Presidential Debate GDT
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My head is going to explode. Romney is too amp'd up. Obama is his usual smug self. I might puke before the night is over.
Romney doing much better than I thought he would. "I don't know what you're talking about"
Romney is killing it, IMO. I think Romney will settle down here soon and really hit it out of the park. Obama just isn't good on the defensive.
Really? Killing it? A bunch of fluff coming from Romney, no substance. Obama is mellow and relaxed because the pressure is on Romney and he's showing it.
Hating how many times Romney has to grind every single point Obama is making. He isnt even providing a rebuttal but simply restating his policies.
Romney coming across as petulant too by going through every point Obama makes and by continuingly ignoring Lehrer's requests.
I had never, seen or heard that word before now. SB for you sir.
Love how smug Obama is. Must be nice to be smiling while labor participation is at all time lows. What a failure. I'd be ashamed if I was Obama.
I just pray Republicans win the Senate and stop everything Obama wants to do for the next 4 more years. Ugg.
@FinancialNoviceII
Dude, Obama is babbling like a fu*king retard. He doesn't look prepared at all, and can't make eye contact. Romney is doing so much better. It's definitely a turning point in the election.
Agree he definitely needs to make more eye contact. Its a debate! But disagree about Romney doing better. I think Obama thinks he's going to sail through this, kinda playing off Romney rather than preparing anything. Neither are covering themselves in glory but Romney is under more pressure to impress. He's trying too hard for me.
I assumed Obama would destroy Romney...I actually think Romney is winning.
He should have used the substitute NFL refs as an example about the necessity of regulation and having rules being evenly and sensibly applied.
Gotta say - Romney is doing extremely well. He makes clear points and is handling Obama's rebuttals well.
Guys, please keep this up. I am almost in the fetal position rooting for Romzilla. I need the support.
FinancialNoviceII:
I am not sure we are watching the same debate. Romney is winning this debate right now. Obama is stumbling over himself. The only thing Romney needs to do is settle down and let Jim moderate a bit.
Yeah, he's winning in terms of literally saying more things but nothing of substance for me. I like how Romney is being aggressive but Obama hasnt been troubled either.
haha well Obama scolds Jim... hahaha.
I would not want to moderate this debate...
Obama just said "jerk you around." He's so eloquent.
I think everyone is so impressed by Romney because expectations are so low.
Now we're supposed to be surprised he's beating a community organizer in a debate on the economy?
Romney's gaze when Obama is talking is like he's in awe of him. So strange.
lol, I think you are trying way too hard to find something going against Romney in this debate...
Romney needs to stop talking over lehrer; it comes across as whiny and petulant. However, on substance, he's doing a great job-totally in command of the facts. And his wealth of private sector experience is showing.
While I agree with you, Romney really needs to hit back at Obama. He is calming down more and really hitting details. Obama is talking too much fluff and what hurts him is his record really doesn't support him. This pomp and circumstance worked in 2008, but right now it sounds thin.
Romney HAS to stop talking over Jim. That being said, I am taking a look at Reddit...Reddit is even admitting Obama defeat right now in the comments.
http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/10wszp/official_reddit_realti…
[quote=MikelAngelo]I am taking a look at Reddit...Reddit is even admitting Obama defeat right now in the comments.
http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/10wszp/official_reddit_realti…]
Uggg. Don't go on Reddit man. I hate that site so much.
nm
I know. I know.
But, if Reddit admits a Republican is winning then the Republican is destroying.
Also, Intrade is down on Obama 10% right now. And falling...
http://www.intrade.com/v4/markets/contract/?contractId=743474
Mike, please stop man. You can't do this to me. This is going to break me if Romney fucks up and Clownbama says something witty.
God he sucks so much.
Romney definitely taking uncommitted voters at the moment. But he performed pretty well in the Republican debates if I recall. Just think Romney on the attack and Obama on the defensive is not unusual in this case.
Lehrer sucks however.
Shit's flying in this thread btw.
Lol someone let the MS fly on this thread
Wondered how long it would take Obama to mention bin Laden!
Obama is being a beta. Romney hits his points and doesn't let Lehrer dictate the tempo. Obama just listens to him.
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Must say though, I think Obama improved in the last 20 minutes but definitely a win for Romney.
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Puke. Obama hasn't done shit for the middle class, minorities or anyone else. Romney please for the love of God close strong!!
Agree Obama improved as the debate went on. Lehrer finally does his job when he cut off Romney with asking what he'll do as president.
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Where are Obama's kids. WTF.
School night?
I'm guessing that was Romney's kids kid?
