Considering transfer -- looking for thoughts

12y

If you can transfer directly into the business school UVA would be very sweet. It's a two-year program anyway, so you wouldn't have missed anything, and it's got pretty good recruiting.

Gorilla

12y

That's a really good point, I hadn't thought about that. I may as well do that! Basically, I'm looking for a new environment, especially one that actually has football.

"When I was young I thought that money was the most important thing in life; now that I am old I know that it is." - Oscar Wilde "Seriously, psychology is for those with two x chromosomes." - RagnarDanneskjold

The Pro

12y

UncleMilty:
That's a really good point, I hadn't thought about that. I may as well do that! Basically, I'm looking for a new environment, especially one that actually has football.

Then UVa is not a school for you.

Array

Neighbor

King Kong

12y

UncleMilty:
That's a really good point, I hadn't thought about that. I may as well do that! Basically, I'm looking for a new environment, especially one that actually has football.

UVa has an athletic program?

I didn't say it was your fault, I said I was blaming you.

12y

Best Response

ADMISSION
An applicant for transfer admission must be in good academic and social standing at his/her previous college, or at any college previously attended, and must be eligible to return there. A student must apply directly to the Commerce School as a transfer applicant if applying to enter UVA as a third-year student. If a student is applying to enter UVA as a second-year student, he/she would apply to the College of Arts and Sciences, NOTCommerce. These students would then have the opportunity to apply as internal transfers to the Commerce School for their third year. Internal transfer applications to Commerce are submitted in January. A student must have completed two full years of general; liberal arts work at an accredited college or university. A minimum of 54 semester hours is required for admission. It is strongly recommended, however, that students enter with at least 60 semester hours so that they will be on track for graduation without having to take an overload of courses. Official transcripts from secondary school and all collegiate institutions attended must be submitted along with the results of the SAT I of the College Board or the American College Test (ACT)or TOEFL scores. SAT or ACT or Toefl for international students is REQUIRED for all applicants. Strong preference is given to students who have received or will be receiving their Associates degree from a Virginia Community College prior to the fall term to which they are applying. Candidates for transfer admission should have completed course work in the following areas:

School of Commerce Requirements Recommended VCCS Courses

Accounting - 6 semester hours. ACC 211/212

Business - An introduction to business course is required, the equivalent of U.Va.'s COMM 180.

Economics - 6 semester hours. ECO 201/202

English Composition - 3 semester hours. ENG 111

Mathematics - 6 semester hours. Calculus or probability and statistics. MTH 173, 271 or 181 and MTH 240. If the community college does not offer these courses, consult the Office of Admission for advice on an alternative.

Humanities - 3 semester hours (prior to enrollment). Three additional hours of humanities and 3 hours of social, natural/physical sciences are required. These may be taken before or after entering the McIntire School. ENG 112, 241/242, 243/244, 251/252; ART 101/102; PHI 101/102 are recommended. Other courses in the Humanities, English, Art, Music, and Speech and Drama may also be accepted. SPD 100 or SPD 110 is strongly recommended

Foreign Language - 0-14 semester hours. All students must demonstrate proficiency in a foreign language equivalent to the intermediate level of college instruction. This proficiency can be demonstrated by college course work or by an SAT II Subject Test score (refer to the admission catalog). Completion of level 202 in a foreign language satisfies this requirement.

General Electives: Your elective courses plus the above requirements will need to total 54 semester hours (60 semester hours is recommended). Suggested electives: PSY 201/202; SOC 201/202; PLS 211/212; BIO 101/102; CHM 101/102; PHY 201/202.

Particular attention will be paid to performance in Accounting, Economics, and Mathematics. In certain cases attendance at the University's Summer Session may be required. Students are strongly encouraged to complete a public speaking course and computer-programming course.

TRANSFER OF CREDIT Credit toward a degree will be allowed for approved work completed in a regionally accredited college or university or in other schools of this University upon presentation of a satisfactory transcript of record. Most credits received for an Associate of Arts or Science degree are transferable. Elective courses in the liberal arts disciplines are transferable if acceptable to the College of Arts and Sciences of the University.

In general, credit will not be granted for:

work completed with a grade lower than C. more than one credit of physical or health education courses. business courses beyond the elementary courses in accounting and economics (see Transfer Requirements) remedial courses APPLICATION PROCEDURES Transfer students to the School of Commerce are accepted only for August admission. The deadline for receipt of completed applications for fall semester is March 1.

