Taula
Recent $5bn spinout just launched from Diego Megia. Does anyone know if the $5bn is 5bn of "millennium dollars" or real capital? For reference MLP allocates capital at a 5% drawdown level so a $1bn book would be a $50m drawdown and thus you would run around 5% ($50m of annual vol).
Obviously no real investor would invest in a 5% volatility hedge fund product - I think allocators are looking for 10% annual vol products so MLP book sizes are probably double/triple what a real fund would quote as their book size.
So is he actually launching with $5bn of hard dollars? There was another thread saying that he's had multiple years of 250m+ PnL at MLP - which is amazing but in a completely different ballpark than a $5bn fund. 250m of PnL is more akin to a $1bn fund. Something seems a little inconsistent...
Bump. Diego is a legend.
Hudson Bay, MLP, Capula, Symmetry, Woodline are all run below 5% vol and it’s not an issue if net sharpe is >1.5. Each PM typically has dd limits and is asked to run the book at least at 5% vol but can be way higher. The overall book is then levered up to get the vol you want to have but at the end if you can achieve 10ish net return with moderate volatility (10%) and moderate drawdown it’s good enough. There are podcasts explaining the mechanics of returns, I can help if needed to dig down a bit more.
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For reference I'm talking about the fund level not how each individual PM at the fund (if it's a multi-PM shop) runs their risk/book.
Hm I'm still a little skeptical of your claim that these funds are sub 5% vol and it's not an issue. Obviously it's not an issue for MLP because their net Sharpe is around 3 so then their returns are still in double digits, but if you are running sub-5% and netting 1.5 Sharpe then you are only hitting ~7% returns. Allocators won't be happy paying massive fees for an uncertain/risky 7% when short dated treasuries are yielding 5+% with no risk.
But still even if the vol claims are true, the Taula guys track doesn't really make sense. A 5% vol on 5bn is still $250m and to realize a net Sharpe of 1.5 at 2/20 fee structure, he would have to put up almost $600m in PnL. Given rumors that his PnL at MLP was only aroudn $250m how is he going to be able to hit these much larger numbers (unless the $5bn isn't actually $5bn of real dollars and the real dollar amount is closer to 1-1.5bn)
5% in treasury is today while the ones who achieved 7/8% was in a low interest rate scenario. Equity in the long run are at 7-8%? If you deliver equity return with 1/3 1/4 of the risk and 1/5 or 1/10 of the draw down it might still worth it right? I agree with your point but investors base is heterogeneous, for insurance companies or pension funds might be enough.
I personally invest in some HF with 20-30% vol but I also have one manager that runs 5% vol at 12% cagr since I am invested and I am fine with them. And I am not talking about MLP or citadel but a very very small one.
Diego is a legend ….seriously nice guy too…
How come? Obviously he’s a rainmaker and just spun out w/ 5 yards…but what makes everyone speak so highly of him?
Much respect for ppl that can consistently perform in global macro. IDEK how you'd go about defining a sustainable edge there.
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