How do you use 13F filings?
In light of United Health's 12% move higher on Buffet's filing, genuinely curious how folks use 13Fs, if at all.
What is important to you? For instance, a renowned sector specialist fund initiates a position as a top 15 shareholder, a L/O whale starts buying, large shareholders who have been there a while adding/reducing, what Ackman/Loeb are buying....
13F filings can be a goldmine for idea generation and understanding market movements, but they come with caveats. Here's how they are typically used and what to focus on:
Idea Generation:
Tracking Renowned Investors:
Behavioral Patterns:
Sector Specialists:
Limitations and Caveats:
Filtering for Long-Term Value:
In summary, 13Fs are a useful tool for idea generation and understanding market sentiment, but they should be used with caution. Always filter the data critically and consider the broader context of the fund's strategy and market conditions.
Sources: Why do CEOs care so much about activist hedge funds?, Idea Generation... and Why Wall Street Sucks at It, Idea Generation... and Why Wall Street Sucks at It, Long term, concentrated, deep fundamental investing, Random Musings on the HF Interview Process
Not at all tbh.
They can be good as a starting point. For example, since Buffett bought UNH, now you might look into it. But I would never invest based on a 13f.
Not OP, and clearly not yet an investor. But if you can track share price over the last 3 months and can see not much has happened since a big name bought in, why would it not make sense to infer that something positive is in the works (specifically thinking about your LO/activists).
1, it's already priced in. As soon as 13f's file, the stock jumps. You're trying to catch a train that has likely already left the station. 2, lots of activists buy in and try for something, and fail. Disney had a big activist bout that ended up going nowhere. 3, most hedge funds that are prominent only buy big caps. If you're an individual investor, you'd have more opportunity in smaller, less covered stocks.
I also don't really 100% know what you mean by "But if you can track share price over the last 3 months and can see not much has happened since a big name bought in, why would it not make sense to infer that something positive is in the works", could you be a bit more clear about what you're asking?
From what I’m reading, it seems like the reasoning is “big name bought stock, stock hasn’t moved, big name must have a thesis that’s yet to play out, let’s buy”
No, for the most part when big names buy stocks, that is what moves the stock. Also, most big name stocks already have well understood thesis's. You're not buying UNH or AMZN because they're hidden names with different thesis's. You're buying them because you believe in the thesis or that certain elements of the thesis are undervalued by the market.
I look to see whether my friends are up or down on things
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