Do you have this? Tell us a little bit more about your background; what kind of courses have you taken/GPA so we can tell you which of those schools is realistic.

SECfinance

Senior Neanderthal

12y

BU, UConn, Wisconsin, Maryland, GMU don't make too much sense. What schools at Cornell, NYU, and UMich? Chapel Hill will be tough as a junior transfer if you want to go to Kenan-Flagler, you have to complete a semester at UNC and then apply to the b-school so it may be hard to graduate on time. Look at Northwestern & Duke as well (I'm assuming you have the grades).

MM IB -> Corporate Development -> Strategic Finance

Gorilla

12y

I'm at the 3.65 GPA level overall, 3.75 in my major (econ). Decent SATs 1440/2230. Coming from a school that doesn't have undergrad business — I'd be happy to do undergrad business or continue as econ. I was thinking Cornell CAS, Chapel Hill not necessarily as business. UVA for commerce is a serious consideration, assuming that they'll be flexible with my lack of ability to take business courses. NYU would be the regular college (not Stern, unfortunately). UMich would be LSA (the regular college). Basically, a bigger school gives more options — and a school with a B-school would let me take business classes (or add a second major OR switch to a business degree).

Hooked on LEAPS

12y

UncleMilty:
I'm at the 3.65 GPA level overall, 3.75 in my major (econ). Decent SATs 1440/2230. Coming from a school that doesn't have undergrad business — I'd be happy to do undergrad business or continue as econ. I was thinking Cornell CAS, Chapel Hill not necessarily as business. UVA for commerce is a serious consideration, assuming that they'll be flexible with my lack of ability to take business courses. NYU would be the regular college (not Stern, unfortunately). UMich would be LSA (the regular college). Basically, a bigger school gives more options — and a school with a B-school would let me take business classes (or add a second major OR switch to a business degree).

1440/2230? I thought the SAT's were 2400 and I also thought most targets still look at SAT scores for transfers, otherwise I wouldn't be where I am now.

Competition is a sin. -John D. Rockefeller

mongoose

12y

Funny. I am trying to transfer into semi-target LACs. OP, do you have any advice for me?

Gorilla

12y

JamesHetfield:
Funny. I am trying to transfer into semi-target LACs. OP, do you have any advice for me?

Oy vey, dawg.

Social scene is pretty dull (even at, say, Williams and Amherst) and repetitive. Many LACs, for example, don't have much in the way of off-campus stuff to do, whether it be bars, dining, museums, or, hell, sporting events.
Lots of LACs have absolutely awful sports — lots don't even have football!
Many are incredibly (read: ridiculously) PC, so if you're a GOP'er, don't bother, except, maybe, with places like Colgate and Trinity.
Lots of people look down on business/finance/economics. Heck, you may have to fight for your right...to be successful, even with the career services office.

If you wanna go to an LAC, the big advantages are clear: collegial interactions with professors, and tiny classes, namely. To get in, I would suggest you play up your interest in social justice and/or social responsibility (such as "corporate social responsibility"). They care a ton about your essays, in my experience — they care a lot about fit.

MrDiCaprio

Senior Baboon

12y

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"Whenever you feel like criticizing any one, just remember that all the people in this world haven't had the advantages that you've had." -F. Scott Fitzgerald

Gorilla

12y

MrDiCaprio:
The fraternity scene (if available) will get old real fast after three times a week for a semester or two and the same few houses, not to mention you and your friends will all be eskimo brothers with the same girls on your hall.

This is very true.
The girls in the NE often get chubby in the winter...at least at LACs. Not sure if that happens at Penn and Columbia.

MrDiCaprio:
Academically I love them, the professors are top notch and class sizes are incredible. Despite this, be careful before making the switch.

Very true. Balance academics and social life. BALANCE.

About the SATs, sorry, should've made that clearer. I'm not sure whether some schools consider M+V or the M+V+W score, so I listed both.

mongoose

12y

How is recruiting in these NE LACs from what you guys have seen?

As for me, I go to a complete non-target, so transferring to NE LAC's in my only option. I can't afford to go to any other school since LACs are the only ones which give full need based financial aid, which I will get in a need-blind LAC considering my family's financial resources.

I am not much of a social activist (otherwise I would not be on WSO), so how do you guys suggest I best position myself to get into one.

FYI: I am trying to transfer for my junior year. Econ/4.0 GPA so far.

mongoose

12y

Attention to details?

That is 1440/1600 Math+Verbal and 2230/2400.

