SM AUM vs MM GMV - comparison

How do you compare SM AUM vs MM GMV? My thinking is SM AUM dollar is worth 7-8x MM GMV dollar (which makes sense as MM GMV is 7-10x levered on underlying)

SM AUM, $100mm = target 15% returns, 15% incentive plus 1.5% management is $4 million

MM GMV, $100mm, target 3% returns, 15% incentive is $500k

There are a lot of assumptions in this, and SM fees are coming down and MM payouts are going up. And ofc there are pods that can do HSD and SMs that are lower nets and can’t do 15%, but 3% and 15% seem like reasonably bogeys for a good (but not lights out) year target

So maybe 5-6x is the correct number. Also not fully sure how data/vendor/research costs are done in MM vs. SM which affects the outcome. Curious how people here translate them.

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Based on the most helpful WSO content, your comparison between SM AUM and MM GMV is on the right track, but there are nuances to consider:

  1. Leverage Differences:

    • MM GMV (Gross Market Value) is typically 7-10x levered on the underlying capital, which means the actual capital at risk (or AUM equivalent) is much smaller than the GMV figure. This leverage amplifies returns but also increases risk.
    • SM AUM, on the other hand, is generally not levered to the same extent, making each dollar of AUM more "valuable" in terms of risk-adjusted returns.
  2. Fee Structures:

    • Your assumption of SM targeting 15% returns with 15% incentive fees and 1.5% management fees aligns with traditional SM economics. This results in $4 million on $100mm AUM.
    • For MM, targeting 3% returns with 15% incentive fees (and no management fee in this case) results in $500k on $100mm GMV. This highlights the disparity in fee generation between the two models.
  3. Performance Expectations:

    • SMs often aim for higher absolute returns (e.g., 15%), while MMs focus on lower but consistent returns (e.g., 3%) due to their market-neutral strategies and risk constraints.
    • Exceptional MM pods can achieve high single-digit returns (HSD), but this is rare and often dependent on specific strategies or market conditions.
  4. Cost Structures:

    • MMs typically have higher data, vendor, and research costs due to their reliance on extensive infrastructure and systematic processes. These costs can significantly impact net payouts.
    • SMs may have lower overhead costs, but their scalability is limited compared to MMs, which can deploy capital across multiple strategies and geographies.
  5. Translation Factor:

    • Your estimate of SM AUM being worth 5-6x MM GMV dollars seems reasonable, given the differences in leverage, fee structures, and performance targets. However, this ratio can vary depending on the specific SM or MM fund, their strategies, and market conditions.

In summary, while SM AUM dollars are generally more "valuable" than MM GMV dollars due to higher return targets and lower leverage, the exact multiple depends on various factors, including fees, costs, and performance assumptions. Your 5-6x estimate is a solid baseline, but it’s important to adjust for specific fund dynamics.

Sources: Performance of the best PM’s at MM’s?, AM vs HF: The Business of Our Business, , How Does Citadel HF Make $28bn Revenue with $55bn AUM? Multi Manager Economics, LO to MM HF?

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A few things off, but the idea is correct. At the SM, you have opersting costs to run the business. At $100M you likely are breakeven at best. At $500M = $7.5M Management Fee you may have $2-3M left over, theres quite a bit of operating leverage here. At a MM you will never receive any part of the mgmt fee as you know.


Performance Fee for the MM is usually 20% and can be higher. SM usually the first $100-300M you have a lot of seed deals, investors with weak fees/economics to get AUM started. Nobody really gets 1.5% and 15% money as the first couple checks. Also have to incorporate PMs non-fee paying capital.

Better example:


SM $500M * 1.3% Blended Mgmt Fee = $6.5M - $4M expenses = $2.5M Excess

SM 12% Return and 12% blended performance fee

=$7.2M performance = $9.7M total


MM $2B * 3% = $60M P&L with 20% performance fee $12M Total minus some above the line expenses = roughly the same.


So its likely more like 4x but the conclusion is the same

 

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