**I thought this was an interesting article. When different folks are crammed together for long periods of time (on a island chain 2,000 miles from the continent), you start to identify each other less in broad brush terms. As a sociologist (anyone can be one), I hope to write a paper on a topic related to this.
Update: Do you believe living or growing up in a population with a high percentage of mixed race people make you see race differently? Does living in a society where the mainstream culture is different and yours change your perspectives?
My favorite quote:
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*An intriguing finding from Dr. Pauker’s lab is that kids in Hawaii are terrible at defining other people’s race compared with kids on the mainland. That’s not because they don’t see the features usually associated with race. It’s because, when shown photos, they complicate their answers. Whereas a kid on the mainland might simply say “Asian,” in Hawaii, kids tend to say something like, “Japanese, Chinese, Filipino and Norwegian.” Instead of labeling a face “white” and leaving it at that, they might offer “Scottish, Irish, German and Italian.” They are like fine wine connoisseurs while everyone else drinks cheap beer. From an early age, they see race as something complex and full of nuance, not something simple or black and white.
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**My second favorite quote:
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*As an explanation about why race relations are different in Hawaii, the “aloha spirit” is actually quite profound. It suggests that attitudes about other people stem, in part, from our understanding of the ecological limits of the world we inhabit. If you think that the resources of the world are limitless and that you don’t really need other people to survive — that they’re disposable because the bounty is endless — you may be inclined to treat people as things. But if you’re aware of how much you depend on others and how small and fragile the world is, you’re likely to have a very different approach to human relationships.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/28/opinion/sunday…
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Oh give me a fucking break the Natives on Hawaii hate white people with a passion.
Thanks for the response. To it I would ask, what is a “native” and what is a “white” person. I think the point of the article is that the answer is nuanced.
Is a native someone with 50% or 1% indigenous Hawaiian blood? They might be white themselves as being a mixed race person. Or is native someone who’s ancestors arrived 100 years ago by ship (like mine did) and played nice with other races for 3-4 generations, or perhaps you refer to the white person who came within the last year or is on vacation. But then again, so many people love Hawaii and keep coming back, so that has to dispel some of the negatively you’ve addressed.
I think the point of the article is that with a significant mixed race population, people view each other in more nuanced ways instead of broad brush.
It is an unique way to look at race.
Walk down the street in Honolulu and ask someone who considers themselves Samoan what they think of the local white population.
Can you blame em?
I mean when I lived there for a bit I saw it. I don't blame them, but I definitely don't feel bad for them.
Plenty of universities and such. There aren't really many jobs, but I guess we're in 2019 so learn2code.
What are we suppose to discuss? Your shitty quotation from a mediocre article?
Good point, I added some discussion questions. Feel free to provide your thoughts.
Do you believe living or growing up in a population with a high percentage of mixed race people make you see race differently? Does living in a society where the mainstream culture is different and yours change your perspectives?
All it means is that your prejudices evolve. Tribalism and prejudice are ingrained into our DNA. If we all become a singular shade of brown then other areas of tribalism or prejudice will become more apparent.
Separately, the obsession with race by mainland culture (particularly driven by the political Left) is despicable and truly evil. As a society, we are ready to move beyond race to some other form of prejudice, but academics, corporate HR, public schools, CNN/MSNBC, MTV, HBO, celebrities, and Democrat politicians refuse to let us--they push race endlessly. Of course culture will be race conscious when we're told from craddle to grave that race and identity are everything.
You don't see race when a shark in Maui confuses you for a seal and takes a big bite out of you and you bleed out and die... You just see red
Also WTF the white sharks are called great? That's racist af
They are very touchy about this subject. If you get near one, don't ask about it or it might bite you.
Cyprus is also an island with "different folks crammed together". Both populations look nearly identical on the surface yet they hate each other. Human societies are very complex, simplifying them in statistics is a nearly impossible task. Not letting your own political biases influence your research is even harder. As you said, anyone can be a sociologist.
