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every associate at every firm has a ferrari, standard.
Wrong. Only the shitty associates are stuck driving Ferraris.
Well most banks give out Ferrari leases as part of your sign-on bonus. The only question is if you want to be "that guy" driving around Manhattan in a company car.
Wildly inaccurate, GS back office associates drive them Maseratis
you can get a used 02-03...360 modena for like... 100,000....roughly a little bit more then a 7 series BMW.
...or maybe he's just a tool who was trying to impress an interviewee and needed an excuse to drop his car keys on the table.
agreed.
Why the hell did he have his car keys with him during an interview?
Chances are that boy also has a gaudy rolex, 5 or so zegna suits, and a couple pairs of ferragamo or gucci kicks. See, if you were being interviewed by a man, he would be wearing a brioni or bespoke suit, a turnbull and asser shirt, crockett and jones shoes, all of which finely accessorized with a patek. Additionally, the man would have kept his car keys in his pocket.
Brioni is doing terribly and effectively an old man band at this point and patek is just as much of a flex. Some like an A. Lange & Sohne, Moser, etc... is more stealth lol
This is quite possibly the most retarded question I've ever heard.
Just goes to show that you haven't spent enough time on WSO.
Don't get me wrong, it's a stupid question - but no worse than ~80% of the posts that surface on this forum during peak recruiting season.
A real man doesn't bother wasting his money on branded crap he doesn't even need. Doesn't matter if it's bespoke, patek, or whatever the hell is 'in' next month. Geez.
IMO: Lobb & EG > C&J. But in all honesty, I don't think anyone has ever noticed the quality of my goodyear welts, so in regards to all this stuff it is mostly what makes you feel good. Is someone who wears Lobb more "elegant" than someones who rocks C&J handgrades? or just willing to spend a little more money? These days stuff 1/20th of the cost will look the same to 99.5% of the population out there, even bankers.
So by your definition, real men don't buy anything they don't absolutely need?
^^^You've accomplished nothing in your post.
Incorrect—he confirmed the fact that he is an utter and complete douche. After his first post he was only semi-douche.
The fact? I believe that notion is your opinion, not fact. After this post you have confirmed that you are semi-retarded.
Its funny how bankers care about this crap, whilst the clients they represent shop at Macys.
People care about this stuff because they enjoy it- it makes them feel good, confident, etc. I've seen successdul bankers wear $50k on them everyday (inculding watch) and I've seen successful bankers wear no more than $800 on anyone day. It is all about tastes and preferences. I used to wear all of the above when I was in banking. I'm in PE now and I still do. I respect the fact that many on this board may not have an eye for these things right now. But think about it this way: would you go out to one of those fancy clubs wearing Levis jeans and a polo shirt? Chances are you're trying to hook up and you'll probably wear designer jeans with a nice botton down. The same concept applies when wearing a suit.
5'8? 5'9?
Yeah, most CEOs and CFOs shop at Macy's - right.
...but this argument about who is semi-retarded and who is a complete douche (rather than only a semi-douche) is getting a little pathetic.
From the way you describe the situation, it sounds like the fellow intentionally pulled his key out of his pocket to show it off. The guy has to impress the children somehow, doesn't he? I'm glad he has a Ferrari; it sounds like he is the insecure type that needs it.
is it possible this guy did a deal for ferrari? i've heard of bankers in consumer groups getting that type of stuff.
i'm going to wear my suit(s) from Kohls to work this summer at a BB.
they look exactly the same as all that fancy brooks brothers stuff. i guarantee nobody will even notice or care.
Agree w/ Dave Baby. Wear what makes you feel comfortable. If anyone judges you for it, fuck em. Esp as a SA, no one will notice and no one will care as long as you look presentable - chances are you won't be seeing any clients anyways.
Keep in mind banking is a client-facing business. Many bankers will be wearing expensive clothes, get regular manicures, and do whatever else necessary to make themselves look good. Just because you don't agree and aren't style-conscious, doesn't make you any better or worse.
The only thing I hate more than guys dressing well and bragging about their fancy clothes, are guys who dress like shit and brag to everyone how much less shallow they are and how much they don't care. Wear whatever you like, but do it for yourself and don't judge others for it.
