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No mention of FT offers, Citi must be an anomaly.
I don't think people were expecting JPM/GS to follow through due to their low return offer rates and that they over hire SAs always. I think the real question is on what the rest of the mid-tier BBs do and if any other EBs follow.
Where did this narrative develop that GS/MS intentionally overhire and have low offer rates. The couple peers in my group this past summer who didn’t get offers were borderline useless at best and did not deserve the opportunity to come back. But there were several total duds (both in terms of output and attitude) who got offers... not sure this is accurate today (if it ever was)
Given that they're making the virtual internship as long as they can, it seems that they'll try and evaluate us based on our performance... looks like I'll need to get satellite internet or something out there.
Any idea on whether this will look more like a virtual course (like some other firms have made) or more like a traditional internship?
Nope. The only thing they told us is that it's virtual. They haven't commented on the format of it. They did mention presentations, though...
Interesting -- I have no mention of presentations in either of my emails... just some sort of virtual programming. Perhaps it varies based on group.
True I just saw that in the survey. Looks like we will be using our own computers too if possible... sounds like a security nightmare for their IT department. Also not sure why they're fine with us using Macs, since I would assume that all their stuff is done on Windows.
Which finance firms have made virtual programs? Ik some consulting, tech, and general business ones have
Fuckkkkk the girls in 1OAK will have to wait an entire year for my job title flex, was looking forward to popping my cherry :(
what’s 10AK?
I told you. JP/MS/GS DON'T have the need to give everyone a FT offer. I also heard from a friend that there won't even be groups for the summer. Also an Associate friend of mine told me that it is going to look absolutely brutal with offers this year... I always told you!
Humble
Can’t wait to run excel on my 2012 MacBook
Hopefully JPM issues work laptops to the people that need them!
Yea last year when I interned at JPM we weren't given laptops...
You should just quit now if you're gonna try excel on a MacBook.
More shockingly, going to college in 2020 using a 2012 Macbook. It would be like me going to college using Windows 98. Come on, bruh. Take 1 week's internship salary and buy a halfway decent computer...
Nice
I wouldn't worry about that. When I was at JPM they used VDI to log in. Basically you would just be logging onto their virtual server, your actual laptop would just be a screen. As long as you have a laptop you should be fine.
I never understood why so many incoming interns were convinced that all the BBs will extend FT offerings just because Citi did so.
From the BB's perspective, they will try to opt for maximum flexibility. Which means they will try to hold off on giving FT offers as long as possible so they have a chance to assess the business situation a few months down and what headcount should be.
The truth is that one of two things will happen: 1. Near 100% retention rate all almost all of the interns get FT offers if the BBs think that business outlook is quickly become favorable again - in this case the virtual internship basically counted for nothing 2. Business outlook worsens and BBs expect long recovery; this case, retention rate is drastically lowered to maybe 50% FT (or less) offers given out
My BB has said they will try to accommodate interns who have difficulties with WFH. But it's starting to sound like automatic FT offers is not a possibility. Incoming interns at Citi are extremely lucky.
Which BB do you work at, if you dont mind? US/European?
The lack of offers was foreseeable... I wrote multiple times that the top tier banks have like 50-60% offer rates- so it would be impossible for them to extend FT to everyone. I suspect this virtual program will end with a massive presentation in which the interns will get grilled on technicals and those that understand their role the best will get offers. I was an intern at JPM/GS/MS and they did this in person to weed out weak interns in the last couple weeks because they had all been performing well and needed something to differentiate them based on. Good luck- let the hunger games begin lmao
Damn, that sounds brutal lmao
What was the return offer rate at the end? Like 50%?
My specific situation there were two/three roles available and 7 interns gunning for it- was extremely brutal
hey, can you elaborate on your experience? how many people got returns and what differentiated them? thanks so much
It's basically just like a case study. They will probably give you a certain deal to analyze, M&A, LBO, etc. depending on what group you're in. Then you will have to create a presentation that outlines various components of the deal process: whats involved, explanation of the business and its industry, create an operating model/merger model/LBO model. Then you will most likely present this to your intern manager and various members of the team (analysts, associates, etc.) At the end they will ask you questions which are probably extremely difficult in order to see who really knows their shit. Then after they deliberate, they will combine all of their info about your responsiveness, effectiveness taking notes, etc and once they are told how many analysts they are allowed to take for next year they will make a decision on who to extend an offer to.
Can confirm this is true for US BBs with the exception of Citi...it was awful cutting interns and analysts did not have a huge say.
As an analyst, how did you distingush and evaluate the interns in the return offer process?
This is just not true across all groups JPM/MS/GS -- maybe for your particular group in your particular firm, but definitely not for all groups. Several MS/GS groups had quite high return offer rates
Is this for London as well, or NYC only?
Same email for London
Thanks!
What are the Sales and Trading Summer analysts going to do?
Order takeout
*Order Uber Eats
I honestly dont know how we're gonna shadow ppl.... and how the return rate is gonna be
me neither....assume pretty low return rate
last year at JPM FT offer rate ranged from 50-60% across the board. Would imagine it to be alot tighter this year
I think that return rate would be high for groups that are performing well during this crisis.. such as fixed income
My original official end date is end of July (for the office in my country). I can't extend beyond to mid August due to some mandatory school commitment (some program). Do you think they would be okay w my commitment of just 4 weeks? I really hope they don't drop me because of my inability to work till mid august
Honestly, it is just 5 weeks and you want to reduce it to 4 weeks just because of some school stuff? If you want the FT offer don't do it and try to manage that with the school. As it is virtual anyway it should be a problem. God damn you students are so entitled
what if it’s an exam? I have 4 finals postponed to July and it will most likely eat into the programme
Used to be my case. You can try to be extremely exceptional the first four weeks but it's very unlikely. What I did was trying to convince the school. I asked for any precedent cases (you would never be alone) and any alternative ways I can make up for it. There must a way. Good luck.
