Do you support the idea of "Financial Abortions"?
Western society has decided that women have a right to have children by any means necessary and that decision is going to be subsidized by somebody else besides the mother.
It's always spoken/framed as 'the rights of the child', but that's like queen reagent ruling on behalf of her son. The money is used by the woman with 0 accountability with full entitlement.
Women aren't paying for their 'mistake' because any woman who keeps her 'oops' baby doesn't see it as a curse or burden or mistake. The man is paying for the mistake. The woman wants this child, wants to spend all of her time with it and feed it and change it's diapers and have a little sticky mess to fawn over, so shouldn't she have to pay for it if the man has no interest in being involved?
This is a clear example of having your cake and eating it too. You'd think that libertarians would be screaming 24/7 about this obvious obstruction of personal freedom.
Are you referring to the ability of a man to claim that a certain baby is not his child? I thought that was a “financial abortion” a man could do? I’m not sure if a court in this country can force a man to pay child support for a child he doesn’t think / agrees is his? I’m open to being corrected if I’m wrong on this…
The idea of a Financial Abortion is essentially that the man recognizes that the fetus shares his DNA, but within the time time span in which the female would be allowed to go through with an actual abortion, the male is allowed to eschew all financial responsibility and give up all parental rights.
Ok thanks for letting me know :)
Yet another incel. Where do they come from?
You seem like the type of dude who thinks Dave Chappelle is a white supremacist.
Yet another cuck. Where do they come from?
Reddit.
How about you use protection and don’t sleep with losers?
This isn't about me retard
Then why do you care?
You know, you really should just post all this shit in r/conservative. Do you have even a tangential connection to the financial services industry?
This is the off-topic board, if I post something that you don't like you can just ignore it instead of being a little bitch and complaining. Finance is not a monolith, and this isn't an exclusively conservative opinion.
All I’m saying is you have been feverishly posting about a bunch of bizarre red pill topics here for a while now and seem like you’re looking for an echo chamber that isn’t necessarily the financial services community. Then again there seems to have been a real shift in demographics here lately, so I guess I don’t know what it is people enjoy talking about here lately.
You know, they make condoms for a reason. Also, you have a terrible take. I can't imagine the POS that would bail on their kid entirely.
Financial Abortion is less of a moral issue than real abortion.
Right. Because all you have to do is wear a condom or get a vasectomy or be abstinent. Easy!
If all of those are too much of a burden for you, then perhaps your motivations in bringing this up are a little less disinterested than you care to admit. Pretty sure you'll find a community that agrees with you and will spew your opinions right back on Stormfront or any number of alt-right communities (which I guess are mainstream right wing, at this point).
Pretty sure most single mothers would disagree with many of your assumptions.
Damn, I remember advocating for this in my high school AP Gov class and getting absolutely shit on for it, but I didn't know it was an actual concept.
I will say, this is (in my opinion) a somewhat reasonable idea with very solid logical foundation, but it really attracts a very guttural negative response from 99% of people. Most people won't even really listen to it or even somewhat entertain the idea. Like look at the rest of the posts in here and how they react. From a moral point of view (assuming we're operating in a model where women don't have to have the father's consent to get an abortion), there's really very little argument that financial abortions shouldn't be allowed. Now, from a functional point of view, i.e. "for the good of the child" and all that, it's definitely not in society's interest. When a woman exercises her right, it's a moot point, as there's no mouth to feed. Were the father to exercise his right to a financial abortion, should the woman still go through with the birth, society would end up footing the bill in many many cases. This is also part of why alimony and child court is so stacked again men, we all know it's not really "right", but we also collectively ended up in a position where it's in broader society's interest to fuck over a small number of men.
What? From a moral point of view, abortions are murder if you’re pro life. You obviously are pro choice, but I don’t think you should start your argument with a “From a moral point of view” introduction. I don’t believe your morals are very well founded as a pro lifer.
Also, to say “there’s really little argument that financial abortions shouldn’t be allowed” is also shitting on pro lifers and this is your opinion, not a moral truth. Nearly every pro life conservative would argue with you on this, so for you to say there is “little argument,” is not only naive, but severely incorrect.
What would you have him say? He can only speak to his point of view, and that's his morality. He also already conditioned his argument to presume women have a right to their own bodily autonomy. He couldn't have been more respectful of theofascist sympathies.
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No, this is a retarded idea. A primary problem with liberalism/feminism (and abortion is just one example) is that it promotes extreme social atomization and individualism expressed as pure and total selfishness. Everyone's a rootless, soulless black hole of a person jockeying for twitter likes. Responding to that by saying "but men should be able to be degenerates who can shirk all responsibility tooooo! No faaiiiiir!" is ridiculous.
Focus on eradiacting feminism, not breaking men the way feminism broke women. Inshallah
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