Can't even get a first date from the apps

I've worked hard to improve my physique, always had a ton of friends and have a great personality but dating in general has been too difficult for me. I've never had a girlfriend before (turning 26 soon) and have always been rejected for relationships in high school and college (minus for random hookups that probably happened only because I joined a fraternity in sophmore year). 

While introspecting, I think it's coming down to the fact that 1) I'm not very rich 2) not very good looking (average at best). All my rich high school friends had girlfriends, all my good looking friends get hookups without even talking to the girl at the bars. 

It just sucks to have worked on myself so much only to get outdone by the parts of your physical attributes that are completely out of control (like face). I think sometimes the things that matter the most are always out of your control. 

Dating apps are a disaster for me since I can't even get a first date, even though I get some matches. Even if I look organically, I am so busy with my job and don't have the time to make a proactive effort to build a vast social network.

If anyone has been through this before, or knows of someone like this, how did this situation improve? Cuz right now I have 0 hope

 
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Bro why the fuck are you using dating apps? Tinder sucks absolute donkey penis G. Your literally competing against hundreds of men for 4s. You need to be spending the weekend hitting the streets at night and just cold approaching every girl you think is semi attractive, beggars can't be choosers. Just go up to them, introduce yourself, mention how you wanted to approach them because you found them attractive, and ask for their insta. You ask for an insta because it's less creepy and less personal than a number, as girls will give their insta to anyone. This is where you make use of insta yourself to actually make yourself seem like an outgoing fun guy so that they see your profile when you go to add them. Travel photos, 1-2 photos with your shirt off flexing a pump, one with your friends doing something fun, one with a couple girls to make it seem like women are comfortable around you and your not some incel. You just need to approach as many women as possible so you get leads and used to rejection on the weekend.Btw physique only gets you so far. As a matter of fact, bodybuilding gets you more dudes than girls bro lmfao. The dudes that pull the most are not the alpha looking dudes with tats, it’s always some skinny semi attractive white dude who has game and confidence.

 

This is so absolutely hilarious and true. Idk who ever gave anyone the idea that getting jacked will get them girls. Since when was that true? It's like how guys don't all flock to the girl with the best makeup. Similarly for girls, (excessive) makeup only gets them other women

 

Nah, it's true. Guys just have it wrong to the extent. When I got jacked I literally went from never being approached to being hit on almost every time I went out. The difference is the range in which girls notice can be achieved in about a year (unless you are currently obese). That is along the lines of 12% bodyfat, some muscle definition (can bench your bw for reps), shoulder and chest that are broader than your waist, aka 'athletic' look. This look is still DYEL or just above DYEL to internet dwelling men, but the most attractive physique and build to women is 'the swimmer build', not hulk hogan.


Once you go from frail or skinny fat or fat to the above you should see significant difference in how you're treated by men and women. After that, the returns depreciate significantly. In terms of the numbers you are putting up on lifts, being 'big', extremely cut, etc. really wont impress most women unless they themselves are SERIOUSLY into fitness/lifting and are more niche. You could go up to a girl who spends 3-4 days in the gym and tell her you can bench 180 pounds, 280 pounds, or 380 pounds. You might as well be telling her that the color purple tastes better than the color green because to her it's made up nonsense and she wont be able to comprehend any of it. So you are right that once you get really into it you are only doing it for men. Which tbh is ok and actually more fun

 
You just need to approach as many women as possible so you get leads and used to rejection on the weekend. The dudes that pull the most are not the alpha looking dudes with tats, it's always some skinny semi attractive white dude who has game and confidence.

I think there's a LOT to be said about getting used to rejection. Across multiple facets of life, really. And certainly in work. I def try to lean into it as much as I can.  

Back in maybe 2018, I was at a bar in a city i was visiting and got into a conversation with a dude there. Looked like a fairly trendy person, grew up in the states, and spoke about his fiance. It was at least midnight.  Several minutes into the conversation, this other kid comes up to him who was on the complete opposite end of the spectrum in terms of looks and social ability, and he introduced him as his friend. I thought it was an odd pairing but didn't think anything else of it returned to my group. Throughout the night, I observed the funny looking kid approaching random groups of girls time and time again, and returning to his friend in between. 

Following night, I went back to the same place and ran into the same guy. Lo and behold, his awkward looking friend also shows up AGAIN. It was again well past midnight, and the kid would ping pong between groups of girls, rinse and repeat. At this point I straight up asked him what was going on, because the idea of someone with a fiance hanging out multiple nights past midnight with this strange looking kid doing god knows what just seemed unusual to me. He admitted that he hosts a workshop on how to pickup girls for fucking $2000 USD a weekend(!!!), and the awkward kid was actually one of his 'students'. He said he spends one night going through ppt slides with them before going out to bars to 'practice' the techniques. I was floored. 

