Lifestyle Groups
Let's get an updated list going. Which groups would you choose to maximize your pay per hour? I think we can all agree Baird Industrials and all groups at Jeffries can be scratched off the list...
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TD pays really well and you don't work extremely long.
would echo this, street (above street) pay and great hours for banking
WF besides a couple sweaty groups
Which groups are sweaty?C&R? industrials?
regal, fig, industrials. tmt is a pitch shop. heard mixed things about sponsors getting worked too
Energy too
There are more than a few MM balance sheet banks that fit the bill. >50% of the associates in my group have been averaging sub-60 hour weeks for well over a year now, a couple are probably below 50 if I had to guess.
Name a few examples?
i can only think of Truist / TD bank as fitting this definition
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TD - good pay, low hours, and no flow. They also don't do a lot of mass layoffs compared to other bad franchises since it's IB is a growth area for the firm. You will once in a while do financings, but never do a lead left, no M&A outside of LMM, and very rarely MM deals. A lot of my friends at TD at the ED/MD level are making a killing with great WLB, also very few assholes at the firm which is actually huge. Kind of a dead-end job, but it's very chill and you can make a great paycheck for a while going around MM firms like TD as a senior.
Would also second WF with the caveat that the firm does have deal flow, so you'll get some longer weeks here and there. However, pay and people are good for most groups. WF is also bringing in new, great MDs seemingly every week and has the advantage of having very strong commercial lending relationships in the US. Think WF is heavily underrated as a place to be for a longer-term banking career. Also, as another bright side, you will actually build your Rolodex aggressively at WF and will certainly win more deals than if at TD. The seniors they bought in are super nice and actually help junior MDs and EDs build their relationship book, which truly isn't the case everywhere.
As a junior, why would you want to join a bank with no deal flow? This prohibits your career growth, puts you at extreme risk of getting canned in a downturn and likely leads to having a shitty bonus (unlike MD's / ED's who can go years without brining in $ without getting canned...)
think you have that reversed - seniors are much more liable to get cut than juniors if revenue dries up. You may see more juniors getting cut in absolute numbers because there are way more of them in general.
As a datapoint for energy - 2 of the top 3 dumbest people I’ve ever met were associates at WF Houston
Would assume your comment refers to CLT and some NYC teams
Moelis HCS
DB?
Morgan Stanley - Financial Sponsors
KKR
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Absolutely not a lifestyle group LMAO
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