Yeah, it was Romney's granddaughter I think. I was referencing Obama's kids now there...I bet they didn't bring them because its a school night, but idk.
Was I the only one watching the debate on youtube and they shut down the live stream after the first 30 seconds of Romney's final statement?
Romney seems happy. Obama didnt.
MSNBC Panel is really really down on Obama's debate performance tonight. I think Ed Schultz is abotu to cry. Shaking his head in disgust. I wonder what kind of bump Romney will get.
stay classy
Romney really hit his points and attacked Obama's spin. He brought out a lot of specifics. Obama needs to step his shit up. He might be popular and hold a slim lead, but his record isn't great and he isn't as magical as he was in 2008. Romney keeps this up and this race is going to be very, very close.
They're stuck on BET.
Agreed, Obama seemed rattled but I dont even know why. Romney's done nothing prior to tonight, and even then Obama ought to have sort of shackled the attacks by giving something for himself.
Obama camp should be worried about the fallout of this debate, especially by those who didnt even watch the debate.
Surprised no mention of the 48% especially as Romney kept reiterating 'middle-class'. That said, debate was always going to result in Obama on the backfoot as he wants a second term. Things got more interesting however.
Fox News is calling this a Romney victory.
^^ MSNBC is calling this a Romney victory. Chris Matthews is going to give himself an aneurysm on national tv. Just going off on how Obama should watch MSNBC for his talking points.
When Romney turned to point out the Constitution... that was good politics.
Axelrod is such a doucher.
Lets see how the Romney camp can capitalize on this. I think Ryan next week will run circles around Biden, but we will see.
CNN has some hag from the Obama camp crying about Romney not listening to the moderator. Obama was such a passive beta. Romney did exactly what he needed to do.
When I think Obama I think 8.4% unemployment, record low labor participation, $16T in debt, $1T+ deficits this year and next, and class warfare.
Man oh man, how far the anointed one has fallen from 2008.
and despite all this... in 34 days... he's still going to be re-elected. What can we garner from this?
Glad you can be so confident considering Romney is closing in the polls, which were close since the beginning and he is leading in a few battle ground states.
And if he is re-elected it is because voters are fucking morons. His record is shit and people want to give him 4 more years? Whatever.
When I think of the last republican president we've had, I think of 9/11. If the choice is between 9/11 and what you've described, I think the choice is pretty clear, but would love to hear your view also.
Yeah, because 4 years of Bush's policies caused 9/11.
No, Bush didn't cause 9/11, Bush failed to prevent it while he was in power. 9/11 is basically Bush's fault. Republicans don't have a good precedent in the executive branch. Personally, I don't think the United States can endure another 9/11.
Hahah ok buddy. Nice fake account by the way.
Suppose Clinton was at fault for the first Trade Center bombing? I mean he failed to prevent it also.
On a related note to the original post, my Romney positions on intrade are now performing admirably. Looking forward to Biden making a fool of himself next week.
Round 1 to the challenger, methinks.
I'm going to launch Capital Hill Oasis, because it would get way more hits than WSO.
That could be a great site for 5th graders talking about gibberish. Though I would imagine that someone with a college diploma would probably call it Capitol Hill Oasis.
Nothing like resorting to personal insults when you can't reply intelligently.
BT - pay this guy no mind. Making fake accounts to comment. Pretty silly.
Wow, that's, uhh, that's a really good idea.
Romney Won? Allahu Akbar!
Seeing the pundits on MSNBC piss their pants over obama's debate loss was truly priceless.
Romney is so much smarter and more competent than obama. Not even close. Further proof that people who have succeeded in the cutthroat world of high finance are more fit to run things than lawyers. I think top business schools will produce more future presidents than law schools, going forward.
Yeah. This is what happens when we elect the pied piper. Oh, I mean a community organizer.
i'll prob vote for obama
So will TNA. I think he's a closet liberal.
I get physically ill even watching Obama. Zero change my worthless vote goes to that man.
Everyone, bring on the monkey poo. I'm really sorry to interrupt this conservatard circle jerk we have going on here. Oh wait, I'm not.
Nice, you've managed to show you're racist and homophobic all in the span of one short thread. Keep it up, junior.
12345 is probably a troll. His 9/11 thing is just so absurd that it is laughable. More so because most people who think of 9/11 think Bush acted phenomenally in the wake of a horrific tragedy.
My favorite commentary on the night comes from our buddy Bill Maher.
Good call. I try and avoid Bill M as much as humanly possible, but he was right about this won. Romney came out strong and Obama wasn't ready for it.
Huffington Post always amuses me, but they've outdone themselves tonight.
