Fatherless America

Great article on the trend of men to walk out on there children. I am posting a Bloomberg opinion piece which talks about this also. Considering the fact that I think this is a huge driver with poverty and violence, it is something we should look at.

Parenting is a privilege, not a right.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/dec/25/fathers-disappear-from-…

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-12-25/do-unmarried-poor-have-bad-val…

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By just about every measure you can think of, personal responsibility in our society is collapsing. What is worse, these sorts of pieces are often accompanied by the "it takes a village to raise a child" bullshit socialist commentary.

 
AmphipathicBy just about every measure you can think of, personal responsibility in our society is collapsing. What is worse, these sorts of pieces are often accompanied by the "it takes a village to raise a child" bullshit socialist commentary.

It's just as bad at the top of the food chain. People don't take personal responsibility across the spectrum. Rich, poor, all across the board.

 
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AmphipathicBy just about every measure you can think of, personal responsibility in our society is collapsing. What is worse, these sorts of pieces are often accompanied by the "it takes a village to raise a child" bullshit socialist commentary.

It's just as bad at the top of the food chain. People don't take personal responsibility across the spectrum. Rich, poor, all across the board.

If you are referring to corporate welfare and bailouts for the supposed financial masters of the universe, then yes, I agree.

 
BTbankerThe data is skewed by the racial aspect. 72% of black children are raised by single parents.

I know, that should have been buried or falsified for political correctness sake. It is sad that this truth didn't make it through the Obama administrations censorship czar.

 
BTbankerThe data is skewed by the racial aspect. 72% of black children are raised by single parents.

I'd love to see the data on the 1%'s ability to RAISE their children properly, not just be around the house occasionally.

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BTbankerThe data is skewed by the racial aspect. 72% of black children are raised by single parents.

I'd love to see the data on the 1%'s ability to RAISE their children properly, not just be around the house occasionally.

I could care less about that data. It's really not important to this discussion or anything for that matter.
 
BTbankerEven more disconcerting is the fact that Washington Times is one of the most conservative media outlets today.

Lame Stream Media

 
TNA
BTbankerEven more disconcerting is the fact that Washington Times is one of the most conservative media outlets today.

Lame Stream Media

If I had the cash, I would buy up NewsCorp, CBS Corp, Sony Corp, Time Warner, Viacom, and NBCU to turn them into conservative corporate biased outlets.
 

The best answer is public funding for (1) free and easily accessible birth control and (2) planned parenthood. The cost would be miniscule in most every respect. But first we have to get over the conservative perception of randy sluts having sex on our dollar.

I think the longer answer though- is that both the liberal (above) and conservative solution (harkening back to older social moors about pre-marital sex) could work. But one is easy and the other is fantasy.

TNA- what are you advocating by "Parenting is a privilege, not a right." It sounds like euthanasia. But if its something less severe- what? Applying for a child-bearing permit from the government? I didn't think this would mesh with your political views.

 
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ReadLineThe best answer is public funding for (1) free and easily accessible birth control and (2) planned parenthood. The cost would be miniscule in most every respect. But first we have to get over the conservative perception of randy sluts having sex on our dollar.

I think the longer answer though- is that both the liberal (above) and conservative solution (harkening back to older social moors about pre-marital sex) could work. But one is easy and the other is fantasy.

TNA- what are you advocating by "Parenting is a privilege, not a right." It sounds like euthanasia. But if its something less severe- what? Applying for a child-bearing permit from the government? I didn't think this would mesh with your political views.

I'd never be so bold as to propose culling the herd. What I do think we should do is remove all child tax credits and put caps on welfare benefits at say one or two kids. I support free birth control to the point I would support people calling low income individuals and reminding them daily. I'd even pay them to be on birth control.

Anything to stop them from breeding.

 
ReadLineThe best answer is public funding for (1) free and easily accessible birth control and (2) planned parenthood. The cost would be miniscule in most every respect. But first we have to get over the conservative perception of randy sluts having sex on our dollar.

I think the longer answer though- is that both the liberal (above) and conservative solution (harkening back to older social moors about pre-marital sex) could work. But one is easy and the other is fantasy.

TNA- what are you advocating by "Parenting is a privilege, not a right." It sounds like euthanasia. But if its something less severe- what? Applying for a child-bearing permit from the government? I didn't think this would mesh with your political views.

A third solution: paying folks who shouldn't be having kids to get sterilized.

One such organization: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Prevention

 
ReadLineThe best answer is public funding for (1) free and easily accessible birth control and (2) planned parenthood. The cost would be miniscule in most every respect. But first we have to get over the conservative perception of randy sluts having sex on our dollar.

I think the longer answer though- is that both the liberal (above) and conservative solution (harkening back to older social moors about pre-marital sex) could work. But one is easy and the other is fantasy.

TNA- what are you advocating by "Parenting is a privilege, not a right." It sounds like euthanasia. But if its something less severe- what? Applying for a child-bearing permit from the government? I didn't think this would mesh with your political views.