I said, well isn't he gonna want his money back? Kid must've been wearing poon repellent the way he was taking L's left and right.. 

He dismissively shook his head and said 'learning to overcome rejection is the first step. once you're comfortable with that, then youll no longer be as afraid of approaching girls and we build from there.' I didn't press him for the advanced closing techniques after that (or maybe I was just too drunk), but that piece has always stuck with me ever since. 

Curious where that kid is today (the weird one). 

 

To expand upon this from a guy who has helped my buddies thru situations like this. Don’t spend the whole time talking about yourself. Ask them questions, allow them to talk. People walk away from conversations they aren’t interested in, or if you are just talking about yourself. People don’t walk away from conversations when they are the ones talking.

 

Bro there are 9 billion people alive. Ugly people get married by the billions. You’ll find someone.

And stop using money as a barometer or whatever the fuck you call it. Broke ass college students get laid all the time.

Keep getting in shape. Go out and meet people.

 

Do you have friends who are women? Because the way you talk about it, frankly it sounds like you have very little experience interacting with people of the opposite sex as actual people.

Unless you're like legitimately ugly, looks aren't really gonna be the issue when dating. If I had to make an analogy (esp on WSO), looks and other shit are like your resume. In some ways, what you have to work with is what you have to work with. However, you can spiff it up. Dress nice. Have good pictures with friends, doing activities. Generally look look like someone people want to get to know in your profile. Once you get a match or a date it's like the interview process. Figure out how to connect and shit. And yes, it does take multiple tries and practice.

Just because Chad McWorthington IV has a dad who is a MD at Apollo / a perfect jawline doesn't mean you can't figure out your own shit.

 

You don’t get dates from tinder or other apps, you get their IG / Snapchat, post cool shit on your stories/feedso they see it, and then hit them up a month or two later after you’ve been “vetted and preselected”

Also, you should always have a 4/10 on speed dial as backup. Helps with abundance mentality. Some 9/10 at the bar curved you? Fuck them.. the 4/10 prob puts more effort and swallows 

 

It seems like you have a desperation/attitude problem that people probably pick up on. If you can't fix the mentality and keep striking out you can always become a passport bro. I know 4s/5s who married 7s/8s by playing their cards right. It'll be obvious but if you find someone and it gets serious given how much of a loner nature you come across with in your post, will you really care?

But in general, ditch the apps. If you're not hot, you don't have a shot.

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Really believe Occam's Razor applies here. Work out if you personally want to get in shape. Do activities and hobbies that interest you where you can meet others. Go work in coffee shops. This way, when you potentially meet someone, you have a natural connection where it comes across as someone who genuinely wants to be friendly rather than "pick up-y". 

 

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Really believe Occam's Razor applies here. Work out if you personally want to get in shape. Do activities and hobbies that interest you where you can meet others. Go work in coffee shops. This way, when you potentially meet someone, you have a natural connection where it comes across as someone who genuinely wants to be friendly rather than "pick up-y". 

Yup just gonna take my 3 screen setup to Starbucks

 

I’ve posted this here before.

I married out of my coverage, it is common knowledge. You have to change your approach. I’m going to be long winded.

In college I had a buddy, call him Mike. Mike was one of those guys who girls approached, he had to do nothing, we could be in loud ass clubs, whatever girls flocked. His Instagram DMs were littered with model chicks, some NFL cheer leaders messaging him first….Also did VERY well on the apps. That being said, Mike is a doucheee. Cheated on his (super hot) wife a few months into their marriage and now divorced.

How can you use a situation like this in your favor? Residuals, hang out with Mike, don’t be too invested, the girls know he’s a prick, but he’s good looking.

I say all that to say, this will not work for you. You have to be funnier and smarter than you are good looking. RE-READ THAT LAST SENTENCE.

You need to be at bars/lounges where you showcase that you’re funny, that you’re smart. Do fun shit, pick up a hobby that requires some drive/dedication. Also, meet friends of friends, go to professional happy hours, meet homies, meet their girlfriends, meet her friends etc. The app game is not in your favor, not even close.

 
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I experienced something very similar. I always considered myself to be attractive, so naturally I thought I could get an 8+ ... turned out this was much too hard and took too much effort. Now, I have happily been in a relationship with my current girlfriend for almost a year. She may only be a 5 and the bros tells me she's ugly and looks like a man, but being with her is better than being lonely. Lower your standards and you'll find love, or something you can at least pretend is love.

