Turnover rate at pod shops for junior analysts?

Currently an IB associate. Have been wanting to make the switch for some time but don’t know where to start.

1) what sector to cover. (I have a lot of experience in industrials and consumer but would be interested in covering M&E)

2) What the interviews look like. (WSO has the paywall up now for real time interview data points)

3) what realistic comp looks like for the first few years

4) the hours

5) the turnover! How likely is it I would be canned in a year or less?!

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Based on the most helpful WSO content, here's what you need to know about turnover rates and other aspects of pod shops for junior analysts:

1. Turnover Rate at Pod Shops

  • Pod shops are notorious for high turnover rates, especially for junior analysts. The "half-life" of pods is short, as underperforming teams are often dismantled quickly. Even if you're a strong performer, the success of your pod (and PM) heavily influences your job security.
  • It's not uncommon for analysts to be let go within a year if the pod underperforms or if the PM "blows up." Some funds allow internal interviews to switch pods, but this isn't guaranteed.

2. Sector to Cover

  • Your experience in industrials and consumer is valuable, but transitioning to M&E (Media & Entertainment) is possible if you can demonstrate a strong understanding of the sector. Pod shops value deep sector expertise, so you'll need to build a solid pitch and show you can generate actionable ideas in M&E.

3. Interview Process

  • Interviews at pod shops are rigorous and focus on your ability to generate investment ideas. Expect to:
    • Pitch multiple stock ideas, often tailored to the sector you're targeting.
    • Demonstrate a deep understanding of financial modeling, valuation, and market trends.
    • Be tested on your ability to think critically and adapt to different scenarios.
  • Networking and leveraging your IB experience can help you bypass some initial hurdles.

4. Compensation

  • Compensation for junior analysts at pod shops can be lucrative but varies widely:
    • Base salaries typically range from $100k to $150k.
    • Bonuses can be highly variable, often tied to the pod's performance, and can range from 50% to 200%+ of your base.
  • Keep in mind that comp is highly performance-driven, and underperforming pods may see minimal bonuses.

5. Hours

  • Hours at pod shops are generally better than IB but still demanding. Expect 60-70 hours per week, with intense periods around earnings seasons or major market events.

6. Likelihood of Being Let Go

  • The risk of being let go within a year is significant. Pod shops operate on a "sink or swim" model:
    • If your pod underperforms, the PM may be replaced, and the entire team could be let go.
    • Junior analysts are often seen as commodities, and the focus is on immediate results.
  • To mitigate this risk, diligence the pod and PM you're joining. Look for a PM with a strong track record and a stable team.

If you're serious about making the switch, start by networking with people in pod shops, researching specific funds, and preparing strong stock pitches. Good luck!

Sources: Demystify the LT SM / tiger cub / "PE approach" vs. MMHF / pod shops?, Point 72 vs Blackstone, Large hedge fund analyst compensation, Fired as 1st year analyst?, Why are mutual funds seldom talked about as IBD exit opportunities?

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 Didn't have time to be succinct so wrote a longer reply. 

Sector wise pick whatever you like since people switch all the time, but  there are certain quirks to know about trading sectors (consumer has lots of credit card data, utilities is mostly about rate cases, industrial is mostly.cycles/macro, tmt is...varied), but that is also a function of process. Will be easier if you already have background. 

For hours I think 60-70 a week is fair, 70+ during earnings season

Getting canned within a year is rare- outside of the team blowing up you'd only get fired if you are terrible- no one is expecting much Y1 pnl.

Interview- pitch a stock+ modelling test. Make sure it's obvious that you care about stocks, being differentiated etc. Try to be thoughtful. Volume, price, margins etc..

Comp wise it depends. I generally recommend people join a large, tenured pod given that it's unlikely that you get pole position on a new team(which is the incentive to join a new pod).

Comp wise I highly recommend getting a year 1 guarantee and make sure you talk to people about comp philosoph - want a path to a clear formulaic bonus of msd% at least. Raw $ wise I think aiming for hitting a year of $1mn comp within the first 3-5 years is a good "tutorial" goal

Getting a new seat post blow up is pretty random.  P72, baly and citadel are easiest for you to find a new internal seat if ur PM blows up, mlp Is bad. Smaller pod shops (veriton etc) have higher turnover/lower safety net. 

 

One thing to note, if your pod explodes realistically you'll have a good time finding a role elsewhere. Everyone understands if your PM  underperformed and you weren't at fault. High turnover has the upside of shops almost always hiring. 

 

Serious question: what is the point of a formulaic payout when the analyst has no trading discretion?  If an analyst pitches ideas with a 55% success rate but the PM for some reason acts mostly on the "bad" 45%, the analyst would get zero'd for no fault of his own. Same if the analyst and the PM are off when it comes to sizing, timing, etc.

Why would an analyst want a % payout over something where he has such little control?

 

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