Problems Interviewing--Need Advice
I've been through summer recruiting twice now, once as a freshman and again as a sophomore. In addition, I've had phone interviews during the year, so all in all I would say that my resume is not really a problem.
I have been noticing some things though:
- No one reads the resume
- One of the "leadership" positions on my resume overshadows all of my previous work experience, and accomplishments.
- I've never been asked about my interests outside of school clubs
For the first, I've had more than several interviewers/networking calls/etc., who have asked me to send my resume and have said they found it impressive, but utterly fail to remember what's on it. Even to the point where people start to define investment banking to me, when I have an IB internship listed prominently on my resume, with several transactions under it.
For the second, my leadership position in a lesser-known financial club at my school dominates all of my conversations. No one has asked about my internships, my sports, my other clubs, anything. It's all "what did you do as the X of Y club?"
The third kind of frustrates me as well. I get stopped so frequently in such a short speech that I can't ever get to the good stuff--the things that might actually make an interviewer like me. My sports and hobbies are all very important to me, and I think the other parts of my resume (as well as my spiels about why IB, etc.) reflect my interest in finance well.
Sorry for the wall of words. I'm not looking for resume help or anything like that, as it's been edited countless times before, just wondering generally what's going through the interviewer's mind. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
What is your major concern right now? That the interviewers don't get to hear your whole story before they interrupt you? If they interrupt, it's probably because they'd like to steer the interview towards that particular topic; you should take note of what they hone in because you probably should adapt your story to focus on that particular topic. If more than 2 interviewers focus on that said topic, you know where the meat of your story is.
It's your job to emphasize what is important.
When you talk to recruiters/hr makes sure you highlight your IB internship more so than your leadership experience (if that's the angle you're going for). When they start explaining IB to you, politely (don't be a cock shmuck) explain to them all of the things you learned at your internship and throw in a 1 or 2 big words just to give them the 'gotcha' that you 'got it'. Do not say 'Ha. Well I know what Investment Banking is. I'm practically a pro at it!' Be tactful and classy.
Dude I wouldn't worry about recruiters not asking you extra curriculars.. I rarely get asked mine. In this market they just want experience and smarts.. batta bing batta boom. They don't give a shit if you were in Phi Sigma Cocka or if you like to play horseshoes with your buds on the weekends.
Morever, an interviewer can get a good grasp of who you are over the phone just by your tone of voice. Act introverted and speak softly and they will grasp that you probably don't have much extra curricular activities going on anyways. Act cool and collected, laughing every now and then (but still serious) and they will grasp that you probably have a life outside of the phone call.
I don't really know what else to add man.. if you have something that the interviewer or recruiter has not 'grasped' about you, it's only up to you and you alone to let them know.
On the basis of how you write it appears you are way too verbose and can't get your points out concisely. You are a useless college student with no real experience to validate any future potential with a prospective employer. You need to learn to get what you want out to say within 30 seconds when opening your mouth. Interviewers have small attention spans that attenuate that younger and more inexperienced the applicant is. Practice concisely answering questions and not rhuminating on useless shit that you most certainly are and get to the point of your stories asap.
If some areas of your resume are dominating conversations moreso than you like, then you as an interviewee have a certain degree of control in brining up other areas of your resume for your interiewer's edification. Do it, and do it concisely.
If you don't want them to ask about your club position, leave it off your resume or just list it under activities.
Thanks for the comments. I can definitely see that I come across as verbose and will practice being concise.
I want to highlight to interviewers that I joined the club when I wasn't sure what I wanted to do within finance. After my internships, I feel more confident in picking IB. I chose to stick with the club because of the opportunity to show leadership, not because it's what I want to do to start off my career. Is that ok to say outright in an interview, especially when the questions are about my responsibilities, not why I joined the club?
What kind of club is it? It's kind of hard to offer suggestions without specifics. I assume it's something unrelated to IB but still in finance.
It's a finance related club that brings in speakers from the industry (which is in financial services but not IB). It's mostly for people who want to get an intro to the field from someone who works in it.
Saying you're not interested in a finance related club when you want to work in IB because the club is not IB related has to be one of the stupidest responses I ahve ever heard, and if I were interviewing you I'd ding you asap. Use your brain. Do you know what IB entails? Do you also know that a major exit opp for many MDs in IB is corp fin, where many ex bankers go into companies they advise as CFOs? IBs work closely with corp fin execs on the broker/dealer side whether it be for the issue of new securities or a transaction. You are completely unprepared for interviews and your understanding of banking is weak. You need to learn how to incorporate what you learned from your experience and how it will help you become a stronger banker. If you were interacing with several fin people across different industries, then use that to strengthen your generalist abiity to understand the financial metrics of different industries quickly, as many analysts start out as generalts within any BB. Or, if you were interacting with corp fin execs, use that to indicate your ability to interact with the client, ultimately an IB is nothing more than a consultant at the end of the day.
I don't know what school you goto but i hope you are not reflective of the candidate ability pool.
Socola2003--
Thanks for ripping me a new one. The club is not corporate finance related in the sense that you mean. What it seems like you're telling me is that one shouldn't de-emphasize an equity research or stock-picking club when applying for an IB position, because both are finance and bankers sometimes go to hedge funds after a couple years. If that's right, then I haven't heard that before and I'll take it into account. If that's not really what you meant, then I think you missed the point of my post.
I also never said I "wasn't interested"--only that I didn't want to start my career in the field. I don't understand how you got that impression from what I posted, but I do agree with everything you're saying about corporate finance, because it's right. Unfortunately I'm not talking about corporate finance, so maybe it's my bad for not wanting to give out too many specifics.
Don't say it's not a field you want to start your career in, even if it's true. You should instead say you've explored that path, but because of your internship at IB doing X, Y, Z, you are more interested in doing IB instead.
If it's an eq res club there's a lot of parity between the skills required in ER and ibanking, so I don't see how your discounting an ER club could in any way help you move forward in an IB position. What I'm telling you is that many positions, if not most, in finance are inter-related in terms of the skill sets required, so don't go off saying "i want to be a banker and only did the ER club to get leadership positions" because then you sound stupid. Instead, you can say "IB is the best fit for my interests post college and I can further enhance my analyst experiene by bringing the skills i developed leading the ER club, namely XXX". That comes off a lot smoother and smarter than a whiny little useless undergrad (which you are as everyone in undergrad is regardless if you're at Wharton or McGill) crying to join a bank as an analyst. Again, you need to be smart about your responses, being brutally honest in interviews is never a good idea; you're marketing yourself to a firm, ask yourself this, is there any truth in advertising?
Thanks, that's more what I was trying to get ask. I'll just go with the flow and hope it works. I can tell the story well (show what skills I have and stuff) but I guess you're right in that it doesn't make sense to try and steer the conversation so much.
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I don't really need help with the resume and am a bit paranoid about posting it even with the anonymization--there are only so many resume templates floating around the college communities.
gl. dont forget to be concise in your responses, rambling is an evident sign of BS.
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