 

facts. the relationship dynamic is more important than looks. and it's easier to build a good dynamic with a girl who's below your level than with a girl above yours. if you're dating somebody above your level, you'll be constantly working to impress her so she doesn't leave you, and she doesn't have to give you anything back cause she doesn't need you and has better options. if you're dating somebody below you, she'll be working to keep you happy so you stay with her.

 

Women only have their looks to be rated on so if anything you're selling yourself short. You can be an ugly or fat dude and still an 8/9+ because you're rich af, got game, and have other skills you bring to the table. A wife should be hotter than her husband, if she's not then what the fuck is he getting out of the commitment? The relationship dynamics are what you as the man instill and where you draw boundaries, you don't just take her as is and go "well at least she's nice". 

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Will echo what others have said here, apps can really suck and especially so if you are average looking. 

Summer is basically here - hit the gym, work on yourself, and go out to the bars and meet girls the old fashioned way. I have dealt with anxiety / fear of rejection for most of my life, especially when it comes to approaching women. A few things / thoughts that have helped me overcome that fear: 

- Most women go to the bar with hopes that they will receive attention / be hit on by guys. I think most men would be surprised by how open women are to entertaining a confident approach - so stop thinking, grow a pair, and do it.

- The worst that could happen is they are not interested; at which point you move along. Although your goal should not be rejection, each "not interested" you receive will bolster the realization that rejection from women (especially in a bar environment) is meaningless and a very common occurrence, and you will become more comfortable approaching girls more often. 

- Confidently approaching a girl and making your intentions known requires that you put your neck out there and your balls on the chopping block; this shows the girl you have confidence in yourself and that you are okay with whatever outcome - that you don't need her approval. Women can always pick up on this and it does wonders in attracting them.

- If a girl you are interested in shows any signs of reciprocated interest: a soft smile in your direction, makes eye contact then looks away, moves to a location in the bar near you, etc. - take it as an invitation to approach and do so as soon as possible. If a girl shows deliberate interest and you wait an hour to approach her, she will think you're a pussy. 

All in all, overcoming fear of rejection / approach anxiety comes down to reps; and more importantly, being truly confident in + loving yourself and not needing the validation of some random woman to feel good about yourself. Read / listen to the book "Models". Covers all of this stuff and more and really makes you rethink your approach and thinking of women & relationships in general. 

 

I want to break this down into an attitude/mindset problem and a dating problem:

1. Mindset problem: you're falling into a basic problem of "if I do this it should lead to that". In today's word, everyone wants a roadmap to exactly where they want to go, but sometimes you just need to blaze your own path. Also, no one wants to do difficult stuff. Take getting in shape or losing weigh. Everyone will work out, but no one wants to experiment in the gym with what works for them, they just want to get a workout from the internet without a plan (thats the roadmap). Then, no one wants to do the hard stuff, eating right, so they try everything else around that before they stop eating 5,000 calories. This leads to dating.

2. Seems like you're falling into a trap of "if I do this it should lead to that", as in, woman should flock to me because I workout and work in finance. Seems like all the guys you mention probably have some good confidence or are flat out good looking. Or maybe your dating profile needs work, or how you message needs work. You need to figure out what works for you, and also what works for the girls  you are trying to date. I mean, seems what you're doing now isn't working, maybe focus on changing some things and see what that does. 

 

If you see people that are 5 ft. or others that are extremely ugly it means that their ancestors managed to reproduce, so no excuses.

You made a post about the same issue some time ago. I advised you to read Models by Manson. Did you read it?

 

get off app brother.

we want women with class and traditional values. not insta thots or OF traders 

Get out in public and meet people. dont even focus on dating, just strike up conversations with people you meet and you will be fine  

 

Get off the internet and get in a girl's face. I just got back from traveling across the country and stopped all over the place. All I saw were men the internet said couldn't get girls. Short dudes, fat dudes, ugly dudes, average dudes, etc. all had girls on their arms. They weren't IG models, but they were getting their dick wet. Yes, there are plenty of delusional women out there that all end up on Fresh & Fit, but here is the thing those girls are still the large minority. Don't listen to these hoes on the internet talking about 6ft. this and 6 figures that. Most of these hoes can't tell the difference between 5'10" and 6ft. - especially when they're drunk. A lot of these hoes talking all this shit are supporting a man somewhere just cause he makes her laugh, has a good time with him, and she's "in love."

Of course women are going to be extra picky on the internet. Apps like Tinder are like a catalog for dick. If they have a choice - on paper - for the 6ft. dick or the 5'8" dick then of course they're gonna pick the 6ft. dick. But it gets a bit harder when you build chemistry or build a little clout for yourself. Women will almost always do the opposite of all of the stuff they're saying. That means she says she only dates a 6ft. man with 6 figures and a 6 pack, but somewhere there's some little fat broke dude that hit that.