This gentleman has it right. The dress attire which you wear has only a marginal affect on how you are perceived, and for that matter, how successful you will be at doing whatever you are doing. But if it makes you more comfortable than go for it. Just don't go to an extreme. There is something to be said about a gentleman in a nice, well-fitting, albeit subdued suit, finely accessorized with the likes of Turnbull and Asser, et al. Intelligence, confidence, poise, tact, and style. Spend 30 minutes with a man and makes strides in determining the first. Spend 30 seconds with a man and make strides in determining the latter 4. Have fun this summer, hit the ground running, be smart, and never look back. Dave, baby -out.
if u didnt know this, jimmy540i over at e46fanatics sells ferrari keys on ebay.
hahahahahah it would be pretty hilarious if the guy just owns a ferrari key...minus the actual ferrari!
and xenon bulbs. i think he has 4 ferraris. 2 red and 2 yellow. not too sure.
omfg
Omg I cant believe there is actually people that just buy the ferrari's keys. Thats just pathetic
They say money can't buy happiness? Look at the fucking smile on my face. Ear to ear, baby.
I personally only wear pre-1950 JL buttoned boots...
http://cgi.ebay.com/John-Lobb-c-1948-Bespoke-Button-Boots-Lasted-Boot-T…
"anything less is uncivilized"
I think many of you underestimate the importance of appearance. Whether you care to believe it or not, people judge you based on it. The quality of your apparel shows through much more than you realize. Cheap shoes, in particular, are a dead giveaway. A cheap suit can be made to look decent with the help of a competent tailor, and regular pressing. But no amount of polishing will make J&Ms, etc. look like a decent shoe.
I am not saying you need to have bespoke suits, Borelli shirts, and handmade shoes, but some Hickey Freeman suits, MTM shirts, and Allen Edmonds will go a long way without breaking the bank.
Personally, I tend to go for Italian clothing (Isaia, Incotex, Zegna, Corneliani, etc.) and a mix of English and Italian shoes (Ferragamo Tramezza, Sutor Mantellassi, C&J Handgrades, etc.), but I don't really see the value proposition for the most expensive makers such as Lobb, Vass, and Green.
I have no shame in shopping around a bit, or buying clothing at the end of the season when it is marked down 50%+. This saves me a great deal of money, and helps me look sharp at all times.
When did J&Ms become a non-decent shoe? Am I on the wrong planet?
Sorry to burst your bubble. J&Ms are constructed mainly from rubber, glue, and a material that can just barely be classified as leather. Any decent shoe will have fine-grained calfskin uppers, a leather sole, and a goodyear welt.
If you can arrange it, compare some year-old Allen Edmonds (or better yet, Crockett & Jones) with some year-old J&Ms. The first pair, if properly maintained, will still look new and professional, while the second pair will be ready for the bin.
Dave Baby is going to be one of the first to be executed if there's ever an upsurge of the proletariat.
screw that man.
i'm not dropping 500 dollars on a pair of fugamamas or whatever the hell they're called. the shit from Kohls looks exactly the same...a black shiny shoe. thats all you need.
“Fugamamas” – you tell them lad. You must be Northampton born and bred!
Although this is probably the WSO thread in which the word “gentleman” appears most often, a lot of you “gentlemen” seem to be missing the point. Brand names are irrelevant when it comes to men’s clothing of this kind. The age profile notwithstanding, it’s funny how people never talk about wines and whiskeys on this board; two products whose most sought-after “brand names” are not as omnipresent.
My advice, bespoke for everything: suits, shirts and shoes. However herein lies the rub. It doesn’t matter if your handmade shoes are made by Lobb’s or the guy down the road provided that the guy down the road is competent and has been recommended to you in some way (preferably by the Prince of Wales’ royal warrant, but a father’s suggestion would be just as constructive). Similarly it doesn’t matter if your suit is made at Poole’s in Mayfair or by Messrs. Gulati on Sukhumvit Road for one-tenth of the price. I assume here that most people reading this are of the age where they don’t have an obdurate preference for Anderson & Sheppard’s “Limp look” over Huntsman’s sharp shoulders.
Taking the time to go through the bespoke process and being decisive whilst knowledgeably leading this process would truly constitute the mark of a gentleman, instead of buying an off-the-peg Brioni or splashing out on some shiny Fugamamas.
Hopefully the above will influence those of you who still thoughtlessly assert that “X-brand make the best shirts!” realise that clothing, no matter how formal, is still a representation of someone’s personality. Take the time to figure out if you want to be seen as a modern Boateng or as a non-conformist Pearse. In other words, look at clothing as a tattoo. One could conceivably get the same tattoo done as someone else because one thinks that the tattoo’s particular design was “cool”, however ... shouldn’t it be much more personal than that?
