The most OVERRATED school for IB
Title explains everything. What school is given a lot of praise for being a good business school, but does not necessarily place well for Wall Street?
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I went to HYP. It places decently, but not lights out as kids here like to think.
What % of students would say get BB/EB out of the students that are interested and apply? What % about of kids with average/slightly below average GPAs getting IB?
I’d say if you really want to get into IB and are. Willing to put in the work, pretty much anyone can do it. Not sure about breakdown of BB/IB/MM/boutique though. People end up all over the place. Some schools are over represented at certain banks and underrepresented at others.
Did you go to all 3 of them? If not, be more specific
I agree. Currently at HYP. Definitely looks good on the resume and all, but people also don’t realize that you’re pretty much on your own when it comes to recruiting. No support from the school, no finance classes (at least where I am), and our career center is a joke.
I wouldn’t want to go anywhere else, though— people I’ve met here have been amazing. I genuinely feel like I am a much better critical thinker as a result of where I go. But everything recruiting-wise is entirely self-driven.
Recruiting has been a self driven process for a while, even for target schools. Career centers are an extremely outdated concept lol. Outside of scheduling OCR events and the occasional resume review, they're really not that useful anymore considering the fact that no one applies to jobs "in person" anymore like the pre-internet days
uva
poor troll attempt, the placements at that school speak for themselves
if uva is overrated so are mich, cal, and duke
leave it to UVA kids to think theyre at the level of Duke
Grad or undergrad
Incoming Darden shade. McIntire certainly isn't overrated.
McIntire graduate here. I'm mid bucket and I'm still in IB (MM/balance sheet bank). Plenty of people place better than me. I won't call this "overrated". We are not as good as Wharton or Harvard for sure, but hey it's not bad.
undergrad
I'd go with Ohio St. Fisher. Very small representation, if any, from my interactions.
I’ll get this party started: SMU
It can’t be overrated if everyone already knows placement is weak
Lmfao
Last two analyst cycles I've seen, new hires/interns out of TCU >> SMU
I'd go as far to say that the veeeeeerrry small number of Baylor candidates are better than the SMU kids, although I admit the obvious survivorship bias makes this a very apples and oranges comparison.
baylor has like the worst business school in texas. if you want to talk about the state as a whole, texas a&m blows these shit schools out of the water...right up there with UT
SMU places decent in Houston
Didn’t go to SMU but work at a top shop in Houston. SMU places way better than TCU/A&M. SMU places at most of the top shops in Houston and has strong pipelines to Citi and Moelis NY. Also the quality of Alts kids is only matched by top UT and Rice kids.
Wharton lmao
Agreed. Have a friend there now who landed a job but he told me its way too competitive for the max 2-3 slots per bank (and usually 1-2 spots).
Wash U. Olin; Is ranked really highly but doesn't place well on the street. Good for consulting/pm stuff recent years
Can we all just collectively agree U of Miami (OH) grads are fkn useless
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I know a couple grads who are very qualified, but yeah as a whole they're useless. The whole public ivy stuff is a load of bs imo.
gotta be UVA - defended like crazy for no reason
Second
Guessing its kids who couldn't go to legitimate targets and need to exaggerate for their egos. UVA is either spoiled legacy frat bros, nerdy TJHSST kids, or plain idiotic VCCS transfers.
I'm a student here, love it, but won't pretend that the % of kids we send into high finance is better than what you would find at a typical semitarget.
do you consider duke and gu semitargets then? because if you look at placements online uva places the same/more. if your definition of a target is just HYPSW schools then you're out of touch with the landscape nowadays
sounds like you're claiming to go to uva just so you can give your bullshit comment more credibility. uva is a name that is well regarded and known by every bank on the street; just like those other two grea schools
any public school and nyu stern
Strong Michigan and UVA reacts.
Do you think UVA is a target?
Are all these anonymous interns the same person? I mean you gotta be something to at once shit on Wharton, UVA, and Stern.
Any state school that we say places well because they have some super highly selective IB workshop or honors program where only those kids get in and no one else. Looking at IU IB Workshops, UF-MSF, Penn State NLF, etc.
I go to UF and those who don’t do MSF still end up at solid MM shops (STRH/RJ/WF). Sure it’s no Goldman but it’s not bad for a nontarget.