Also, don't go where all golddigging hoes hang out who are clearly on a mission for a 1% man. Lowkey places like bookstores, thrift shops, libraries, local coffee shops, etc. have lowkey bad bitches that often get overlooked - find them.

Additionally, the bar is really really really low for a man these days. I saw so many men where it was obvious why so many men say they can't get pussy. Unkempt, dirty nails, awkward, no skincare routine, scrawny, disgustingly obese, etc. A lot of men look like they've given up on life all across the country too. Buy a nail clipper and you're already doing better than a lot of these guys.

Don't get me wrong, it's not 1999 anymore, but it's not as bleak as the internet makes it look. The internet bombards you with the extreme examples of everything, but average guys are still having sex.

 

- Dating is generally difficult for men, not just for you. My friends and I were all rejected hundreds of times until we met our partners.
- One of your other posts mentions you are in San Francisco; this place isn't easy on guys. Very few decent women around, very male-dominated. Looking back at my own dating history, the bay area was the only environment where I faced challenges.
- You also mentioned in your other posts that you were on a student-visa before, so I am guessing you are international? The sad truth is that Western women have often internalized certain behavior that is a disadvantage to international students, guest workers and immigrants. I hate to mention this but it is one aspect that comes up often in our group as well. We have a diverse group of friends and some guys are from another country. They often say the same thing.
Being from another country isn't the problem in itself, there are plenty of girls who will like you and date you. Just steer clear of the ones who have a problem with who you are.
(Just to be very clear here: It doesn't matter whether you are from China, India, Bangladesh, or any other country. But please note that some potential partners may make a different choice based on this. It isn't personal either, just a choice. Men can be like this also, look how many guys would never date a certain look a girl could have)

Everyone says that dating apps don't work for men or you have to be in some form of "top tier level" to get hits. The majority of my friends met their girlfriends (and now wives) on dating apps. It is a numbers game after all. How are you meeting girls IRL if she lives across town or in a suburb you have never been to?
It is ok not to like or use dating apps. But then you are limiting yourself to one gym, one club, one bar, one park and one office at a time.

 

As others have correctly pointed out, this is 100% a confidence issue.

Your rich friends in high school had girlfriends not because they were rich, but because they exuded confidence.

Obviously, being rich can help you be more confident, but it is absolutely not a prerequisite.

In a big city like New York or LA you see plenty of broke students or underemployed starving artists / creative-types that have no problem getting dates. One of my friends from college pissed away the expensive Ivy League education his dad paid for by pursuing acting after college. He got some small roles in a few major TV series and even some feature films here and there, but never got his "big break" and struggled for his entire acting career (he has since quit acting and is now working a "real job") - but I remember he had absolutely zero problems getting dates (very attractive girls too) which I saw first-hand when I visited him in LA.

26 years old means you are Gen Z? Or right on the cusp between millennial and Gen Z?

Either way, my advice would be the same: Go for non-American or foreign-born women.

Modern American women of your generation have been coddled since birth in a way that regrettably has given them a very distorted view of the world that has resulted in ridiculous standards and a huge sense of entitlement.

I'm married now and have been out of the dating game for a while (ignore the title in my profile - I'm old...), but when I was single I experienced a variety of women both American and foreign-born, and I almost always had better experiences with foreign-born women.

TL;DR - Go outside (no apps), meet some foreign-born women, and get your confidence up.

 

I noticed you said "I cant get dates" not "I cant get any matches" on the apps. That right there says it's not just your appearance or that you arent rich. If its your appearance you would be getting so few matches or close to none at all, and how would girls know you are rich just by the app? You not being able to land any dates from your matches shows it is a personality issue. You need to be able to be to be interesting enough to make some small talk, get her number, and set a date. Girls dont want to go back and forth on the app all day, they want to meet. Apps can be disadvantageous, but with nice pictures, good prompts, and some decent small talk, you should be able to land dates from apps. Like one poster said, it is dumb to swear off apps because it would limit yourself in terms of your potential pool of women you can meet, it is a numbers game after all.

Now with that being said, are apps the best way to meet people if you arent great looking? No. Something like 80% of women are fighting for the top 20% of men and it is the reverse for men, 80% are fighting for bottom 20% of women (numbers are exact but in the ballpark). They shouldn't be relied on as the only source, but they should be looked at as a complimentary piece, another tool to add to the tool kit. So, what should be the main tool? Get out there and meet people in real life. Don't be afraid of rejection, look at it from 2 angles, 1. Dating is a numbers game and 2. More reps you get, the better you become. All the previous comments have touched on the ways to do it once you are out there.

