Is my IB analyst personal budget realistic?

cuz im a fucking nerd and im trying to figure out if I want to stay in banking, I'm trying to forecast earnings up to age 30. Does this seem realistic? 


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edit: attachment if anyone wants this, took like 30 mins to make so I recommend remaking with your own financial situation since this is a quick and dirty spreadsheet

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we might need a provision for hair transplants line item if modeling out that time horizon

 

I'd at least build in a downside case here. At least half of the analysts I've seen burn TF out of this job and end up in something more lifestyle-friendly like corporate roles or LMM PE. Your base case assumes pretty great pay all the way through - its rarely that easy.

Your rent also looks incredibly low. Are you going to be 30 years old and living with 3 roommates in an absolutely gross apartment? Same with your misc. expenses, your going out (incl. dinners) is going to increase a lot more than $600/yr over 6 years as your lifestyle grows. You won't be living like a 22 year old poor analyst forever. No travel at all?

Those things aside this is a great spreadsheet setup

 

First off, congrats on being responsible. This isn’t nerdy, this is how you achieve financial stability. People often mistake a high income or savings as financially stable, financial stability is actually controlled spending relative to your income. You are doing great by doing this.
 

Anyway, summarizing what others have said, but adding my insight based on doing this and evaluating what actually happened now that I’m close to 30. Going to be blunt and critical, but comes from a place of love and admiration because you did exactly what I did and I’m in a position to tell you where I was off:

  • You are underestimating the frequency of “one-off” things and how they contribute to your budget. I can’t remember the stat, but the gist of it is when people provide budgets they are in general 25% low. In my experience, I thought I consistently spent like 4.5k-5.5k as an analyst then had one month a year where it was much higher. The result is my spending was really closer to 6.5k. An example of the sort of one-off things that add up when you retroactively evaluate: moving (move in fees, movers, renting a uhaul, eating rent), weddings & bach parties, vacations, furniture (buying a bed, a sofa, new pans &pots), clothes like buying a tux or a suit or new dress shirts. There’s just a lack of awareness here on how frequently these things occur.
  • Your rent is entirely unrealistic. Even in a low cost of living city, these numbers are delusional. It makes sense that you could get away with it in the early years, but at 27 you aren’t going to be paying basically the same rent you are now. Especially if you are making the numbers you are planning in salary. At a certain point, you will trade luxury and/or convenience for money because it’s positive for your happiness and you have a controlled understanding of your expenses. Just as an example, as an early analyst, I didn’t care about natural light or my kitchen or proximity to a gym. Now, I realize having the time for workouts is really important for my happiness and health and difficult for my schedule, so it’s worth paying an extra few hundred to be close to a gym. I can afford to make that trade and I’d argue it’s actually responsible to do that from the perspective of doing well at my job, living long, and being happy. Natural light also is something I didn’t care about then I got one cheap place that had it, it made me happy, and now there is no going back. Lifestyle creep is real, but on top of that, you get to a point where your time is valuable and you make trades to support your well-being as you should. There’s a middle ground between having bad lifestyle creep and just being realistic that you can probably afford and get a lot of worthwhile enjoyment from moving to a neighborhood more optimal or having your own bathroom or something.
  • You can’t contribute to the Ira due to your income, the whole back door roth thing you could explore, but it’s not worth the trouble unless you want the learning experience. If you are that fixated on post tax growth, contribute to a 529 plan for your kids or your own grad school education. Many states also offer a tax deduction which can bank you a pretty penny on deducted state taxes.
  • Add-on acquisitions and related diligence jack this whole thing up. Dating and having an sig other will 100% change your spending. Me and all my stingy friends all of sudden started getting new sheets and coffee tables and rugs when we got girlfriends. Some people do it to impress girls, but honestly, my spending went up just because I liked making my girlfriend happy and wanted her to enjoy my place and not feel like she was coming to a shithole—this was even more true when we began discussing living together. I had worked hard for years and earned the ability to buy things like a nice coffee machine or a new couch rather than a used one. I don’t know anyone that lives the same at 27 as they did when they were 22 that has their life together. Another one too, my girlfriend can’t afford plane tickets to see her family on the other side of the country. As a result, she went years with touch and go contact. Now, she pays what she can and I cover the rest and she sees her parents every year because I can afford to do that. Things like this will come up—maybe it’s helping a parent or sibling or maybe it’s girlfriend related.
  • As others mentioned, your salary could change a lot a lot. A great deal of my friends either left the field or pursued an alternate opportunity that had more delayed comp.
  • I think mentioned one-off things, but you are going to travel or you should. 
     

