Easily the worst analyst in my group.
There are probably a million posts like this but hit the desk a few weeks ago and I can already tell I am the worst analyst in my group and its not even remotely close. I made a bunch (and I know people say everyone new makes mistakes and its understandable) but a BUNCH of mistakes and even making the same mistake multiple times. I know my perception is already god awful and every associate knows me already as “that analyst” and probably roll their eyes when they see I am staffed with them.
What do I do from here? I think just unfortunately I am learning things and adjusting/ramping up 10x slower than your average analyst. I feel wildly wildly incompetent and useless and an idiot. I honestly don’t even care about being bottom bucket, its probably what I deserve. I guess just the point of this post was to hear if others feel the same way to help ease my anxiety and stress. Thanks guys.
one of the worst analysts in my group...who was known as "that analyst" and frankly was left to work on really mundane crappy pitchwork, surprised us all when he sent his farewell email around and announced he was joining a decent MM PE shop. I was genuinely happy for him. I think in general IB work is pretty stupid and the culture borders on sociopathy, so arguing over "rockstar" and "bad" analysts is sort like arguing over who is the best and worst Taliban torture camp guard or something. I'm not that impressed if someone "crushes" powerpoint and excel modeling. But some associates/VPs really get themselves off over this.
no one will really care or know outside of your group. just keep your head down, study your LBOs/case studies/technicals, and kill recruiting. You got this!
thanks so much for the response really appreciate u taking the time to write this out for me, cheers
No worries man. I am totally fine working with "bad" analysts, as long as they want to help. What people think is "bad" isnt really that bad if you know what I mean?
You guys get a million emails, tons of really hard to decipher comments, and have to deal with senior bankers expectations who have been doing the job for 20 years and don't remember what its like to not know finance concepts that well.
I was pretty bad when I joined. I used to make merger models off the templates only and totally didn't understand what I was actually doing. Just filled the inputs out from previous work. I didn't have time to figure it out because I was getting work shoved down my throat with tight timelines. Only after like a year did I start to actually understand minimally what I was doing. The only reason I was ok is I worked exclusively on a big deal with the most patient/kind person in the bank who basically hand held me through the motions and taught me everything. I got a decent review from that person (and they could have really destroyed me if they wanted).
I am really empathetic to "bad" analysts/associates that join as a result. Sometimes its just working with a sociopath on that first deal that "seals" your reputation unfortunately.
i wish you were my associate
Not to derail the topic, but I just threw this side-note to a text-group of some turbo-autist-giga-chad types and we generally agreed that Taliban torture camp guards could actually provide a lot of value if they perform tasks that are a bit more basic than just guarding the camp. For example, if the average "torture VP" has about 30 mins to come spend with the prisoner, the 23 hours and 30 minutes that the guard would spend with them could actually be used in some very sadistic ways to break down the prisoner for the next day that the "torture VP" would come back for his/her 30 minutes. It could be as basic as waking the prisoner up every 20 mins they try to sleep so that they never hit their REM cycle and have their probability of spilling the goods elevated way above average.
To the OP, man up, if you're psychologically down on yourself like this, you will continue to screw up as the negative feedback loop in your brain becomes stronger. Continue to do your best until they fire you or you end up surprising everyone to the upside, which statistically is much more probabilistic if you are known as "the analyst". You mentioned you hit the desk 'a couple weeks ago', so the sample size is still too small.
Read Phil Helmuth's "Positivity". "You are always in the right place in the right time" as Phil says throughout, I think it will help your psyche.
Thats an amazing quote, I’m stealing it.
so so accurate
I think it's a plus that you can acknowledge and accept how bad you are right now. That's actually a big plus, a lot of people can't even get that right and think they're great when they're not. You're just going to have to try harder than the rest. What type of mistakes are you making? Make a note of it, and go over it before you go to sleep so you don't make it again. It's gonna suck but practice during whatever free time you have left until you start catching up. See if you can find a mentor to help you and ask good well thought out questions. Find the best analyst and see if you can pick his brain, if he's a douche then just watch him and pick up some of his habits. You'll get better, you just have to put in more work than other people. At least you want to get better.
Really really appreciate the response its truly greatly appreciated thanks so much man
Feel free to pm me and we can set up a call and I’ll give you some tips.
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Even if you want to be a killer analyst and get top-bucket bonuses, amazing references, etc. (strong assumption that you even do want that), all that matters is developing good relationships with seniors. The random associate who doesn't like working with you doesn't mean anything in the big picture. Get coffee with Directors/MDs, and do the really easy, high-visibility shit and absolutely crush those low hanging fruit. Send out press releases / news articles as soon as they come out, try to participate in meetings, etc.