At the end of the day, there isnt a silver bullet, but many factors. I would argue 1. Fame, 2. Looks, and 3. Money in that order are the big 3 that make it easiest to get women, but there are more than that. Dressing well, being in shape, being well groomed, being interesting, humor, intelligence, and confidence all play a role as well and these are things you can all directly control. You started well with getting into shape, but continue that with focusing on the above and you will be satisfied with your dating life.

 

If looks are not your forte, then don't go pick up girls at bars. tbh, the best way is to find friends of friends and ask them on dates. also, if you are funny then youre fs gonna find someone some day.

 

I'd say that your initial approach is totally off. Start off by having a better mentality on the situation. Your selling point could be along the lines that you're an average-looking dude who is in great shape and has a great job. 

Not to be a total hardo but you just listed a thesis of excuses of why you can't/aren't getting girls. I would focus on bettering yourself physically and mentally. There is no science to the dating game but starting off with a "woe is me" complex is a recipe for disaster. Work out so that you can be more confident with yourself, not to get girls. Join a fitness class, go to a bar to meet new people, not to "find a hookup." Go in any situation with absolutely no expectations. Everything else will come in due time. 

Being confident, approachable, and friendly can take you very far in life. If you can consistently practice these virtues your personal and professional aspirations are endless. 

 

My brother in Christ, women aren't necessarily looking for a jacked guy. Nowadays, they could care less about how their partner looks. They care about one thing and one thing only, MONEY. Get your money up, funny up, and stop caring so much about physical appearance and start caring about stacking that bread brotha. I also agree with other commenters that Tinder is fucking retarded.

Side note: who says they have "a great personality and a lot of friends" about themselves lol.

 

During senior weekend me and 2 good friends went on a week bender. We’d been going out, often with the wrong company that would make us hesitant from hitting on girls. The three of us had the common objective of pulling a girl every night. We spent the few months before just working out a lot and generally trying to get better. You would not believe the progress we made each night going out. It’s stuck with me a year or two later now. The mental block for approaching women no longer exists outside of specific situations, and I’ve managed to make a solid roster of girls in 3 cities. Not sure if it’s the right thing to do, but it worked. I’m in decent shape and dress well, and really invest in getting to a point where I’m personally happily with my progress in life, though. 
 

Money, fitness, clothes all matter but only as far as they make you more comfortable in your own skin and confident. My 6 foot 3 jacked Swiss roommate was a total pussy and never pulled 

 
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Some good comments and I'll add, dating apps are basically making you compete for women who are 4s with hundreds of other men like the user above said. And for being a man being good looking does not really help all that much but only on apps not in the real world. The guys saying women don't get if you are jacked in real life are 99% getting cheated on or headed down that road as they continue to let themselves go. Also most girls who you'll actually want to date are either not on dating apps or the environment turns them to gold diggers even though they aren't that, that word has been demonized but i am not using it in a misogynistic way.

You have no idea, none, until a girl shows you just how many rich simps are on dating apps, why would they go for you when there's a 24 year old trust fund kid who has a G Wagon and lives in soho who pays girls to go on dates with him, yes guys like that are on hinge and tinder and they are in extremely excess supply. 

The below is a very overlooked practice when it comes to pulling chicks and its basically gotten me laid many times.

If you can't do the lone wolf thing, my advice for you would be to find friends who want to pull chicks and have a similar type of game with you, going out with guys who have different game and approaches from you is recipe for disaster. For example I hate going out with guys that are overly thirsty and want to fuck literally anything band throw tantrums when they don't get laid on a night out, I prefer very subtle game, the overly thirsty thing throws my game off and usually ends up very awkward either for me or the guy(s) i'm with, because if my way is working then they are aggressively shot down and humiliated and if their way is working i am left awkwardly out of the pace of the conversation, this happened all the time until i started going out with guys that are similar to me.

What I mean is for me and my friends when we go out on a crawl to pull chicks we make sure having fun is our #1 priority (sounds gay i know) and we are 100% okay with not pulling or getting curved so long as we had fun which makes me relax and the atmosphere not tense so i can talk to girls with more confidence.

When guys join us who's fun is contingent on getting laid then the energy is off and i've had a few instances where the guys start trying to flirt with one of the girls we've already pulled because thats all they care about, getting laid. Its gotten to the point that once a guy gives off that energy i always decline going on a crawl and my group of friends have inside jokes about guys like that. 

Not saying they are bad because if thats you then you need to get friends like that, if it isn't you then find friends with a similar outlook on pulling chicks as you

 

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