EB to HF recruiting

Currently at an EB for a summer analyst role and want to transition to the public markets eventually. I have not heard good things about the grad programs (citadel/millennium/point72) from ex interns and friends so wanted to ask if anyone knows pathways to recruiting for other shops such as a marshall wace


And is there a case for the grad programs. My concern is theres too many kids at p72 now, one of my friends knows someone who did not get his pod of choice for citadel’s full time program, and i dont know anyone whos done the millennium program. Also at p72 seems like every class has some great kids and the others seem to have fairly unimpressive backgrounds, so don’t know if they teach down to the lowest person’s level or such. 

Sorry to sound this way, have interned at a tiger cub and a large scale LO before and really like this stuff so want to make sure I end up somewhere desirable in the long run. Would be super curious!

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If you're currently at an EB and aiming to transition to public markets, here's what you need to know based on the most helpful WSO content:

  1. Concerns About Grad Programs (Citadel/Millennium/Point72):

    • These programs are structured to train junior investment professionals, but they come with mixed reviews. For example, Citadel and Point72 have dedicated programs, but there are concerns about overcrowding and variability in the quality of peers.
    • Millennium, on the other hand, outsources much of its training to UBS equity research, which might not provide the same hands-on experience as other programs.
    • The variability in pod assignments (e.g., not getting your preferred pod at Citadel) and the potential for programs to cater to the lowest common denominator are valid concerns.
  2. Pathways to Other Hedge Funds (e.g., Marshall Wace):

    • Networking is key. Hedge funds like Marshall Wace, Man GLG, and Polar Capital often value candidates who can demonstrate strong investment acumen and a clear thought process. Developing and presenting written pitches and models can set you apart.
    • Unlike the structured programs at Citadel or Point72, these funds may not have formalized recruiting pipelines, so you'll need to proactively reach out and showcase your skills.
    • Your prior experience at a Tiger Cub and a large-scale LO is a significant advantage. Highlighting this in your applications and during networking can help you stand out.
  3. Case for Grad Programs:

    • While the programs at Citadel, Point72, and Millennium may have their drawbacks, they do offer structured training and a pathway into the hedge fund world. For someone without prior hedge fund experience, these programs can serve as a launchpad.
    • However, given your background and interest in public markets, you might find more value in targeting funds that align with your long-term goals and investment philosophy.
  4. Actionable Steps:

    • Develop Your Pitch: Create 2-3 well-researched investment pitches with detailed models. This will demonstrate your ability to think critically and add value to a fund.
    • Leverage Your Network: Reach out to alumni or contacts at funds like Marshall Wace, Man GLG, or other long/short equity shops. Focus on showcasing your passion and experience in public markets.
    • Consider the Long-Term Fit: Evaluate whether the structured training programs align with your career goals or if you'd prefer a more direct entry into a smaller, more focused fund.

Your prior experience and current role at an EB already position you well for a transition to public markets. By focusing on networking and demonstrating your investment skills, you can target desirable hedge funds that align with your aspirations.

Sources: https://www.wallstreetoasis.com/forum/private-equity/going-from-mm-investment-bank-to-mega-fund?customgpt=1, Q&A: Non-Target School to Portfolio Manager at a Top Hedge Fund – 6 Years Out of Undergrad, Citadel Global Equities (pay, culture, career path, lifestyle), Q&A: HF out of undergrad, ~5 years later, Q&A: Equity Analyst at a Sovereign Wealth/Pension Fund

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A random single manager is not going to give you better training than the MM grad programs.

Dilution of talent at P72 will not affect the training you get, and you are unlikely to be better positioned for a good pod as an external hire.

 

There’s no “pathway.” This isn’t school recruiting anymore with a defined timeline. You get in touch with headhunters once you’re settled into your EB seat and when the roles come in, they will reach out to you accordingly. Networking ofc a tried and true method but it can be hard to do that with HF guys when you have zero investing or trading experience

 

Strongly suggest that you do your two years of banking. Contrary to the advice on this forum, would also likely recommend that you at least try for two years of PE. After 2+2, you will have had a strong “financial education” and can make an informed decision about if you want to go back to banking, continue to be a PE investor, or transition to L/S. Additionally, you will have the opportunity to interview for more (and quite frankly better) HF seats from your PE role assuming you land somewhere good. 

 
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Contrary to the advice on this forum, would also likely recommend that you at least try for two years of PE. After 2+2, you will have had a strong “financial education” and can make an informed decision about if you want to go back to banking, continue to be a PE investor, or transition to L/S. Additionally, you will have the opportunity to interview for more (and quite frankly better) HF seats from your PE role assuming you land somewhere good. 

I don’t get this. In what world is spending 2 years doing LBOs (if you will even do a deal in this environment), spending pointless hours doing data cuts for the billionth time on some random data from a VDR make you a better HF investor than going straight to an HF after IB? Two separate styles of investing and frankly many people find good HF exits straight from IB these days. PE isn’t magically going to teach you to be a good investor either. Outside of the handful of firms that need the 2+2 background (chances are you’re likely not getting these seats because how rare they open up), IB background with interest in HFs should be good enough as long as you interview well and can learn the right way to pitch a name.

 

some SM HFs that take from undergrad include abdiel capital, abrams bison investments, and truffle hound capital, which are all extremely tough seats to get with unstructured recruiting and many rounds of interviews. most of their analysts are summas/magnas from top ivy targets, alongside some cream-of-the-crop students from other t20s, and even for those in this group, these funds are ridiculously challenging to land.

another good option is LO asset managers that take from undergrad; they include alger, ruane cunniff, dodge & cox, mackay shields, harris associates, and gilder gagnon howe & co, among others. 

all of the above are phenomenal seats if you can get them, but i would consider the long term benefits of staying at your EB for analyst years or going for a FT MF / UMM PE analyst program, as those should open more HF doors than going straight from undergrad.

 

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