On this article (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/03/chris-matthews-obama-debate_n_…), the top rated comment was:
"If President Obama went aggressive and rude like romney, he would be called out as an angry black man. No matter what he does it is pounced on. I think he has a plan and he followed it. There are two more debates and really, I think most Americans know who they are voting for by now.
Romney lied, lied and then lied. So, there you go."
Liberal tactics - when in doubt, bring up race.
^^^ @ Bruce:
MSNBC was pushing this narrative all night - that Obama couldn't be aggressive because if he did then the racist audience would think he was an angry black man.
They touched on this topic multiple times in the night before the debate and after.
"uuhhh and the middle class, uhh.. can buy a car for work.... uhh or buy a laptop for school..."
Questions Romney should ask: 1. Who were the founding fathers? 2. Why are you a socialist? 2. What is a balance sheet?
I'm sure one could definitely buy a car using the proceeds from selling your thousands of pairs of Allen Edmonds shoes.
OT - Anybody else having trouble seeing the posts in this topic because of the side panels blocking them out?
I've noticed this in some other topics as well.
I have no interest in the abortion issue. We should triple family planning clinics and put them all over lower income areas. I'd prefer Romney to be more isolationist. No need to be in the Middle East like we are now. Maybe not a Ron Paul pull back, but something in the middle. I would also like to see more emphasis in shrinking government. Sell off buildings, close the Dept of Education. Merge the Dept of Energy with the DoD.
Romney should also be less apologetic. Sad that success is looked down upon in this country. Goes for both Obama and Romney. Sad that they need to cater to the lowest common denominator.
TNA, hop off romneys jock for 2 seconds sheesh lol
By the way, 9/11 was not entirely Bush's fault.....Clinton removed more than half of the C.I.A.'s programs after the cold war because it was deemed "unnecessary" for starters. Then, Clinton was offered to get that jerk off from the saudi's, and turned down the offer. Better get your facts straight because we could have gotten him the first time around. Who's to blame now?
Absent the teleprompter, the adoring staged audiences, and the fawning press, Obama didn't come off very well. The fictional Mitt Romney created by Obama campaign operatives didn't match the real guy.
Interesting to see the reaction this morning. Internationally, media kinda called it a slight edge for Romney (same as pretty much what I said last night; i.e. Romney had to go on the attack and a first debate was always going to be a defensive exercise for Obama). Having said that, one point was interesting was how eager Obama appeared to get off the stage. I think the Obama camp expected an attacking Romney but not a rattled Obama. Has to step it up for the next debate.
Also, get a new moderator. Lehrer himself mentioned how he did a bad job. And frankly, having the audience eerily quiet is stupid. I would want a reaction (as it would definitely impact who won the debate more conclusively) but I cant see it not descending into a free-for-all.
What really matters is here, though: http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2012/images/10/03/top12.pdf
Regardless of candidate they support 67% of people thought Romney did a better job in the debate. That's one of the biggest "blowout" losses according to modern polling in campaign history. That said, the first debates tend to have the biggest impact, but debates themselves don't have that much impact. The biggest move ever after a debate, in the modern polling era, was about 3% points nationally. Considering the size of the blowout I wouldn't be surprised to see a 3% point move, which would essentially make Romney and Obama tied in the polls.
Now Obama has somewhat of a swing state fence, where he is leading in those more than he is nationally. So even if Romney takes the popular vote nationwide it's not out of the question that we see a Bush v. Gore where Romney wins the popular vote but loses the electoral college. So Romney still has a bit of an uphill battle, but this went a long way to making it a very interesting race.
I'm not one to call out polls, but some of these state-level polls are just abysmal. Using 2008 turn out models or even better Democrat turnout in almost all of these polls. We're probably going to see turnout closer to 2004 than 2008, which would change the entire character of the race. I'm by no means saying Romney will win, but the statistical models have been horrible at the state level.
Obama is the man
http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2012/10/04/958801/at-last-nights-deba…
You are posting Thinkprogress? Really...
I find it laughable that Obama could even think of owning Romney on foreign affairs. Hahah. Obama can dominate in organizing inner city citizens, redistributing wealth and destroying an economy, but foreign affairs is not his strong suit.
Next debate Obama is just going to harp on the tax rate and talk about fair repeatedly. Bout it. Class warfare is his go to since his record blows.
Its not exactly Romney's strength either. In fact, he's done quite a lot of damage to his already lackluster credentials. Perhaps own is a strong term but I fully expect Obama to come out on top in that round, but then again I also didnt expect him to be so meek last night either.
