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From the UK, I'd actually say the consequences for British people involved with Epstein have actually been a lot more reputationally damaging than American counterparts (Gates, Clinton, Trump, Musk, Thiel, Bannon etc are all mentioned extensively yet nothing will likely even happen to them), whereas every journalist here is reporting on Prince Andrew and Peter Mandelson. New revelations come out virtually every month now like a new series on Netflix and it's becoming clear as daylight that both Andrew and Mandelson were more than just 'friends' with Epstein, stayed in his Island / NYC apartment numerous times, them or their spouses receiving money from Epstein, Mandelson leaking sensitive market information on the Euro bailout and government asset sales (on his personal email whilst he was de facto Deputy PM) all AFTER Epstein's first conviction and AFTER the dates Andrew and Mandelson have publicly said they cut all ties with Epstein. Part of the coverage is sensation, in part it confirms what a lot of people think about elites being in on it together and basically committing various horrific crimes and getting away with it, which is sort of true in this case. Lastly, I would say that Trump (Early to say) could be a winner from this, given most of the high-profile individuals in the files haven't been him - Clinton, Gates, Mandelson and Andrew are whom the media are focusing on right now - offers a great distraction from the White House perspective too.

 

Actually insane that Mandelson was urging Epstein to get Dimon to threaten the UK chancellor over bankers’ bonus taxes. It was stupid legislation but that’s a notch below treason 

 

Because America is run by an evolved version of Epstein.  While Jeff was only able to appeal to the ultra rich and wealthy, Donald has conned everyone from the billionaires who gave his hooker wife a free 100 million dollar documentary to the 30k a year folks buying his bibles, sneakers, crypto coins, meme stocks etc.

 

I think this is partly due to the political system. In the UK a prime minister can be forced out by a simple majority vote whereas in the US it's a long drawn out process to remove a president. Also due to Trump's total lack of shame.

 
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Not sure what is more insane really: the fact that kids were not only raped but murdered and no one has been arrested, the fact that Trump’s name appears more in the Epstein files than Jesus’ name appears in the Bible, the fact that the government is very clearly dragging its feet on the release and illegally redacting email senders and recipients by claiming they are victims when they clearly aren’t, the fact that Elon begged to get an invite to the island and tried so hard to be buddies with Epstein but was such a loser no one wanted him around, the fact that multiple active Harvard professors were named, or all of the random awful things that Epstein and Thiel were also involved in like mass ticket scalping and pushing microtransactions in video games. 

But as far as why there wasn’t a thread, you shouldn’t be shocked. The same handful of people who make all of the MAGA threads on WSO always get real quiet when reality doesn’t match their narrative. It’s honestly pretty wild that after years of conspiracy theorists shouting that our leaders have been influenced by a pedophile cabal, when clear evidence of the cabal comes out they are nowhere to be found. Where is QAnon now? When’s the next Jim Caviezel movie about taking down sex traffickers? Ridiculous Pizzagate and Wayfair conspiracies were somehow believable but hard evidence isn’t, apparently. 

Just wait though. This week we’re going to see MAGA get more angry about Green Day and Bad Bunny performing at the Super Bowl than they did about their president being a pedophile. 

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And three weeks after these files are released, all our WSO conservatives will be saying that actually Trump was never videotaped penetrating a small child, so obviously he's fully innocent, that actually the Epstein files only mentioned Democrats, and that the whole thing was the fault of Obama's AG for letting him plea out in the first place.  And if you mention that it was actually Bush's AG who Trump later hired (what a coincidence!) then they'll mention how actually Obama wasn't a citizen and wore a tan suit.

 

It says the US is more like Brasil or Russia than it was ever like France, outside of perhaps a short period of time.  Obvious to anyone who had ever known.

 

Maple Sirup Slurper

I mostly lean conservative, but it's pretty clear from the files and from other places that trump is a "PDF file". 

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Maple Sirup Slurper

We need someone new in the GOP who's going to put America and western christian civilization first. Possibly Nick Fuentes.

Good lord, no

...but is it REPE?
 

Fuentes seems to be an Epstein supporter. He calls him "Based". I suppose an elite cabal of pedophiles raping minors from White Christian regions formerly controlled by the then collapsed Soviet Union did not cross a line for him. Makes one think his entire "White Christian" persona is just a lie and the only thing he cares about are cool edits with slowed down music. Sounds pretty fitting for an immature college dropout.

 

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Damn where are all of the WSO Pedo Protectors? I see someone is already out here throwing anonymous monkey shit in defense of Epstein. 

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What I care most about is 1) Deportations and denaturalizations, and 2) election integrity (voter ID, in-person, paper only voting, etc).

Trump is wetting the bed on these two things, which leaves me not giving a shit if he gets impeached. The GOP is only good at being an opposition party, and they stand with their dick in their hands when they get power. It's radicalizing. I'm tempted to vote D these mid-terms just to clean house and make it an open field next time.

