Turnover rate at pod shops for junior analysts?
Currently an IB associate. Have been wanting to make the switch for some time but don’t know where to start.
1) what sector to cover. (I have a lot of experience in industrials and consumer but would be interested in covering M&E)
2) What the interviews look like. (WSO has the paywall up now for real time interview data points)
3) what realistic comp looks like for the first few years
4) the hours
5) the turnover! How likely is it I would be canned in a year or less?!
Based on the most helpful WSO content, here's what you need to know about turnover rates and other aspects of pod shops for junior analysts:
1. Turnover Rate at Pod Shops
2. Sector to Cover
3. Interview Process
4. Compensation
5. Hours
6. Likelihood of Being Let Go
If you're serious about making the switch, start by networking with people in pod shops, researching specific funds, and preparing strong stock pitches. Good luck!
Sources: Demystify the LT SM / tiger cub / "PE approach" vs. MMHF / pod shops?, Point 72 vs Blackstone, Large hedge fund analyst compensation, Fired as 1st year analyst?, Why are mutual funds seldom talked about as IBD exit opportunities?
Didn't have time to be succinct so wrote a longer reply.
Sector wise pick whatever you like since people switch all the time, but there are certain quirks to know about trading sectors (consumer has lots of credit card data, utilities is mostly about rate cases, industrial is mostly.cycles/macro, tmt is...varied), but that is also a function of process. Will be easier if you already have background.
For hours I think 60-70 a week is fair, 70+ during earnings season
Getting canned within a year is rare- outside of the team blowing up you'd only get fired if you are terrible- no one is expecting much Y1 pnl.
Interview- pitch a stock+ modelling test. Make sure it's obvious that you care about stocks, being differentiated etc. Try to be thoughtful. Volume, price, margins etc..
Comp wise it depends. I generally recommend people join a large, tenured pod given that it's unlikely that you get pole position on a new team(which is the incentive to join a new pod).
Comp wise I highly recommend getting a year 1 guarantee and make sure you talk to people about comp philosoph - want a path to a clear formulaic bonus of msd% at least. Raw $ wise I think aiming for hitting a year of $1mn comp within the first 3-5 years is a good "tutorial" goal
Getting a new seat post blow up is pretty random. P72, baly and citadel are easiest for you to find a new internal seat if ur PM blows up, mlp Is bad. Smaller pod shops (veriton etc) have higher turnover/lower safety net.
One thing to note, if your pod explodes realistically you'll have a good time finding a role elsewhere. Everyone understands if your PM underperformed and you weren't at fault. High turnover has the upside of shops almost always hiring.
Serious question: what is the point of a formulaic payout when the analyst has no trading discretion? If an analyst pitches ideas with a 55% success rate but the PM for some reason acts mostly on the "bad" 45%, the analyst would get zero'd for no fault of his own. Same if the analyst and the PM are off when it comes to sizing, timing, etc.
Why would an analyst want a % payout over something where he has such little control?
recruiting tool to swindle analysts. Free call option for the PM to underpay base and simply fire the analyst before year end to avoid paying out
It just happened to me 1 month ago
Sounds unsustainable, as it would require re-hiring and re-training analysts every year. Plus, the moment word gets out about the PM's reputation, it becomes very hard for him to attract new people.
You got let go while up a decent amount? That is brutal
How do you talk about comp philosophy in interviews? Also how hard to push for comp say if you have 5YOE in the industry going for a pod analyst role.
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