MMHF perf YTD
I havn't seen figures about MMHF YTD performance in this forum or on BBG.
Could you guys give me an idea?
In order to start contributing, I know from internal sources that MLP is flat YTD. What about the others?
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YTD through April:
Point72: 4.63%
Citadel: 5.37%
DE Shaw*: 1.90%
Balyasny: 1.32%
ExodusPoint: 0.80%
Millennium: 0.50%
Schonfeld: 0.20%
* Performance through to 4/21
Source: https://www.businessinsider.com/april-performance-point72-citadel-mlp-m…
Thanks man !
How about other shops? For instance, Hudson Bay, North Rock, Verition, Brevan Howard, Eisler, etc.
Yep interested too by Verition. Never heard about past performance of this fund, but their AuM is growing rapidly.
Verition's returns seem to be deteriorating. Don't know YTD 2023 but 2022 seemed to lag other MMs. Probably hiring too fast
Verition was up 0.5ish thru March
Not true.
As of end of may based on hedge fund research journal:
MLP +1.5%
Baly +2.4%
Citadel Wellington +6.1%
P72 +5.2%
DE Shaw Composite +2.4%
Schonfeld -0.75%
Verition +2.3%
Eisler +2%
Wow Schonfeld really lagging - even last year too I think they were flat. Anyone have additional color? Their newly hired macro division head was fired by BAM and Citadel so not great selection bias there...
Anyone have Holocene, Candlestick, Woodline returns YTD or the last two years - been trying to find this out
I said March, didn’t I? Straight from bbg. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-03-24/hedge-fund-behemoths…
Any idea on how Exodus is doing ytd?
I’d bet these figures are now very outdated as of 6/7
why? i'd doubt it, thee scaled MMs are not going to move much in a week....
MLP did 100% of its YTD perf during the last two weeks.
Which way are you speculating performance has been MTD in June?
In long short market neutral equities the direction was broadly down due to degrossing
lol weak I’m up 75% this year and mostly long NVDA TSLA. Unreal how these “hedge funds“ get paid to underperform simple S&P with less stability than PE/VC which don’t have nearly as much volatility
Good god you’re stupid
what's really wild/scary is I have friends at "top" PE funds who actually think this idiocy too
Typical private market retard behaviours
My TQQQ is up 116% YTD. I must be a genius right?
You rode the meme / AI hype wave. A lot of people did the same in 2021, which was the tail end of a decade or more of QE / easy money. A lot of morons (like you) thought they were geniuses then, and did so by taking inane amounts of risk.
(And by the way, I’m down all-time on my TQQQ)
You must also think hedge funds are paid based on outperformance over S&P huh?
How does Citadel churn out +20% years vs the other MMs significantly lower?
Important to make sure we compare the right mix of strategies - Citadel Wellington vs. Citadel equities, etc. vs the equivalent strategies at MLP. If it is a like for like comparison, I can't imagine that significant of a disconnect between Citadel and MLP in process other than what Citadel might be doing at the fund level / offsetting / central book trading. Speaking with zero knowledge of course.
The other explanation is that Citadel / MLP / DE Shaw has just acquired more talent - which is a virtuous cycle as the profits allow them to be the most aggressive at acquiring talent. At the end of the day, these funds are basically the future of institutional allocators; they are just exceptional at identifying and paying up for talent.
Curious that P72 equities seem to under perform Citadel Equities - but as I said before, it is really driven by how many exceptionally talented pods you can hire and lever up. Maybe the tighter limits and better talent allow for slightly more leverage? Speaking out of my ass here...
Citadel equities performance gets publicized sometimes. Citadel equities have been outperforming rest of MMs last year and this year.
Very helpful! Do you have any perspectives / thoughts on Baly? Would love to hear what people's thoughts are
Also Cit risk limits and expectations of the amount of risk you will take are higher than most other pods. You actively "lose" AUM if you're not using your targeted vol.
That doesn’t really have much to do with returns % unless you mean to say leverage is higher for equivalent gross.
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