UIUC Gies IB Academy
UIUC Gies IB Academy
Damn Billy, you really riling the kids up. So many triggered "interns" haha
I go to UVA (3rd year, doing IB this summer), in the comm school there are about ~370 3rd year students. No clue how many want to do finance / banking, but probably a decent amount. most comm school students do IB, consulting, accounting, AM. very rarely into PE or HF but I do have some friends that jumped right in.
id say ive seen over 20ish kids go top tier BB (GS, MS, JPM), 20-30 go BB but lower tier (CS, BAML, UBS), 30-40 go middle market, and 10+ go EBs. I don't have other schools #s to compare it to, but I'd say thats pretty damn good...def not overrated lol.
this is 100% accurate and you are even probably understating the placement. people hate on UVA on wso because they're miserable at their stern/wharton while we have a blast on grounds
Clown
Yea man, playing soft ball in pink pants is awesome
Compliance/HR at the BBS?
I graduated from the MS Commerce this past year. I won't compare my program's placement to BS Comm since BS Comm's is way better.
Out of 40 finance track students in my program, we have the following placement: McKinsey, Bain, Greenhill, CS LevFin, Harris Williams x 2, Stifel, MM PE, boutique IB doing healthcare in Charlotte (myself but I turned down the offer), RBC, boutique IB doing fintech (not FTP).
Those are only students whom I know well. There are a few other students I don't know well or barely talk to.
This is 11/40 already getting IB/top consulting offers, give or take I would say 15/40 got offers comparable to IB offers or actual IB offers. That's about 37.5%. I won't say this rate is low.
This is for UVa's MS commerce program. For BS commerce it is only better. I don't know why people throw MS at comments saying UVa is def a target.
what does UNC have to do with anything?
I'd toss out a wildcard here: UC Berkeley. Unfortunately for them, a lot of IB/CO/Tech recruiters use them as the backup pool to Stanford because of geographic proximity. It's a shame really, it's not as though the kids are significantly less talented or hardworking, they're just screwed based on the fact many firms have smaller offices along the West Coast and therefore have less spots they need to fill.
Also the competition is there insane. Many berkeley students would be better off going to another school where they could hae a big fish advantage
Maybe for IB and CO but UCB is on par with Stanford in Tech. UCB/Stanford/MIT/CMU are the top 4 placements for FAANG and elite unicorns
Stanford and MIT are a clear tier above cmu/cal for tech and especially for classes/overcrowding in their CS departments.
I agree. Haas is extremely competitive, and the math majors and stem double majors out score the business students all the time for the best internships. You pretty much have to be a double threat to make it in the bay area if you want a good placement. sad.
From what I see, Haas is in no way competitive against some of the East Coast targets in terms of quality of candidates Some of the people there (personally know >10) are SO BAD
LOL if you have half a pulse at cal you can land a banking gig. Some of the most entitled, lazy, and ungrateful kids coming out of that school. Had one a couple years back who had his offer rescinded for lying about interning at a "PE firm" - turned out to be a company he made up. Another one claimed he ran some consulting firm that did web development for "dozens" of F1000 companies. All turned out to be BS.
I don’t really know what you mean by that. “Half a pulse” either you are saying that banking in itself isn’t competitive or that their are so many spots open for Cal students that anyone can get them? Either way the comment makes very little sense. I’m gonna go out on a limb and say you aren’t a Cal or Haas alum.
I also wanna say that getting into Haas from Cal is VERY hard. To get into Cal first, maintain a great gpa and one of the hardest institutions in the world and do a secondary application after that to get into the business school... yes it is very hard. There is a reason it is such a small program. My initial post was to highlight the difficulty of conversion due to the competitive nature of being a student at Cal.
For undergrads? Dartmouth for sure! Most of my former interns/analysts from Dartmouth were not that good.
were you referring to EB/BB level?
Dartmouth is one of the top schools for buyside out of undergrad. Your comment is totally wrong
To be honest WUSTL doesn't seem horrible (certainly improved over the years) but not exactly close to anything else. I'd agree that WUSTL seems like a solid semitarget (probably a stretch what do I know) for MBB and probably a target for like Stifel lmao
Brown/Cornell
Are you saying Cornell because there's lots of smart qualified candidates and not everyone gets offers?