The Pro

12y

LOL! They have a good athletic program but I've never heard anyway say that UVa is a target of theirs because they "actually [have] football"! Cute.

Array

Gorilla

12y

Let's put it this way: they've got UG business, solid econ, and happen to have football games that I could tailgate. Doesn't matter if they're s**t.

The Pro

12y

If you drink Zima then tailgating is great at UVa!

Array

Neighbor

King Kong

12y

Look..the only schools worth transferring to are:

-- UMich --NYU (stern only) --Cornell --UNC (Chapel Hill) --UVA

I didn't say it was your fault, I said I was blaming you.

12y

BU and Vanderbilt also might be worth it, depending on where OP is transferring from.

Gorilla

12y

Any idea if NYU econ is any good (undergrad)?

12y

It's ok because of location but you'll be outcompeted by stern kids

Bernankey

King Kong

12y

If you're not going into the business school in the schools you listed (Im referring to Michigan and NYU), then you're only shot at FO recruiting would be through Cornell with an engineering major.

Keep in mind that the best rankings to use when deciding for a business school is to look at world news rankings...not businessweek. While UVA might have a good b-school, i.e. good placement for accounting and bank tellers, its not comparable to NYU Stern or Penn Wharton.

12y

@Bernankey your comments on UVA are absolutely false. It is certainly comparable to Stern and has a lot of BB placement. Quite a few hire on campus, like JPM (or at the very least used to). Of course Wharton is on a higher tier but that's Wharton we're talking about.

Bernankey

King Kong

12y

euroazn:
@Bernankey your comments on UVA are absolutely false. It is certainly comparable to Stern and has a lot of BB placement. Quite a few hire on campus, like JPM (or at the very least used to). Of course Wharton is on a higher tier but that's Wharton we're talking about.

When I meet a UVA grad at work, I'll recant my statement. However, I have yet to meet one. For finance jobs, wharton and stern are on the same level (both are top two in finance). Wharton has better placement for consulting positions though, which makes the school's recruiting significantly better. I'm sure UVA has decent recruiting, but if you want the most bang for your buck then you'd be better of going to Cornell.

12y

I have 3 friends from UVA who are JPM analysts.

Gorilla

12y

So, even Cornell undergrad econ isn't a good place to start for BB recruiting?

Sexy_Like_Enrique

12y

UncleMilty:
So, even Cornell undergrad econ isn't a good place to start for BB recruiting?

Cornell Econ student here. Cornell gets strong recruiting from banking. However, keep in mind that Cornell is a large school and has a ton of IB gunners, so landing first round interviews at OCR is pretty competitive. It would be an advantage if you go to a smaller, top-ranked program for OCR, such as Duke, Dartmouth, Amherst, Williams, or Brown. These schools get top notch OCR, yet may have less competition for banking/ consulting jobs due to smaller student body. (increased shot at landing BB interviews)

That said, Cornell OCR for consulting employers is god-awful. Cornell is almost a non-target for top consulting firms. To give you an idea of how bad things are, MBB, Booz, IBM, Capgemini, NERA, Parthenon, Monitor, and even Accenture didn't even recruit at Cornell this year.

Btw, I would take UVA business or NYU Stern over Cornell for OCR. NYU Stern's placement into BB is superior to Cornell overall.

Monkey

12y

Just FYI, firms interviewing at UVA for SA positions:

JPM MS Barclays UBS Perella Rothschild GS CS BAML Citi Evercore Moelis Jefferies Lazard Greenhill McColl STRH Blackstone (AM, Restructuring, M&A) HLHZ (Corp. Finance, Restructuring, FAS) WF

Gorilla

12y

Looks like UVa is in the running for transfer apps for me. Plus, they have a VV tie. So, yeah.

The Pro

12y

Satan and Hitler also recruit at UVa.

Array

Monkey

12y

Stalin and Hades have OCR at VPI, I hear.

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The Pro

12y

You bastard....

Array

Monkey

12y

Again, just hearsay but my source also says it's BO recruiting.

Gorilla

12y

Robin Banks:
Again, just hearsay but my source also says it's BO recruiting.

Oy vey.

Monkey

12y

UncleMilty:
Robin Banks:
Again, just hearsay but my source also says it's BO recruiting.

Oy vey.

Sorry, should have been more clear. I'm referring to Stalin and Hades' OCR at VPI. All the firms I listed for UVA are FO.

shorttheworld

Almost Human

12y

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12y

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