The inflection toward rapidly expanding single parent households began around the same time that the pill was legalized for unmarried women. Although birth control has proliferated since that time, unintended (or perhaps just irresponsible) pregnancy has accompanied it. The relationship may even be causal as birth control may have relaxed our society's perception of the long-term consequences of sex, thereby resulting in much more out of wedlock sex and therefore many more single mothers (as birth control inevitably fails due to irresponsibility).

The "liberal" solution has been in effect for about 50 years. As a result, our culture has changed (for the worse) and you're unfortunately right that the conservative solution is probably fantasy at this point. Once a culture falls apart, the society's fall isn't too far behind.

 
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ReadLineThe best answer is public funding for (1) free and easily accessible birth control and (2) planned parenthood. The cost would be miniscule in most every respect. But first we have to get over the conservative perception of randy sluts having sex on our dollar.

I think the longer answer though- is that both the liberal (above) and conservative solution (harkening back to older social moors about pre-marital sex) could work. But one is easy and the other is fantasy.

TNA- what are you advocating by "Parenting is a privilege, not a right." It sounds like euthanasia. But if its something less severe- what? Applying for a child-bearing permit from the government? I didn't think this would mesh with your political views.

The inflection toward rapidly expanding single parent households began around the same time that the pill was legalized for unmarried women. Although birth control has proliferated since that time, unintended (or perhaps just irresponsible) pregnancy has accompanied it. The relationship may even be causal as birth control may have relaxed our society's perception of the long-term consequences of sex, thereby resulting in much more out of wedlock sex and therefore many more single mothers (as birth control inevitably fails due to irresponsibility).

The "liberal" solution has been in effect for about 50 years. As a result, our culture has changed (for the worse) and you're unfortunately right that the conservative solution is probably fantasy at this point. Once a culture falls apart, the society's fall isn't too far behind.

What is the "conservative solution"? Chastity belts?

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inkybinky
ReadLineThe best answer is public funding for (1) free and easily accessible birth control and (2) planned parenthood. The cost would be miniscule in most every respect. But first we have to get over the conservative perception of randy sluts having sex on our dollar.

I think the longer answer though- is that both the liberal (above) and conservative solution (harkening back to older social moors about pre-marital sex) could work. But one is easy and the other is fantasy.

TNA- what are you advocating by "Parenting is a privilege, not a right." It sounds like euthanasia. But if its something less severe- what? Applying for a child-bearing permit from the government? I didn't think this would mesh with your political views.

The inflection toward rapidly expanding single parent households began around the same time that the pill was legalized for unmarried women. Although birth control has proliferated since that time, unintended (or perhaps just irresponsible) pregnancy has accompanied it. The relationship may even be causal as birth control may have relaxed our society's perception of the long-term consequences of sex, thereby resulting in much more out of wedlock sex and therefore many more single mothers (as birth control inevitably fails due to irresponsibility).

The "liberal" solution has been in effect for about 50 years. As a result, our culture has changed (for the worse) and you're unfortunately right that the conservative solution is probably fantasy at this point. Once a culture falls apart, the society's fall isn't too far behind.

You may have a point, controversial as it may be. But now that contraceptives are available- they should be pushed. Lets look at this way. Overall, women are having less sex now than in the 1950s. However unmarried women today are having more sex than unmarried women in the 1950s. Quality birth control ranges in effectiveness around 99% with some forms like IUD coming to 99.9% effectiveness. Right now, of women that are "at risk for unwanted pregnancy" (having sex and are of fertile age) 89% use contraception. If we could get that to 99%- unwanted pregnancies would drop precipitously. What's more- factors like being black, not having a high school diploma, being a teenager- all of those lowers their likelihood to use contraception EVEN further. (source: http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_contr_use.html).

Oral contraceptives should be given out much like flu shots, condoms should be freely available like toilet paper in a public restroom (maybe a 60 second time lock to avoid abuse- though being freely available it would be difficult to profit from abuse anyway), 12 year old 6th graders know all about sex these days- at least by the time they're 15 we should be allowing them to get contraception discreetly without adverse pressure. Seeking free contraception (even before you're 18) should be looked at as responsible rather than disgraceful behavior.

I'm not sure such methods would solve the problem (some argue that accessible condoms will also lead to more sex- though I disagree)- but I bet it would cull it.

 
TNASee, I am all for zero personal responsibility. I want any excuse to run these peoples lives. Roll in there, put people on birth control, control what they eat, watch, do. Everything. Children have no responsibility and therefore need to be taken care of, so do these individuals. Take away their ability to enter into contracts or make loans and provide a government guardian for all of them.

When "adults" cannot take the most basic responsibility they become children and need to be treated as such.

This may sound a tad pessimistic, but I seriously think that's the only realistic way to curb this nonsense.

 

We don't punish people for having unwanted kids because it is "cruel". We also don't want to force people to be on birth control because they have "rights". So we can't stop it and have to pay for it also.

System is broke. People don't want to pay, but they don't have the balls to just let them rot.

 

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