I was in your shoes (3rd year analyst now and leaving soon) - I was trash at the job and would make stupid mistakes way too often. Soon realized I have two options:
1) Actually try to build those skills from the ground up, gain mentorship from strong associates, become a technical god who always goes above and beyond to produce flawless work (fuck that lol)
2) Just get by on the stuff above but become highly visible and liked by the people who actually matter for my review and in turn get great feedback while doing minimal work
Obviously I picked option #2 - I don't want to be a career banker nor do I give a flying fuck what the miserable 35-year old MBA associate thinks about me when he catches that I missed a footnote. I have a core group of seniors who will vouch for me, I have waaay less anxiety around my work, and all around just enjoying better vibes.
What press releases/news articles you sending out and to who? Would they actually appreciate that?
This is a good one that I forgot about. Definitely something I did, especially early in the pandemic when everything slowed down and we were home. Easy visibility and reminder that you exist.
If you're on a team that covers an industry you should subscribe to all the news sources that do the same. If a transaction is announced, you simply copy and paste in an email to the group. To your question, the good senior bankers are basically on the phone all day with clients, prospective clients, buddies in the industry, etc. It doesn't reflect well on them if they're on a call with someone who brings up a fresh deal announcement and they have to peddle around the fact they hadn't heard the news.
Appreciation is a word rarely associated with banking but they're not going to be mad about it.
Lmao gladly this doesn’t fly in pe since the teams are so small. My associates’ fates are 100% dependent on my reviews
Find someone who will mentor you- we've all been there. Just be loyal to them. I made so many mistakes when I first started I just kept trying and stayed humble. The fact you acknowledge that you're not making the cut is half the battle. Just stick with it and ask for help don't spin your wheels.
Felt that way when I first started too. One mental model that helped me overcome similiar feelings of anxiety was realizing that my two years as an analyst would eventually end and that I would move on with all the knowledge I had accumulated.
Because your analyst years won't last forever, you should focus your energy on maximizing learning opportunities / asking questions as opposed to stressing over your perceived lack of knowledge. Even if you were incompentent, it would take your boss around 6 months to find that out and another 6 months to do anything about it, at which point you'd be about halfway done with your stint. At the end of the day, just channel that stress you're feeling into intellectual curiosoity and use that to fuel your desire to get better. If you have to spend some extra time on the weekend reviewing stuff you don't understand, that's toally okay. I still allocate a certain portion of my day to read up on things I don't fully understand / poke around models.
The real world doesn't have an instruction manual and your learning experience is probably not a priority for your boss, so try to be your own advocate. If nothing else, you'll gain a sense of agency and shorten the transition from student to professional. Good luck!
I had this mentality which calmed me down a bit but now with our firm laying off a few folks from my team, I have felt even more anxious and every little criticism freaks me out.
This has been discussed ad naseum on various threads, but analysts are generally the most safe when it comes to systematic layoffs. I would argue that is such little varation in analyst work product that you can't even control whether you get laid off, to a large extent. Processing comps an hour faster than the next analyst isn't why you suddenly find yourself out of a job, so just keep working on what you can control and you'll be fine.
I'm having a similar issue but I'm staffed almost exclusively on deals with our office on the other coast and it feels tough to bounce back. Super hard to prove to someone remotely that you're learning and improving. I never interact with that team outside of them asking me for work so I'm basically a resource that they email when they need shit.
Best of luck man I think you can pull through.
Surprised (and happy) with all these comments so far. It’s a skill to have the awareness to know you might be a little behind the curve starting off.
I was in the same boat. Just practice practice practice and when you start feeling more confident by December maybe have a chat with your staffer (or associate/VP you develop a relationship with). Let them know you might’ve started slow but have been going above and beyond, but still want their input on where you can improve upon.
I’m a slow learner, but realized that and worked extremely hard my first year on the desk to be in a better place. This job isn’t hard - just requires you to put your head down and grind.
Its ok to be a "bad analyst", as long as you have a great attitude and somewhat improve over time. Starting banking is hard and takes time/reps to get better. I would know... I was in your position.
What's not ok is to be a bad analyst and also an unmotivated / shitty culture fit... have dealt with a few of those analysts over time and its mentally exhausting to work with them.
The other analysts in your group be like:
Don't worry about it bud. I'm A2A and have been in banking for a while (ignore the title) and over the years have seen many straight up bottom bucket analysts get great exit opps (MF PE, cool start ups, etc.). Why? Because no one wants to work with them so they had all the time to network, prep for interviews and BS their way into those jobs. Whereas a few of the top analysts were so crushed that they didn't have the time to really recruit or vet out opportunities and just took the first job they could get. Granted I'm at a top bank so the name in itself helps but nevertheless see it as a blessing in disguise. If you are set on exiting there is 0 incentive to be good at the job.
All of the above plus
Sure it's bad to make mistakes but it's OK if you have the right attitude otherwise.
