating your investment skills, you can target desirable hedge funds that align with your aspirations.
Sources: https://www.wallstreetoasis.com/forum/private-equity/going-from-mm-investment-bank-to-mega-fund?customgpt=1, Q&A: Non-Target School to Portfolio Manager at a Top Hedge Fund – 6 Years Out of Undergrad, Citadel Global Equities (pay, culture, career path, lifestyle), Q&A: HF out of undergrad, ~5 years later, Q&A: Equity Analyst at a Sovereign Wealth/Pension Fund
What are your alternatives outside of those programs?
Hoping for any idea on SM recruiting and cold email hit rates. If its worth trying i would definitely send over some of my work and resume
A random single manager is not going to give you better training than the MM grad programs.
Dilution of talent at P72 will not affect the training you get, and you are unlikely to be better positioned for a good pod as an external hire.
There’s no “pathway.” This isn’t school recruiting anymore with a defined timeline. You get in touch with headhunters once you’re settled into your EB seat and when the roles come in, they will reach out to you accordingly. Networking ofc a tried and true method but it can be hard to do that with HF guys when you have zero investing or trading experience
Strongly suggest that you do your two years of banking. Contrary to the advice on this forum, would also likely recommend that you at least try for two years of PE. After 2+2, you will have had a strong “financial education” and can make an informed decision about if you want to go back to banking, continue to be a PE investor, or transition to L/S. Additionally, you will have the opportunity to interview for more (and quite frankly better) HF seats from your PE role assuming you land somewhere good.
Strongly disagree
why disagree?
I don’t get this. In what world is spending 2 years doing LBOs (if you will even do a deal in this environment), spending pointless hours doing data cuts for the billionth time on some random data from a VDR make you a better HF investor than going straight to an HF after IB? Two separate styles of investing and frankly many people find good HF exits straight from IB these days. PE isn’t magically going to teach you to be a good investor either. Outside of the handful of firms that need the 2+2 background (chances are you’re likely not getting these seats because how rare they open up), IB background with interest in HFs should be good enough as long as you interview well and can learn the right way to pitch a name.
This is shitty advice. More and more top hedge funds are choosing to forgo hiring PE candidates and giving IB candidates the same look.
More and more? Mostly just pods will hire anyone
This is wrong. The idea that you are getting "financial education" in PE akin to being successful in public markets (especially in a pod) is laughable. Do the 2 or 3 years of banking and then pivot into public market roles unless you want to waste another 2 years of your life working 80+ hours a week for less than banking pay.
some SM HFs that take from undergrad include abdiel capital, abrams bison investments, and truffle hound capital, which are all extremely tough seats to get with unstructured recruiting and many rounds of interviews. most of their analysts are summas/magnas from top ivy targets, alongside some cream-of-the-crop students from other t20s, and even for those in this group, these funds are ridiculously challenging to land.
another good option is LO asset managers that take from undergrad; they include alger, ruane cunniff, dodge & cox, mackay shields, harris associates, and gilder gagnon howe & co, among others.
all of the above are phenomenal seats if you can get them, but i would consider the long term benefits of staying at your EB for analyst years or going for a FT MF / UMM PE analyst program, as those should open more HF doors than going straight from undergrad.
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