I figured Brown would be good place to go for IB because there's not much competition, you disagree?
Former Brown student here. We don’t get as much recruitment as the top targets (around 75% of the major banks come) but it’s fairly easy to get an offer since there’s maybe 25 kids total who want to do banking. Just for perspective, when Centerview came there were like 9 kids total at the info session. Most people who wanted to do banking from my year ended up with top offers. Consulting is much bigger here, with MBB each taking double digit numbers
hoes mad
I’ve had some awful experience with Brown undergrads, but in terms of overrated grad schools, INSEAD takes the cake
Here in the UK: Cass Business School, as well as their ‘masters in in’
Probs Mcintire. With the recruiting deadline being moved earlier and earlier. There's literally no point for it since you'll be done with Junior year recruiting by the time your actually in Mcintire. Have fun competing with 1000+ other UVA econ majors for banking jobs!
Is UVA econ a target?
UVA as a whole is still target but I'm just saying that there's no real point for Mcintire as you'll already be done for junior recruiting. Keep in mind that it'll be harder to break in from Econ as basically everyone interested in IB will me majoring in something similar.
Buddy at Rutgers said they have gassed up recruiting programs and stories.
How is Unc
Lots end up in CLT which is understandable
UNC is a true semi target school, very possible to get BB NYC without having to be in any specific clubs etc.
How is Boston college versus Boston university?
Both pretty shit, in my experience BC is heavily overrated while I've never even seen a BU kid yet.
Dude, I think you should ask these questions to BC/BU students. A lot of the information on this website is false. Some schools are overexaggerated and some schools are shit on for no reason.
I interned at an EB(CVP/EVR/LAZ) and my MD was a BC Alum. So that definitely means something if you want to break into the firm I interned at.
But the other person is right. I haven't met too many people from BU in banking.
Not great but not no names. Didn’t go to either but have friends at both. If you’re well qualified from either and put in the work, youll be ok, but I don’t think either get much OCR from big names, if any at all.
I'll disagree with the other sentiments about both being bad. BC alum, and I can say that the resources are certainly there if you want to do it. Getting into IBST is certainly incredibly helpful, but even if not you can make way. THe alumni are absolutely great and most BC people end up being incredibly chill and will offer to take networking calls, mock interviews, outwardly tell you that they are moving through the pipeline. What's interesting, though, is with no frats on campus you have a much bigger advantage finding that via clubs (like club soccer for example). Know plenty of people that placed in BBs. EBs I think are a different story but it's definitely still do able. Even BU, I don't think it's that bad. Don't really know how flushed out the resources / pipeline is at BU but I've definitely stumbled upon folks who went into banking just casually on LinkedIn.
Also, BC gets plenty of OCR. If anything, it's much much harder to go to, say, MBB compared to BB IB.
BC student rn. You're correct. Breaking into Banking isn't quite difficult with the resources/OCR that is provided to us. However, it is pretty hard to break into MBB. I have met some people who did an IB SA and then MBB full time.
When did I say BC was a bad school? Its heavily overrated because people like you consider it a semi-target when it honestly doesn't stack up with other colleges considered to be in that tier.
Semi-target colleges: Vanderbilt, WashU Olin, Middlebury, UNC KF, USC Marshall, UT Austin McCombs, UCLA, CMC, Emory Goizueta, Rice, and CMU Tepper. One thing all these schools have in common is that they're at least regional targets in where they are situated. BC has to compete with Tufts, Wellesley, and BU to fight for the scraps left by Harvard and MIT in Boston. It gets even tougher in NYC. And thats not even considering the west coast.
I know you're a BC student but be honest with yourself, if you were good enough to get into the semi-target colleges I listed above, then this wouldnt be a debate
I go to Williams, so take my info with a grain of salt.
From my understanding breaking into IB is pretty difficult at BU, not impossible though. Im not sure about BC but I see a lot of incoming SAs to a bunch of BB/EB(especially Citi).
BC blows BU out of the water. Punches way above its weight class and always places really well - 4 at GS already this summer
How about Duke?
All top tier schools are overrated.
The underdog mentality is a true force of power.
Moelis best bank, Princeton best school
What a shit take
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