Now allow me to address another pet peeve: the arbitrary allocation of additional connotations to words. “My parents are rather sartorially-inclined”?! Mate, give the pontificating a rest and wipe the dust off that old Merriam Webster.
I cant take anyone seriously who says 'herein lies the rub.'
Im with oasising. I dont really need to decide if a want a limp noodle or a sharp shoulder... I buy and wear what I like, what I feel good about, and what I feel is consistent with my own personal style/personality. Its usually higher quality because it lasts longer, looks better, and overall has much more personality than the alternative.
I am not prepared to go as far as the good sir and maintain brand names immaterial. Branding is indeed of great pertinence, particularly when referencing functional minutiae. One would be hard pressed to find a shirt maker who can satisfactorily reproduce Turnbull and Asser's regent collar. Equally thorny would it be to duplicate the dainty, nonetheless clean and structured Brioni silhouette. A suitably tailored “off-the-peg Brioni” has a distinguished propensity to appear superior to a Huntsman or Logsdale bespoke creation.
Indeed the position you have maintained re branding appears to diverge with your script. The A&S drape cut and Huntsman’s British military riding cut are notable because of the being of the marker- the brand.
I like English shoes as much as the next guy, but I disagree with your assessment.
While most Ferragamos are garbage, the Tramezza line, which is hand-lasted in Florence, have quality and construction that compares, if not exceeds, that of the best makers in Northampton.
JMCFadden hits the nail on its head. My parents are rather sartorially-inclined and have always taught me the importance of appearance in making a good impression. Of course, understatement is generally better than gaudy and extravagant (which is what many people associate with high end clothing). A lot of people who try to wear nice things end up looking like tools because they want to scream out the amount of money they've dropped on their clothes. Like the associate pulling out the keys to his Ferrari. If you are elegant, the impression you give will be subtle yet distinct. People will know.
Not to mention, nice things last if you take care of them. A cheap pair of shoes will last a year or less. But even something like a pair of Ferragamos, while being rather expensive for someone like me, can easily last for a lifetime with good care. It isn't about wearing the most expensive shit you can afford, rather more about getting the most bang for your buck.
It's a stressful job. You should wear whatever makes you feel better about yourself.
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Associate with a Ferrari = pretentious insecure douche
I live in the South, so maybe it is different in other parts of the country; but people with "real money" do not show it off. All the new money classless $30,000 millionaires with no savings would pull a move like the one mentioned in the first post.
are you in either Texas or Florida? I noticed a lot of the $30K/year "millionaires" you've talked about in both places, for better or for worse
Back to the original post. If an associate is making say 300K a year and wants to spend a 100K on a used Ferrari, I say good for him (As long as he isn't doing it for the sole purpose of showing it off that would make him a DB). I have never driven in a Ferrari, but I could imagine it would be pretty fun to drive around. Someone making 300K and spending 100K on a car is like someone making 90K and spending 30K on a car, put like that it doesn't seem as bad. For me I would have to be making over a million dollars a year before I dropped that kind of coin on a not so practical car, but thats just me.
I'm guessing Texas.
Wasn't the movie made in Dallas?
I am the associate mentioned in the first post. It was a joke that we played on every single interviewee - at least the college kids. I noticed some of them did a double-take, but I had no idea the ramifications would go this far. What a success.
I do not own a Ferrari; my boss has a rusted out 1979 308 GTS from his uncle that usually sits in his garage. He happened to drive it to work that day and was talking about it, so I asked to borrow his keys.
People, stop overthinking this stuff. You know that we don't get paid that much. You've seen the data, and that is for firms like Lazard and Morgan; I'm at a boutique for christ's sake.
No way you are the associate. Sorry.
REALLY? WHOA, NO SHIT! You are fucking SMART.
everyone of you who is arguing about this crap clearly don't have enough to do... hope you're getting your resumes ready.
Parents bought him it
He’s bullshitting you and all he had were keys
Got lucky and was extremely bad with money
here's the thing. when your employer pays you money, it becomes yours. then you can spend it however you like. some like to buy depreciating assets that bring them joy. others choose to invest. others still will take lavish vacations. maybe he was trying to show off. maybe he just enjoys driving and frequently misplaces his business cards. either way, when you start making real money, do whatever the hell you want with it. stop worrying about what typical associates do, or how many deal sleds someone owns, or which designer has their name on your ties and suits. do what makes you happy. if your happiness is derived from the desire of others, good luck chasing that dragon.
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