Cantor vs. Piper Healthcare Group
The New York office for each. It seems they're both on pretty equal footing but it seems that Cantor is having a record year and is known to pay top of street these days (from those I've spoken with). Got ambivalent responses about both groups to an extent, from alums, and leaning towards Cantor.
If anyone wants to pitch in I'd appreciate.
Which HC group - Tools & DX or Services? If PE is your end goal, Piper 100%. Piper NY HC places decent in LMM/MM PE - I've seen analysts go to Cortec, Becken Petty, Blue Sea Capital and even L Catterton. I know the new base for A1/A2/A3 is 100/110/125. Also, I've only heard bad things about Cantor's culture from some lateral Associates/VPs.
Yeah, I like Cantor because I'm more interested in the equities side of the business than doing M&A and ending in PE.
I have heard that about the culture. Kinda that Sage has hired a bunch of individual producer MDs who run ragged a pool of frequently churning analysts that they don't really have much of an actual relationship with.
Piper's HC ECM business is pretty strong, see below for the the HC ECM 2021 League Table
^^ this. Although not the strongest vertical, the services group places pretty decently from what I've seen. Recent exits include Kohlberg, TJC, Waud
Cantors roles on equities are all co-mgr deals and maybe a third seat once in a while. They do a ton of atms though which are no work but good cash for bank (learn nothing from a junior perspective). Piper much stronger across all HC verticals in nyc.
This^^^
Tbh I thought the two were fairly equal in HC given that Cantor is basically a HC shop. Definitely going to call up some more alums from both and try and confirm all this through some real people. Really what is sticking in my craw the most is I kinda like Cantor's culture. Little bit fratty and not like a big, PC, public corporation. Thanks for the input man!
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Would go with Piper here.
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Well with Marc Beer fucking his wife in his own bed he was short on options for beds to shit in
I know the guys at Cantor very well (given that RE is their other big vertical) and I have to say this is a much more interesting comparison than the analysts are making it out to be.
Historically, Piper Jaffray and Cantor were actually pretty similar. In recent years though they've taken opposite growth strategies. Piper Jaffray (now Piper Sandler) has acquired companies constantly to expand their core offerings and grow horizontally, while leveraging the expanding brand to climb up-market in their existing strengths. Cantor has done the exact opposite, divesting core business units but multiplying head count on their core advisory units (Healthcare and SPACs). Both banks are having record years; PS stock is on a tear and Cantor somehow showed out as #3 on the SPAC underwriting league tables; but they've done it in complete opposite ways.
What I'll say about Cantor, having worked extensively with employees of all levels there is that they're hustlers at heart. It's a very "New York" culture. Someone else here said sink or swim and that seems to be right. They hire individual producers, not team builders. You will be surrounded by individual-oriented senior employees who are solely worried about how much revenue they can attach their name to and do not give a fuck about which juniors help them execute unless they're fucking up or if they have a high profile deal and need someone they trust. Sound shitty to you? It is for a lot of people, but I always liked that model and think there's a type of person that it works for. The type that would rather organically forge themselves into the in-crowd and producer crowd then be propped up by nurturing HR policies that make sure all junior employees get treated the same. If you're certain that's what you want, they're cool friggin guys. If you're looking for somewhere to be mid-bucket, mostly work 60-70 hour weeks and have your superiors constantly watching over you to make sure you're having a good experience, you wont like Cantor.
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Yeah go piper… My buddy interned at Cantor and was working til 3am almost every night
Yeah fuck that. When was this? Remote internship?
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