I’m finally moving from UK Big 4 M&A to BB IB Coverage team as an associate. Any practical tips or courses I could do ahead of starting?
I’ve never been so excited in my life. I’m grateful for the role, and feel really good about what lies ahead.
Conscious Big 4 M&A barely do modelling, so my modelling/powerpoint skills will likely not be as good as third year analysts for example
Are there any excel, PPT or general learning courses you can recommend for someone of my level ? (Associate)
Any other survival tips would be greatly appreciated!
congratulations, some of the best people in my team (boutique) are ex-big 4.
you will have a natural learning curve and yes, you'll have to work more than usual but don't forget that you also bring other interpersonal and accounting skills (which they may miss). it's a trade off - you just developed different skill set so far.
do your best in the first 6 months and make strong first impression. that will matter for staffings and general respect of team. if they see you're really struggling, theywould not staff you on an important deal unless they have no choice. if you don't build good reputation, juniors may also deprioritise your work and miss your deadlines to meet someone else's.
As to learning before the job - any course online would help. knowing shortcuts is important because it will help you be faster. it might be worth spending some weekends checking how they format stuff so you get a feel for "good formatting"
Thank you so much for the advice. I am spending my weekends now on modelling and PPT videos. I really want to smash it in my first few months
Just to chime in on the above good advice (intern, not Mr Chud), I'd think you've been working historically on smaller transactions which are typically less complex. So I'd suggest perhaps looking into more advanced models, even to just get familiar with terms (e.g. treasury stock method, etc.) if you haven't seen them before. A long (so do check as I haven't) time ago the BIWS materials were quite good for this
Thank you for the advice. I barely create models from scratch in my B4 experience so I do have a lot of catching up to do. But I’ll check BIWS as you suggest. Much appreciated!
Not to be harsh (in fact, congrats) but I find it crazy how a BB has hired an associate who hasn't built or barely built a model from scratch. Must a sign of the times, recruiting isn't as doomed as everyone thinks.
Thanks for the congratulations! Really do appreciate it
Few points:
I work on models on all my deals but I barely have to build them from scratch. I’ve built from scratch maybe less than 5 times since I joined M&A. I sleep and breathe in models and can tell you when it’s not a great model.
I have a combined 6 to 7 years experience in accounting and M&A, so P&L, CF and BS are my bread and butter. Very easy concepts for me. I learnt how to do an LBO model ‘from scratch’ in 3 days and finished 30 mins early during my case study test - that’s how easy the concepts are to me.
Being a banker is a lot more than modeling - I’m pretty comfortable project managing a process from start to finish and i know my sector very well. I have also been told I’m very technically sound and personable - maybe these count a lot more than modelling. I reckon anyone can learn modelling in 2 weeks.
If your logic stands, you’ll never hire MBA grads as associates, or PhD/Doctors into healthcare banking..simply because they’re not the best at modelling.
The ppt and modeling will come, that’s experience and exposure.
My experience is that big 4 hires on the positive side are organizationally disciplined, good at process, and good at managing clients.
They tend to struggle sometimes with the chaos that is investment banking and the greater complexity / ambiguity.
I recommend you keep a very open mind, be a sponge for everything going on around you and be ready to put in the extra hours till it makes sense. Also make the analysts your best friends here as they will have a great instinct as to what’s what.
Thank you so much for your advice. I’m definitely going in with an open mind, but obviously playing into my strengths at the same time. Also going to make the juniors my allies from the beginning
Congrats on your move! How many years of FT work experience do you have at B4? Did you lateral to a boutique or some BB/MM?
4 years audit, 3 years M&A
Started in audit - did c.4 years there. Moved Internally to M&A Lead Advisory. Did a year there, then moved to another B4 firm that was really good in my sector. Spent two years there before being head hunted by a recruiter for this BB bank.
quite a journey, well done! Great to hear there are alternatives to breaking into IB other than a typical post-graduation path. Enjoy your new role :)
Can we page in @giveadvicepls
Sorry, can you clarify what you mean?
A guy who keeps complaining that he can’t break into IB from his non-target and is writing off any helpful advice such as a Big 4 lateral move.
Building reputation is key. People in IB always look down on lateral hires coming from less prestigious banks or big4 so you need to prove them within your first months that you are good as first impression is everything.
Thank you very much. I’ll definitely bear this in mind and always put my best foot forward. I have a few coffee chats with several team members coming up, so I’ll soak up as much as I can ahead of starting.
Good comments here, also did a lateral into EB some time ago and can only second the points listed here.
Perhaps to underline a few things:
1. First impressions last (sometimes forever), so make sure you do things properly and work under the assumption “I’m the last one to see this before this goes out” — helps a lot with double-checks etc…
2. Don‘t underestimate relationship building in this job — spend time with almost anybody who offers, e.g. after-work drinks, weekend get-togethers etc… if you integrate swiftly, it will help you in the future.
3. Don’t try to be pretentious vis-a-vis analysts and supporting staff — quite common in BB/EB and usually backfires sooner or later… might be obvious but nonetheless…
4. If you know some holes in your hard skills (for example, modeling, as you mentioned), try to do a few dry runs before joining, since you still have time. When things start picking up, you will naturally learn but it is less comfortable doing so on a live topic — even the pitch valuation can be stressful, since the MD wants it done in a few hours, not days. Also check Macabus and some other sources, plenty out there nowadays. Also ask some colleagues for commonly used templates once you’re on the job, and perhaps somebody will walk you through.
5. In the first 6 months, spend a lot of time at the office (avoid home office where possible) since this helps with all of the above. Would on the other hand avoid nonsense golden roundabouts / all-nighters, since nobody values this but will see the underperformance in the following days… common misconception in BB/EB…
6. lastly, people are also cooking with water — certainly some smart folks around but surely not exclusively… just do your stuff and you’ll be surprised that you can rank well quite swiftly.
Congrats and fingers crossed for a good start!
Honestly, this is amazing advice. I really want to smash it so I’m 100% taking all of this in. I’ll definitely do some modelling reps before starting - I’ll check the sources you mentioned here
BIWS for PowerPoint.
F1F9 Model construction skills (it's free) to familiarise yourself with calculation blocks and model structure.
And after that just take some advanced model, like Macabus LBO long form model, and reperform it line by line.
Thank you for the sources you provided! Interestingly enough, I am comfortable with LBO models. I just haven’t done that many operational/3 statement models. I’ll start practicing complex ones!
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