Awesome perspective bringing up Cyprus. Then we can also think about the Balkans and a place like Iraq (but do they intermarry?). Cyprus sounds like a good example. Turkey and Greece conflict seems to weigh in heavily (but I don’t know).
Great point about Cyprus.
The Tutsi and the Hutu in Rwanda is another good example. Albeit, more extreme.
Smh the Tutsis wouldn't have been killed if they used FLEX SEAL on the hutus
Rwanda also comes to mind as well as Nazi Germany. Jews and Germans looked so similar in many circumstances that birth records had to be used to determine who was officially Jew and who officially German.
Do you believe living or growing up in a population with a high percentage of mixed race people make you see race differently? Does living in a society where the mainstream culture is different and yours change your perspectives?
Thanks, I want to write this paper one day. This feedback is gold.
I pay with bananas
Looking at my living habits I enjoy living in wealthy majority white areas.
The areas I like are usually safe, have a high median income, and have lots of hot blonde girls walking around.
Definitely my favorite
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What if everyone's mixed race? Will they be racist towards "true" white/black people? Race is just an American historical obsession hence your research would already be completely biased to begin with. I would assume behavior is not driven by the race(s) of your population but by actual physical difference (which is in its turn driven by biology) and more importantly driven by culture. And how would you start to quantify or categorize culture? Anything you do would lead to huge assumptions which would make it meaningless or leave relevant information out. I'm European and I can have a feeling from where people are from due to how they behave and how they dress. But it would be challenging to tell the physical difference between a Norwegian person and a German. Even more so between a Swede and a Norwegian. So how do these Hawaiian kids know not only the difference but the difference between hybrids of these countries!? Maybe ten seconds before they were questioned they saw an episode of Vikings so they assume every White person is Norwegian... And then what does it even mean to be Norwegian?
Since the succes of true science, humanity students have been trying to imitate it and apply it on human and cultural phenomenons. As a result you arrive at ridiculous conclusions such as efficient markets or what "Dr." Pauker says. How does Pauker know what the fuck the "aloha spirit" actually is? Maybe those kids were high. Maybe their parents never taught them the words black and white. Not to mention the fact that people being questioned influences their actually influences their behavior. Maybe these same kids talk about niggers and crackers when they're not questioned by Pauker. Which is the concept of reflexivity introduced by Soros.
Anyways, not trying to discourage you... just a very big caveat
This is subject matter that incites a passionate response. When I first read the article over the weekend, I felt it got pretty accurately my world view by tying together examples that I’ve never before read in an article (this coming from someone who was mesmerized by a 1986 book called “Land and Power in Hawaii”). As someone who grew up in Hawaii but left to work in finance in a major market, there is an inherit “Hawaii exceptionalism” I’ve always felt when relating to race relations. Different than the rest of the Mainland.
My paper I envision will borrow from concepts of the Velocity of Money (an economic and perhaps more measurable) theory of how capital inputs in a local economy (system) goes to benefit the populace. Job creation, specialization. My premise is the same could be for multiculturalism as inputs for _____ (whatever I can find is measurable). Just like Hawaii has a more vibrant economic than say Guam due to the Velocity of People coming to Hawaii (be it international airports, Univ of Hawaii, military migration, etc).
I’ll probably avoid the subject of race; however, our political environment will make most kinds of sociological theory, political in nature. As multiculturalism, immigration, intellectualism, rural vs urban world views are characteristic of the growing divide and culture wars.
So yes, caveats and exceptions galore (especially the ask a Samoan about whites, thoughts and stereotypes).
If sociology is the study of groups of people, each with their own life stories and nuances, it’s hard to get things accurately down. But we are in the profession of predicting the future with assumptions; our trends analysis, sensitivity tables, should make us more comfortable with predictive thought that is art.
I’ve based a lot of my creativity, judgement, and “vision” on this flexibility of thought, to my career.
That’s why although we could worship the hard sciences, much of our world (I assume finance) is subjective, observant, and based on life experiences.
Appreciate yours and others’ thoughts.
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"Asian fucks" "White fuck" "Black fuckers" "Latino fuck" "Indian muhfucker"
Like that's the typical subject person in the article?
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