I don't understand how taxes work
Hey all - incoming first year analyst this year - and like everyone I'm really looking forward to that 2024 bonus. Can anyone explain how bonuses are paid out and taxed. I zoned out on asking anyone during my SA stint, and have gotten so many competing answers that I figured I'd ask. Ik it's a dumb question but I genuinely don't know lol
Discounting a few things, generally the more money you make the more taxes you pay.
lol i was more referring to specifically the bonus, and how its accounted for in your withholdings/how your refund incorporates it and so on
It gets taxed at the highest marginal rate (usually around 50%). Come tax return season, you'll get some of it back.
When you receive a paycheck, your company has to withhold taxes to send to the government. In order to determine how much to send, they have to estimate what your full year tax bracket will be. When you get the paycheck with the bonus, they will annualize that paycheck to calculate your estimated full year income. Because of this, it will look like you’re in an insanely high tax bracket and they will withhold way too much. When you file your tax return at the end of the year, your actual taxes will be calculated using the correct tax brackets, and you’ll get a big refund to account for the fact that they withheld too much. It’s annoying but just the way it works.
this is more what I was asking - so for example in this market if i get a 50k bonus, my withholdings will be taxed as though I'm making 160k, but then when I file in the following year, my refund will reflect that my base was 110? as far as the actual bonus goes then, do you have a ballpark of what percent of comes back to you when accounting for tax refunds? thanks!
If I understand your question, not exactly. I’m going to use simple numbers to illustrate (NOT the actual tax rates). Let’s say your total comp will be $160 ($110 + $50). Assume the correct tax rate for $160 is 30%, so taxes of $48k. But when you get paid your bonus, that paycheck will have an extra $50k, so if you’re paid monthly it will be ~$59k, which annualized would be over $700k. If you actually made $700k, they would tax you like 40% or something, so they will withhold at 40% for that paycheck ($23.6k) but the actual amount you owe (the 30% tax bracket) is only $17.7k. When you file taxes, they will give you that overpayment of $5.9k back (calculated as (40%-30%)*$59k).
Alright, I've seen a good deal of misinformation floating around with regard to income taxes, especially as it pertains to bankers' compensation, so I'm going to try and provide a little primer here. Might be a bit long / rambling, but hoping this might help some folks understand their tax situations (I'm not a tax professional, this isn't tax advice blah blah blah):
How Taxes Work
Why Bankers Almost Always Owe Additional Taxes When They File
Example of Banker Tax Liability Calculation
Example:
How Bankers Can Estimate Their Tax Liability for the Current Tax Year
Other Considerations
Tax Management / Repayment Strategies
Anyway, hope some of this is helpful - cheers.
This is incredibly helpful, thank you so much for posting
Great to hear, you’re very welcome!
Also an incoming AN1 who attempted to budget their finances.
I thought tax liability would be (AGI - standard deduction) * effective tax rate and not (AGI * effective tax rate) - standard deduction?
Sorry, this is semantics but you're 100% right on the terminology: AGI less standard deduction is taxable income (I was using AGI as a synonym for taxable income but that's not technically correct). So, simply speaking, AGI - Standard Deduction = Taxable Income, Taxable Income * Effective Rate = Taxes Due, and Taxes Due - Taxes Withheld = Tax Liability (i.e., additional taxes owed after filing).
Good clarifier!
holy thorough, thanks a ton. way more convoluted than i thought but i guess that's how it is.
No problem! Response was definitely a bit verbose but hopefully helps people better understand / budget for their taxes as a banker.
This great. To the younger people on here, as you get older and assuming you're still in finance with large bonuses you will need to make estimated payments throughout the year. You can either ask your payroll to withhold more or you can pay the IRS directly. However, if you get a large bonus that is under withheld you can't just pay in April. You will be fined.
This is what WSO should be about.
Extremely helpful, thank you for sharing!
Congrats on PwC
Don’t worry. No one knows how taxes work
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