What I consider really bad analysts are those without initiative, lazy to do anything, pushing back on reasonable requests etc
I think many of us have been there at one point in time.
Many people come into the job and were previously near the top of their high school, college, and even local bar trivia course and get blind-sided when they join the workforce at an IB and realize that many of the people are also from similar backgrounds. Feeling that pressure to perform and excel amongst your peers is good but you should also set reasonable expectations based on your performance.
Some tips overall:
Don’t worry I suck at my job too and I haven’t been fired yet either
Coming from the former worst analyst in my group to going A2A (which is probably i stuck w banking, jk?). First off, you’re a a month or two on the job, relax. Second, you care enough to make a post about this which to me is a good indicator that you have a good attitude. I’ve worked with bad analysts with good attitudes, and I’ve worked with extremely talented analysts whose attitudes sucked. Will take the former 10/10 times. Third, all the other first years are doing the same dumb shit you’re doing they just don’t advertise it.
Some very simple ways to get a lot better are:
exactly. analysts that are not really getting it, but have killer attitudes and motivation usually get to stick around. seniors will go to bat for you and help you out.
if you have a poor attitude people will really start to turn on you. its politics honestly.
This post is helpful for juniors including myself. Thanks!
At least you don’t get made fun of via email memes by your bullpen all day
I saw a similar post a month or so ago, so I'll give similar advice as I did before. Overall, it's counter-productive to say you're making a BUNCH of mistakes without trying to specify what mistakes you're making in on certain tasks. My advice would be to isolate where you struggle the most and build from there.
What specifically are you struggling with? Turning decks? Running Comps? Building operating models? Diligence processes? Buyer lists? Here's some advice for some of those coming from an A3
Turning decks: Slow down. Any senior banker would rather have a deck ~30 min late than ~5 min early and having spelling / grammar errors. Print out your decks and compare it to the markup- a lot of times printed copies turn up more errors than just reviewing your work on a screen. Check things 3+ times when you're starting, with the last time taking a ~1 min walk around the office to reset your eyes
Running comps: leverage other bank's work here. Many IBs publish various industry comps in market updates they provide. Try googling "XXXX investment bank industry updates, "industry whitepapers," etc. If you're aware of a fairness opinion in the space, those almost always publish relevant comps
Building operating models: so much of banker's work is just leveraging prior outputs made from similar processes. If you're making an operating model, many times you don't have to start from scratch. Leverage other work as much as you can from a model skeleton standpoint
Diligence processes: you need to stay hyper organized at all times. Keep a running tally on where documents are published in the data room to start
Buyer lists: it really depends on the industry, but CIQ buyer screens, pitchbook buyer screens, and just straight up googling can generate ideas. It's always better to have more buyers that are tier 2/3 rather than a handful that are tier 1 and not many additional ones. Be sure to build lots of support into your proposed buyer (how large are they, have they done any recent deals, similar geography, similar customers / end markets served, etc.)
If you're able to tell me what areas you're struggling with perhaps I can assist more
Lots of really good advice here.
Don't let it get in your head. You'll start to second guess yourself and spiral. Some of the things you've said already make me feel like you're there "associates roll their eyes" etc. Get out of your own head man, this is the part about having a thick skin in IB that you'll always hear of.
When you make a mistake, write it down. Almost like a fuck up journal. You'll likely start to notice patterns and commonalities and will help you internalize what to spend more time on and watch out for when reviewing your own work.
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I'd recommend keeping a log of lessons learned on your job and review them each night or each morning. Going into the more significant errors and do a quick root cause analysis on why you made those erros.
1) What was the error?
2) What were the contributing factors to that error?
3) Identify a root cause.
4) Identify an instructional fix.
Quick example:
1) Why did I not catch that spelling error on the title slide?
2a) I was too focused on the other content and didn't review the entire slide deck.
2b) I had competing competing priorities and didn't prioritize reviewing before submission.
2c) I didn't thoroughly review the entire slide deck before submitting.
3) Root cause: I didn't thoroughly review the entire slide deck.
4) Instruction fix: Review entire slide deck including title and conclusion page before submission. If available, ask a peer to review before submission.
OP sucks so bad he'll probably have inconsistent bullet point formatting and spelling errors within his journal, rendering it useless. SAD!
Just kidding, OP. FWIW you can be totally shit at your first job and jump to buyside or another IB where you can start fresh so long as you're a good interviewer.
It’s expected that 75% of analysts with 1 year or less are complete fucking monkeys.
Doesn’t really have implications for your career or perception unless you are tanking to what appears to be an intentional/lazy level. A1 it’s ab putting in the effort and hours and youll be fine
I am also a pretty shit analyst. I can do deliverable/excel/ppt whatever, but when it comes to liaising with ppl/leading calls/leading process or just not being clueless about the deal in general, i pretty much suck at it.
I honestly have no idea whatever is happening on the deal.
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