Typical offer for PM at MMs

What would be a typical offer for a new standalone PM (not sub PM) at one of the big MMs (say Point72,  Baly, Millennium, Exoduspoint)? This would be for someone with about 10 years experience, the last three years as a sub PM. Last two years PNL was about +10 Mio USD each year at a realised Sharpe of 2.5. I realise that these things are highly individual, but if someone could give me some ballpark numbers for payout, drawdown limits etc. I would really appreciate it.  Would something like 15 percent payout and 5 pct drawdown limit be competitive?

 

15% of cut seems pretty low these days for the large platform. Even more with this proven track record. 20% looks more in the ballpark. 

In terms of drawdown, is it not the same for every PM?

 

Not sure if this is the right one, but there was recently an article about a PM in Millennium being incentivized to stay with a $100mm guarantee to prevent others poaching the PM with large offers to compensate for deferred comp.

There may be other less outlier-esque articles on BBG but for some reason this is the one that comes to mind. I believe the piece is from early June.

 

Hard to say, cause at the larger shops that is more a track record for a sub-PM not head PM of a a new strategy (10mm seems a bit light). That said if they like you and giving you 300mm aum or so, 5% drawdown seems fine. 15% vs 20% is hard to say since it matters on the firm, many are stuck at 15% while giving other resources so on. A two year 3mm guarantee probably makes sense as well.

 

Thank you. How do guarantees typically work here? Like in your example a 3 Mio guarantee, would that typically be structured as 1.5 mio per year, which i would received even if my formulaic 15 percent payout was below this amount? I suppose this only gets paid if I do not hit the drawdown limit? Also, how would it work if they decide to fire me without me hitting the drawdown, for example because of redemptions in the fund or because they suddenly don't like my investment style any more. Would I still get the guarantee for that year ?

 
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