If people can be convinced by debates, Romney is gonna kill. Because Obama was OK when he didn't have to defend anything at all. Except a year of "Present" senate votes. Now he has to defend his policies. By arguing that "things could be worse". That is never a good position to be in. Romney just has to say that "We tried Obama's way, and this is what we got. Let's do something else"
Obama can be hit across the board-
I could keep going, but it mainly goes to show that Obama is gonna be heavy on the rhetoric/rich bashing and light on the policy. Because people aren't stupid enough to say "We've tried for 4 years, let's give him another 4 to try the same." So he has to turn people against Romney in other ways...sadly some people will fall for that.
Also, the polls in Ohio have been D +9. That is an absurd turnout. 2008 was D +7, do you think that MORE Democrats will turn out, and/or LESS Republicans? I'd be betting on the complete opposite.
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2012/10/04/romney-plans-foreign-policy-sp…
First paragraph Ant.
http://www.collegehumor.com/video/6830834/mitt-romney-style-gangnam-sty…
On Foreign Policy, all Romney has to do is talk about how we will stay strong with Israel, but dont act like he is itching for a war with anyone. Talk about Obama's failure and coverup of the kiling of of US citizens in Lybia and how Obama has started multiple wars (without Congressional approval), et al. He needs to also have a statement prepared for when Obama talks about Osama Bin Laden; tell the world how we appreciate Obama making the call but the intel and work to get Osama's location has been in the works years before Obama even came on the Presidential scene.
This. Obama is remarkably vulnerable on foreign policy in a debate. Whether you agree or not with his foreign policy, some of his policies easily fit into a 2-minute sound bite of powerful criticism. The overwhelming majority of viewers will be completely ignorant on the topic of foreign policy and will probably be forced to take the candidates at face value.
Agreed. But viewers also like facts and just as Romney was dropping lots of stats, I see Obama hammering home the Bin Laden fact.
So prompting reassurance of an alliance with Israel is supposed to sway voters? I'm not big on polls,etc but seeing as everyone was dropping them, I saw several different polls recently that Israel-US relations is low on the totem pole, like 3% low so I dont see your Joe Nobody giving a shit about Israel, and Obama, I dont think has alienated the Jewish vote. Romney wants to paint Obama as anti-Israel but little evidence indicates that and yet even so, this election is not taking place in Israel.
I dont know what wars you're talking about. Agree on the last point however, Obama cannot rely solely on the fact he killed Bin Laden, but his supporters cling on to that fact something fierce so should be interesting.
You're not from the United States, which means you lack context on this issue. There is only one foreign policy position that has overwhelming voter support in the U.S. and that's support (and some would argue that it's blind support) for Israel. It's definitely a hot button issue in the U.S., and it's probably the only foreign policy issue that can be successfully demagogued or used to sway voter opinion. Obama has a very bad relationship with Israeli PM Benyamin Netenyahu that has been well publicized in US media. Foreign policy in general is unlikely to move many voters one way or the other--the only thing Romney needs to do is to hit hard on support for Israel and attack Obama on his poor relationship with Netenyahu. It will sway few voters but will help him harden his supporters' support for him.
With regard to the Jewish vote, I've seen polls that show Obama has lost about 10% of his support in the Jewish community (was mid-70s, now mid-60s).
Wait. Can someone explain to me how Obama is strong on foreign policy? I mean c'mon. Deaths in Afghanistan have increased substantially since Obama. We had a half ass pull out in Iraq. We got involved in the Arab spring, but now sit on the side lines with Syria. China doesn't give a shit what we say. Putin is now back in power, putting protesters in jail and blowing the US off. Iran continues with their nuclear program. Israel, our ally in the ME, has been blown off.
Now I mean this isn't all Obama's fault, but what at best Obama has been just whatever in foreign policy. Now, frankly, I want Obama to focus on the US right now so I don't care about his weakness, but to say he has some strength in this area confuses me.
The world rejoiced when Obama was elected. The dude got a Nobel Peace prize without doing anything. And he has been as much of a let down globally as he has been locally.
And fine, Obama supporters can vote for Obama and think that he is better than Romney. But oh how has the mighty fallen. He went from being the second coming to just better than the other guy. Wow. This is what happens when you elect a guy without experience, who didn't have enough real world experience, who was a "community organizer" which is basically a nice way of saying he manipulated inner city minorities.
I'll never like Democrats, but good lord, why wasn't Hillary elected President. She might be a bitch, but she knows how to wield power and negotiate. I thought Bill was a dirt bag personally, but the guy at least knew how to come to the table and act humble. Obama just thinks his shit doesn't stink.
The China thing perhaps a little less so lately as it's economy is on a downward spiral somewhat but its an issue to be concerned of.
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