In summary, I used to do a budget like this and I found it was kinda false precision and being retrospective gave me more informative info. So here’s what I do now and what I moved to after I got a few years of experience budgeting:

  • Max out my tax advantaged accounts (401k, the tax deduction for 529 plan for my grad school, my soon to be wife’s, and eventually kids)
  • Search for good housing deals constantly and at about 25, I found a place that I thought I valued more than the market because it had unique attributes that I overvalued relative to others and I’ve just kept re-renting this spot even with the rent increases because it has positive attributes and moving often ends up being expensive from a time and stress perspective . As an example, my building has no amenities, but is next door to a grocery store and gym and transportation. It is an ugly building, but has floor to ceiling windows. It was gross and I redid much of the unit with little things like painting etc. and the result is even including all the improvements, my monthly living expenses are way lower than anyone else I know and my place is nice. Housing is your biggest expense, so it’s worth looking for good deals here.
  • Track my spending using mint each month and evaluate where things are trending and why. In my mind there are 3 types of expenses: 1) necessary (can’t avoid them like rent) 2) hard to avoid (going to a wedding, dinner for a friends birthday that 20 people went to) 3) fully discretionary (subscriptions, buying stuff on Amazon, going out). In my opinion, given the salary you make in finance, you should not be the guy bailing on life experiences or refusing to go to a wedding to save money or people will think you are an ass and you will have no friends. Similarly, in theory you could eat rice and beans and live in a shithole, but that’s not the point. If 3 starts to get a little whack, in a month I make adjustments.

In general, I’d say this is a great exercise to understand how you spend and what opportunities are, but I’d recommend being retrospective and not ignoring the impact of one-off expenses.

 

Adding to you, OP, and others in this thread. This is the way—really. I can’t express how life changing being responsible with a budget is.

I’ve made this point in other threads, but I always come back to it. There are 3 types of people in regards to budgeting:

1) those who are backed by their parents and don’t need to budget

2) those who don’t budget because they are stupid or they really just can’t afford living because their jobs and situations are unideal

3) those who budget 

If you look around, a vast majority are 1 and 2, so if you look at what your friends do you will end up broke or in an unideal situation. It’s been stunning as an adult learning about people with 500k+ salaries being broke or with basically no savings. Or people who haven’t budgeted for a kids education despite having a huge home—it’s like wtf are you doing?
 

If you do budget and pay attention, and really the biggest one is not moving up your rent/living expenses too quickly, you can really save and compound a non-negligible amount of cash. Just some basic math, I had a ton of IB friends that paid $2300 a month in rent to my ~1700 early on. That’s post tax 7k a year or pre tax like 10k. Over a decade and including market returns, you quickly approach basically an entire house down payment on a home for yourself or your parents, or a base that will easily grow to a full college tuition anywhere through just living in a cheaper place by having a roommate or not jumping the gun on luxury. 
 

Eventually, you learn the advantage of making a lot of money and saving the first few years of your career also eventually gives you the ability to take more career risk and leave the rat race if you want because your passive income starts to be really significant. If you assume a 5% return is achievable and bank 1m between pre and post tax accounts, you have 50k of passive accumulating every year. This all of sudden makes taking a 50k pay cut less of a serious issue, so pursuing entrepreneurship, a growth opportunity, or just a passion project is possible while still being very financially responsible. 

 

Adding another thing here on purchases I made that I regretted and ones I didn’t:

Huge Regret Purchases:

  • Cheap things I needed to rebuy several years later. Specifically, a couch, pots and pans, a lamp, a bed frame. All of them I thought I was being frugal and ended up just buying twice.
  • Drugs & expensive alcohol outside of special occasions

Things I enjoy immensely and believe I have gotten more than the value I bought them for:

  • A new ~6k leather couch 
  • An upgraded TV every 5 years, find a model a year behind or right as the new tvs come out and get a middle-high end one
  • Middle-high quality pots and pans
  • High quality dress shirts
  • A new car (not talking a Porsche, talking something in the 38-48k range) that you can rely on for a decade and be happy with it without sacrificing safety
  • a new coffee table
  • A great vacuum
  • A new high end mattress
  • New sheets 
  • A trip to Europe with 3 of my closest friends and another international one with my girlfriend surprising her
  • 2 yearly trips to domestic cheaper locations where I visit my high school friends and college friends
  • A ring

These are some of the outlier purchases and some recommendations I’d make. Don’t be so afraid of saving you miss memories and moments and also don’t be so stingy you need to double buy shit because you get crap things that wear out fast.

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