I also am no fan of his about-face on releasing the Epstein stuff. But if he achieved #1 and #2 above, I would be more willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

That said, these Epstein files so far seem to be more of an indictment on foreign intelligence and the broader ruling class than anything else. Do you really think Biden would sit on damaging Trump info for 4 years, at the cost of the election? It's all of them, but the fact that we are getting some files under Trump and no files under Biden should tell you something.

 

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600,000 Americans paid 100$ to preorder a made in America Trump smartphone.  

The president of the United States stole 60 million dollars from his most passionate supporters and it didn't even make the news.  The corruption of this man is unfathomable.

 

Do dems really care about the victims or do they want to keep this in the news to inflict damage on Trump and the republican party.  Obviously whoever was involved at this island was and or is dirt bag.  Wealthy people have the extra resources to become dirt bags.  What more can you do to Trump?  He is already been impeached and is already a convicted felon.  There is no way congress would vote to remove him from office. 

 

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Do dems really care about the victims or do they want to keep this in the news to inflict damage on Trump and the republican party.  Obviously whoever was involved at this island was and or is dirt bag.  Wealthy people have the extra resources to become dirt bags.  What more can you do to Trump?  He is already been impeached and is already a convicted felon.  There is no way congress would vote to remove him from office. 

Sunlight is the best disinfectant, as the saying goes.

The fact that the Trump Administration is choosing to release the files in the manner most prejudicial to the actual victims is their business, not Democrats.  More the point, Donald Trump and the entire conservative establishment has spent over a decade campaigning on the idea that liberals are child abusers and sex predators, winning on that platform, and then using the resulting power to establish an American Waffen-SS which goes around murdering citizens (in addition to all the other corrupt, authoritarian nonsense Mr Trump stands for).  To lay quiet in the face of that is to in part validate the accusations.

Unlike Republicans, Democrats have shown some desire to hold their own accountable for being criminals or scumbags.  Continually pointing out that every person who voted for Mr Trump was supporting a man long known to be a sex predator is both ethically fair game and politically important.

The "what more can be done" is to ensure that in addition to being known as the least competent, most corrupt person to ever occupy the Oval Office, every history book written from now on also includes the fact that Mr Trump was credibly accused of being a child molestor, by himself, when he demanded that the names in the Epstein files be released.  We have posterity to think of as well.

 

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Do dems really care about the victims or do they want to keep this in the news to inflict damage on Trump and the republican party.  Obviously whoever was involved at this island was and or is dirt bag.  Wealthy people have the extra resources to become dirt bags.  What more can you do to Trump?  He is already been impeached and is already a convicted felon.  There is no way congress would vote to remove him from office. 

Sunlight is the best disinfectant, as the saying goes.

The fact that the Trump Administration is choosing to release the files in the manner most prejudicial to the actual victims is their business, not Democrats.  More the point, Donald Trump and the entire conservative establishment has spent over a decade campaigning on the idea that liberals are child abusers and sex predators, winning on that platform, and then using the resulting power to establish an American Waffen-SS which goes around murdering citizens (in addition to all the other corrupt, authoritarian nonsense Mr Trump stands for).  To lay quiet in the face of that is to in part validate the accusations.

Unlike Republicans, Democrats have shown some desire to hold their own accountable for being criminals or scumbags.  Continually pointing out that every person who voted for Mr Trump was supporting a man long known to be a sex predator is both ethically fair game and politically important.

The "what more can be done" is to ensure that in addition to being known as the least competent, most corrupt person to ever occupy the Oval Office, every history book written from now on also includes the fact that Mr Trump was credibly accused of being a child molestor, by himself, when he demanded that the names in the Epstein files be released.  We have posterity to think of as well.

Yes, I agree with your points but none of Trump's terrible behaviors and actions  have had any impact on on voter preferences.  Is pedophilia any worse than any of his other crimes?  He has been accused  of sexually assaulting lots of women but people here, even the "religious ones",  still voted for him.  

 

That's a very cynical view and definitely warranted concerning the world of politics. However, we all already know that Bill Clinton is mentioned in the files, as are other, more liberal leaning, Democratic individuals such as Bill Gates. From a purely psychopathic point of view it makes sense for the party to distance itself from such persons and to push for transparency since they have less to lose. Regardless of their "true intentions" however, we must all agree that people with bad intentions can occasionally do the right thing. The Democrats are definitely on the right side of history, as are a minority of Republican lawmakers and likely the overwhelming majority of the American public, regardless of party affiliation.

 

I am not claiming that liberals are not named or are saints.  Part of being a liberal is acknowledging that your "team" might have some bad people on side.  It is conservatives who rape children and then claim only liberals do it.

Bill Clinton should be held accountable, just as he should have been held accountable for lying under oath.

However, fundamentally the point remains that it is Republicans who have spent years making a big fucking deal about the Epstein files, and it is mostly Republicans who now seem to want to sweep it all under the rug.  That in and of itself demands that they be subjected to more intense scrutiny.

