Insights into demographics of GS Intern (IBD) Class?
How many are European? Brits? What percent are masters / 3rd year students?
Online, it looks like they only take 4-5 UK students for IBD each year, and of which not many are 2nd year UGs. Majority seem to be European, specifically Italian
they take killers only, none of that DEI malarkey
Leave that for JP and MS
Hey, we dont do DEI malarkey at MS either compadre! Leave that for JP
Can confirm we have the DEI malarkey
GS = Mostly Europeans, remaining UK kids are almost entirely the London top 3 or Oxbridge. Very few and tend to be final years that land. No spring to SA pipeline anymore afaik. Slightly bigger class size than MS, best but sometimes not great conversion rate. Uniquely strong UCL pipeline, atleast one a year i believe.
JPM = A lot of Europeans, But also a lot of UK kids (From literally all tiers of school), Generally a very big class so class talent is a bit diluted nowadays. Roughly equal distribution between brits who converted spring and brits who did the direct SA application. Very Very British UK students usually, typically less experience than other BB UK SA's. Biggest class size, decent conversion rate. Consequence of Very Very British UK students means more Oxbridge, warwick and sometimes durham students than usual.
MS = Heavily European, usually the only UK kids are the spring converts, maybe about 4-6 / enough to fill the UKI SA, very very rare to land SA if you are a UK student and did not do the spring, not sure if this happened while i was recruiting. Smallest class size, worst conversion rate. Heavily favour LSE / Oxbridge. Imperial / UCL / Warwick pipeline is weak, but 1-2 of the bunch tends to make it in per year.
Had fun writing this up - can do a few other BBs if helpful!
unreal level of insight. can confirm all of the nuances are correct.
incredibly accurate on JP brits
Great insights here.
How does Citi/BofA stack up?
Feel like Bofa has a pretty strong Brit representation from the spring and normal application. Citi maybe slightly less so but more then the top 3 I’d say.
What does Very Very British mean?
Dentally challenged, medieval peasant haircut, accent that makes you understand 10% of anything they say
Very useful thanks
I'm currently on the TI for MS as a Brit student, let's hope it works.
Target? What is your experience like?
What is Goldman's intern to full time conversion rate like?
What about the eb’s? How feasible is to re-recruit with an sa at a mid tier eb (laz/Moe/pwp) etc for a top bb/evr/cvp?
Depends if you are talking about FT roles or SA.
Forget about FT at GS/JPM/MS/CVP if you have not received a return offer from your summer. EVR will let you go into the AC, but unlikely you make it unless you converted SA.
If we are talking SA - then you have a shot with any of those firms (except for CVP if your not from the right schools). But the main thing is - why are you applying SA and what was your exp. like during your previous SA.
Hi, OP here!
Firstly, almost of all those "mid tier" EB's you mentioned are on the same level as evr/cvp. Simply put, no EB is anywhere near GS/MS/JPM in Europe in every metric measurable except pay. PJT is a dominator in RX on this side of the pond too and honestly do similarly in EMEA| m&a as the other EB's so would say its the closest EB to GS/MS/JPM.
Agree with what one of the replies below said, but also note that MS does not ever open FT and the GS/JPM FT process is extremely competitive. As for the other EB's, honestly you can get an AC with a return or not from just doing 1 IB SA. Better the bank you did your SA in, less likely you will need a return offer from that SA to actually get the FT offer for the EB. Know plenty of BB SA's with no returns who have managed to grab spots at Laz / Moelis / Evr FT.
Rubbish and untrue LMAO. The Europeans you’re m***sturbating about didn’t get return from the top BBs, guess what guys from Warwick killed and got in.
At least we don’t abuse EDUCATION- imagine spending 6+yrs doing Másters upon Masters padding experience to compete w/ Brits
GS is definitely full of italians. Even JPM takes a fair share of them each year:https://www.efinancialcareers.com/news/jpmorgan-interns
So masters at one of these EU schools (St gal, hec boconi escp) , with language ability (particularly Italian German and French) and you will have decent chances it seems
lol which shop isn’t full of Italians
Fair lol. Ton of brain drain
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