Overly Pessimistic / Think Everything is A Short

Know some of my peers who have the opposite issue where they find a way to justify underperformance and think everything can inflect +

Any tips from older folks on how to step back and view things more objectively / remove negative biases on fundamentals.

In many cases i'll have upside to NT #s but see competitive dynamics deteriorating in the future (TV inflated / multiple). No idea how to bridge these and feel like i miss out on trades on both sides because of this general view. 

screws up my longs because instead of following the consensus momentum based long that is right 90+% of the time i'll try and find some downtrodden shitco and craft some turnaround story. not sure how to snap out of this

maybe just need more reps

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you need more reps. had similar my first few years, not helped by having worked on some large frauds to begin. with more experience you develop more discretion, you know what the market will and will not care about. get the reps. 

 

Honestly I think it’s hard once bit by the bug. 
 

I have a thought which may help though. Psychologically we don’t like inflation. (look at how the world is reacting to higher prices across the board)

same applies to asset pricing.
 

Things are “too high” but relative to a mean which you are comfortable with pre-inflation.   
 

now don’t get me wrong - there arguments to be made risk assets are overvalued; but the fact is they have been for a long while and there’s no physical law that drives a return to the mean when this gets out of whack on a multi-year basis (it’s instead driven by geopolitics and complexity no one can really accurately predict). 
 

but if your problem is things always look expensive, it’s because you’ve anchored to a regime where they weren’t. You’re in a different regime now and unless you want to start speculating on regime changes (which is different to individual asset prices), then make peace with it.

 

One of our short guys has the same traits. He labels every other mgmt team as scumbags and every other business as fishy. I take what he says with a ton of salt, but I don't want to mess with his head as he's good at finding shorts. Well... his hit rate is poor but his slug is great and he makes money as he keeps pressing his shorts which more then makes up for his many LSD losers. 

Not sure if you invest absolute or relative but regardless, it could be helpful to have a framework and bias checklist that helps mitigate anchoring as setarcos wrote. 

Perhaps it could be helpful to ask yourself:

  • Am I dismissing consensus purely because it's consensus?
  • Am I overweighting low-probability negative scenarios?
  • Is my contrarian view based on unique insight or just contrarianism?

I personally find it helpful to break down my analyses in to steps where I can sense check each step before spending more time (go / no go). Sequential growth drivers - decompose recent growth, what can be re-underwritten again, what's deemed cyclical / one-offs / declining and why? What evidence do I have to prove that it's a) it's cyclical / inflated and b) not priced in already (e.g. what's in the revisions, assuming it's hasn't been purely re-rating).

If the return profile is ERP-esque (~10%) on 1 yr forward, discounted back to NPV, then the market is usually pricing in the fundamentals to the markets perception of fair value "i.e. no relative upside / downside" vs. the SPX. Then it's all about probability weighting and moving away from binary decision making. Dynamic sizing over your holding period within certain "levels" should help. 

 

who cares, this is supposed to be quantitative industry. Set performance, hit rate, alpha targets etc for yourself and with your senior people, manage to that, try to make it better. Really tired of being told I’m supposed to play some performative song and dance of humility everytime some C-tier sell side notes comes out w/ boiler play spin form shit-co management. Is this supposed pessimism a problem evident in your decision making and alpha production relative to teammates? I’m short focused. I’m generally a happy guy but pessimistic. Most people are pretty dumb, even more (esp at mgmt level) have the perceptions totally muddled by a big dangling equity carrot and live in a bubble of their industry peers. And also plenty are liars. A lot are super smart, brilliant great and capable operators - I don’t make those short positions

 
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The key is to be a skeptic vs an optimist or a pessimist. A skeptic can be skeptical of both a bull or bear narrative but tires to prioritize objectivity. One of the best quotes: "The most contrarian thing of all is not to oppose the crowd, but to think for yourself"

I think it really requires an acute self awareness. You have to be conscious of when you are framing things through either the optimist or pessimist lens and you have to work hard to try and remove that and objectively refocus on the facts. Kind of have to reach into your thought process and think ok why am I viewing it this way and deconstruct the thought path that got you there. For me personally, if I am viewing something pessimistically/optimistically it's either because I am anchoring to some initial perception (which causes me to ignore or underweight contradictory facts during the research process) or it's the representativeness heuristic at work (incorrectly comparing the current co to some other co or past experience that I shouldn't be). One way to overcome is to completely frame out the bull and bear cases separately. If you're overly focused on the downside and negatives, sketch out a list of all the ways that it could go right. Think about why people are long the stock and what it might take for them to be shaken out of those positions, what might drive them to press their longs harder? Just acknowledging the alternative perspective and memorializing it in writing will go a long way to pushing you back towards more of an objective middle ground 

I'm in year 9 now and I think the single largest differentiator between good and bad analysts or investors is self awareness. It is really the gateway to investment heaven or hell. The fact that OP is making this post in the first place is promising as most don't even realize they have a perma-bull/bear orientation and/or that they are consistently subject to certain biases 

 
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The key is to be a skeptic vs an optimist or a pessimist. A skeptic can be skeptical of both a bull or bear narrative but tires to prioritize objectivity. One of the best quotes: "The most contrarian thing of all is not to oppose the crowd, but to think for yourself"

I think it really requires an acute self awareness. You have to be conscious of when you are framing things through either the optimist or pessimist lens and you have to work hard to try and remove that and objectively refocus on the facts. Kind of have to reach into your thought process and think ok why am I viewing it this way and deconstruct the thought path that got you there. For me personally, if I am viewing something pessimistically/optimistically it's either because I am anchoring to some initial perception (which causes me to ignore or underweight contradictory facts during the research process) or it's the representativeness heuristic at work (incorrectly comparing the current co to some other co or past experience that I shouldn't be). One way to overcome is to completely frame out the bull and bear cases separately. If you're overly focused on the downside and negatives, sketch out a list of all the ways that it could go right. Think about why people are long the stock and what it might take for them to be shaken out of those positions, what might drive them to press their longs harder? Just acknowledging the alternative perspective and memorializing it in writing will go a long way to pushing you back towards more of an objective middle ground 

I'm in year 9 now and I think the single largest differentiator between good and bad analysts or investors is self awareness. It is really the gateway to investment heaven or hell. The fact that OP is making this post in the first place is promising as most don't even realize they have a perma-bull/bear orientation and/or that they are consistently subject to certain biases 

100%! Skepticism is key.

 

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