Anyone knows the return rate for S&T in New York?
Bad
how bad
I bet Citi is kicking themselves in the foot thinking "F***, we didn't have to do that" now that other banks aren't following them
Kicking themselves in the foot? Which foot? The same foot they're kicking with, or the other foot?
Stepping on sharp Lego blocks
Citi was never competing with the likes of JP/GS/MS, most opinions from the get go pretty much agreed that these banks with larger SA classes and lower conversion rates would be the last to give auto offers. The pressure is being applied more so on the mid-tier BB's, and in all honesty regardless of whether the other banks copy or not, I know for sure that this whole fiasco has put Citi in a much better light to all current/incoming interns and speaks volumes about their culture. I know interns who picked their BAML offer over Citi this year, and you can bet that's not going to be the case next year so bravo to them. I can only imagine how grateful the incoming Citi SA's with auto-offers feel, and I think that's going to show in their work rate and loyalty towards the firm in the future.
nah this ain't it
yeah there’s video of their cfo delivering the news to a SA pretty cool culture
Turned down a superday with CITI IBD and took my MM offer as soon as I got it.. Fuck my life ahah
wondering how the return rate in AM will look like this year
me too. Hoping its decent since the groups are much smaller
My friend told me the SA class this year in APAC def seems much smaller. don’t know about the US
I'm in PWM at a regional office and didn't get the update. Did the email go to only certain divisions/locations?
heard my friend who is in HK/Singapore office received the email today tho
*also a PWM SA
SA in WM in NYC if anyone knows anything
Did you get the email today about going virtual?
Yeah just saw it was wondering if anyone knows what JPM's return offer rates are for WM
Anyone knows the return rate of JPM S&T NYC? heard it was pretty bad at around 60%
In my class last year it was exactly 50% I don’t know if they hired externally
it was way too low...you mean across all S&T desks?
when i was given the offer, ED told me it was 75%....
Hey y'all, I'm one of the summer analysts in the GFBM program. It seems that we're doing the internship fully remote. Does this have an impact on FT offers they'll give out during the end of the summer? I'm a bit surprised JPM didn't follow through like Citi or other major banks. We're only working from early July to mid August, so time is of the essence. I'm a rising senior and hoping to land a FT offer, however, it seems tougher by the day. Lmk your thoughts or advice I can use to my advantage.
Hi, I am also an incoming summer analyst in the GFBM program. I don't believe I can offer advice nor PM you but I figured it's good to identify who's together (since we're in the same program).
I would imagine that being attentive, diligent, and really just trying your best given the circumstances will have some weight with the decision makers. Just my two cents.
70-80% too in my city
JPM specifically overhires, at least in IB/S&T so there was no chance of free returns. Citi does not and tries to save a spot per intern.
Does anyone know what return offer rates look like for EMEA/LatAm/APAC type groups?
^^
^Any thoughts?
This is all great and all but I am mostly concerned about one thing and it's not FT offers: do we still get Seamless credits and Uber rides??? How dare they not mention it! I got into IB mostly for those ://
Anyone else have someone reach out from their teams to check in?
Did someone reach out to you?
Yeah, but it was more like a simple check in. Just surprised they are reaching out this early
Lol wow this post was cited by the New York Times: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/20/business/dealbook/summer-internship-…
lmao- priceless
Holy fuck XD
“Mom I’m on the news”
Look - make up your mind to see everything in a positive light. Stay in shape and you'll wear those nice new clothes. A second monitor is a very worthwhile, inexpensive investment...even a laptop is if need be. Think long-term. This position at this firm is going to be a huge boon to you, your resume, your career if you make it work for you. You are talking pennies compared to thousands long-term. So many students who have hustled are going to miss out on opportunities because of this crisis - you are the lucky one. Best thing is to be super excited and motivated, and remove all the critical, negative, complaining thinking. The fact that a top institution who's CEO almost died a few weeks ago and is down 59% is even worrying about "doing our best to give you a meaningful internship experience" is off-the-charts fortunate, amazing and fabulous. Be GRATEFUL! ; ) Good luck, knock em dead - get the monitor, you can even get second-hand from Craigslist -
How were return offers for AI/ ML summer program last year? How would it be this year? Would data scientist full time conversion have any effect?
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Return rates for S&t?
How much is the one time $2500 payment after tax?
No idea, it was a basically a "relocation" stipend - tbh, I didn't know they were taxed.
It depends on your tax bracket and withholding status. You'll pay taxes on it next year most likely, and that amount will depend on your marginal rate after your earnings in 2020. Previous housing stipends I have received from internships were always the full amount, with no withholding, and I paid taxes on it the following year. On the other hand, some companies I know pay a bit extra to compensate for taxes (they guess what your marginal rate will be based on the internship earnings) or they issue it as part of the paycheck and you do not get a 1099. Either way, if it's a stipend, you don't have to pay Medicare taxes etc. on it -- just income taxes.
Anyone know why we got less than 2500?
taxes
how much did you receive
Around 1500, not sure how taxes are 40%. It's a lot better than nothing, at least we get it still!
The taxes are probably high because of we’re paid at the analyst base prorated to the length of the internship. But there’s a good chance we’ll get money back with tax returns.
Did anyone hear back about when the end date is for internships?
most likely AUG 10th
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