 

Dr. Rahma Dikhinmahas

Simple question just so I understand the comments: is the claim being made that Musk and Trump are pedophiles?  

Trump, absolutely. Not even sure how you could question it after reading the files unless you're trying to make a "Well he wasn't convicted so you can't call him that" argument. As someone said, he appears in the Epstein files more often than Jesus appears in the Bible. He appears in the Epstein files more often than the word "Harry" appears in Harry Potter. And only approximately half of the files have been released. 

Elon seems more like he really tried to be one but even the worst people on Earth didn't want him around. Remember, Epstein pleaded guilty and was convicted in 2008 for procuring a child for prostitution. Because of this, he served prison time and was registered as a sex offender. I think it is fair to say that if any of our friends or associates were registered as child sex offenders, we wouldn't still associate with them. However, throughout 2012 and 2013, Elon kept emailing Epstein—again, a registered child sex offender—basically pleading to come hang out on Epstein's island. Hilariously, it seems that Epstein didn't want Elon around, and told Ghislaine Maxwell to basically keep brushing him off. 

I know you're not going to do this because you're incapable of good faith arguments, but you should genuinely read through the recent file release. Really unforgivable shit, and it's hardly limited to these two people that it's just easy to make fun of you and others for. 

 

Appearing in the emails of someone who does XYZ thing doesn't also make you that thing.

I met Bill Cosby once, doesn't make me a rapist.

If there's evidence that Trump and Musk are actually pedos, and not just guys who emailed with a pedo who made it his business to email every powerful person alive, then that would be interesting.

 

I would argue that Mr Trump has made the claim, repeatedly, that the people named in the Epstein Files are pedophiles.  He's named.  Repeatedly.

I suppose this is another instance where you'll demand live video footage of Mr Trump sexually penetrating a minor before declaring him guilty, right?

 

So he's a guy who says shit that will later appear to be untrue or make him look like a hypocrite.  Sounds like the average politician to me.

Your 2nd paragraph is pretty odd, quite confident I've never asked for live video footage of anything, especially that.

 

Fascinating seeing the reactions here from those sucked into red vs. blue world.  As a dumb goy observer, I don't know which I find more interesting, the die hard maga patriots quietly lowering their "45" flags under the cover of darkness because their hero is likely a pdf, or the gentle kind hearted liberals over the moon about implied kid rape/torture/trafficking because it was more predominately perpetrated by their political opposition.

 

CharlesCheese

Fascinating seeing the reactions here from those sucked into red vs. blue world.  As a dumb goy observer, I don't know which I find more interesting, the die hard maga patriots quietly lowering their "45" flags under the cover of darkness because their hero is likely a pdf, or the gentle kind hearted liberals over the moon about implied kid rape/torture/trafficking because it was more predominately perpetrated by their political opposition.

Well yeah.. the PRESIDENT of the United States being a PDF is a big fucking deal man 

 

I personally find it both funny and demoralizing to see that the people who were so concerned about the safety of children are now breaking their backs to somehow make their fantastical view of Trump match with the reality that he potentially fucked trafficked children (or was aware of it happening and did not give a fuck, as his previous comments clearly indicates). I can only imagine what the Republicans would have claimed if people had found out that Obama was doing any of that. They're also trying to tolerate their cognitive dissonance by turning it into a bipartisan issue, focusing on individuals likes Gates and Clinton, while at the same time their King claims it's just a Democratic Hoax (which some of them believe; no questions asked).

For the average Democrat this was a revealing experience, showing them how politics truly works and how power operates. Most of them are crushed by the realization that the world we live in is much more evil than previously thought. No "gentle kind hearted liberal" is "over the moon" about any of this. Their world view has been crushed. Most of them are much more open to what they would previously have simply ignored as "conspiratorial nonsense".

So in conclusion I suppose the core difference was that Democrats traditionally simply rejected any such conspiratorial claims, whereas Republicans traditionally either rejected them or believed in them but only under the assumptions that it was "the other side" that was at fault.

Also, are you a dumb, goy-observer? Or a dumb-goy observer? Were you describing yourself or others?

 

The thing is though that 18 is just a legal cutoff because people below that age are not seen as persons capable of giving informed consent.

The entire problem here is that some old, rich men and women of the political elite were grooming, manipulating, and trafficking people of any age, but also people of an age below 18, with the intent to exploit them sexually.

There are also claims of murder, organ harvesting and medical experiments.

Please try to imagine that any of this had happened to a female relative of yours (or maybe even to yourself) and then try to claim that these victims don't deserve legal protection and that the perpetrators don't deserve severe punishments.

 

How are we getting to 18 as the number? As I said here, there are just as many naive, vulnerable 19-year-olds as there are 15-year-olds who know what they're doing.

I'm sure a majority of the Epstein cases were exploitative, but you can't make a blanket statement like that about all cases. For all we know, some rich guy could have had healthy, consensual sex with a teenager, but now that he's "in the files," his reputation is tarnished for no reason.

 

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