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I think it was Isaiah_53_5 💎🙌💎🙌💎

Nah bro, I have an alibi at your Mom's place. Her Ring shows me entering. Good times.

"If you always put limits on everything you do, physical or anything else, it will spread into your work and into your life. There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go beyond them." - Bruce Lee
 

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Sam Hyde. He planned this YEARS ago.

a man with a beard is screaming with his mouth open and the words `` he can 't keep getting away with it '' .

"If you don't have any enemies in life you have never stood up for anything" - Winston Churchill | "It's a testament to the sheer belligerence of the profession that people would rather argue about the 'risk-adjusted returns' of using inferior tooth cleaning methods." - kellycriterion
 

Million Dollar Extreme, but it's not actually about him lol

"If you don't have any enemies in life you have never stood up for anything" - Winston Churchill | "It's a testament to the sheer belligerence of the profession that people would rather argue about the 'risk-adjusted returns' of using inferior tooth cleaning methods." - kellycriterion
 

I think there are several options (some realistic, others not) and I have no idea which it is:

1. Disgruntled Investor/Corporate sabotage - He was there for the investor conference and somebody either within his company or at a competitor had it out for him for some policy/update he was going to announce at the conference. I like to think that Someone over at CIGNA called the hit in.

2. Robinhood  - this is already most peoples gut reaction, I think it's wrong, but who knows.

3. Government killing - someone is covering there tracks, sending a message, etc. inside the FBI/CIA, again potentially for something they didn't want him to announce/do at the conference. 

4. I like the hot take from throway593 - the wife doing interviews saying there were death threats is interesting, though given what seems to be the thorough, public, and professional nature of the killing, I tend to think that this likely isn't the case.

5. Mafia/underworld ties - unlikely, but it's possible he had some connection to organized crime and they resolved a disagreement (less likely I know, but this whole thing is insane)

 

#1 is very hard to believe (disgruntled investor). UHG is arguably the best stock in healthcare for the past 15 years. Massive returns since 2009 and far more reliable than other health insurance stocks.

Lol at the Cigna take. Know a handful of people at both of these companies, Cigna are way nicer / fratty to an extent. Far more laidback from what I saw vs. UHG people.

 

Maybe Brian was going away from the "DDD" mantra and it was going to tank the stock. Maybe he's the good guy here. Maybe the #2 didn't want to wait for a shot at the top. 

My only interaction with Cigna is as a patient (not amazing, but not the worst), and on their investment side, which was... meh. That said, corporate sabotage hit is my sleeper candidate for motive.

 
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I think there are several options (some realistic, others not) and I have no idea which it is:

1. Disgruntled Investor/Corporate sabotage - He was there for the investor conference and somebody either within his company or at a competitor had it out for him for some policy/update he was going to announce at the conference. I like to think that Someone over at CIGNA called the hit in.

2. Robinhood  - this is already most peoples gut reaction, I think it's wrong, but who knows.

3. Government killing - someone is covering there tracks, sending a message, etc. inside the FBI/CIA, again potentially for something they didn't want him to announce/do at the conference. 

4. I like the hot take from throway593 - the wife doing interviews saying there were death threats is interesting, though given what seems to be the thorough, public, and professional nature of the killing, I tend to think that this likely isn't the case.

5. Mafia/underworld ties - unlikely, but it's possible he had some connection to organized crime and they resolved a disagreement (less likely I know, but this whole thing is insane)

Not sure how you can list all these and not list a family member of a client who died due to lack of insurance support. 

"If you always put limits on everything you do, physical or anything else, it will spread into your work and into your life. There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go beyond them." - Bruce Lee
 

Apparently the words, deny, defend and depose were written on the ammunition.  From what I have read, that might mean deny claims, defend law suits and depose witnesses. 

 

If you see the lefty journalists on Twitter highlighting other HC CEOs and cheering about it, kinda does seem like the libs' fault.

"If you don't have any enemies in life you have never stood up for anything" - Winston Churchill | "It's a testament to the sheer belligerence of the profession that people would rather argue about the 'risk-adjusted returns' of using inferior tooth cleaning methods." - kellycriterion
 

Having watched the video, I don't think it was a pro. The shooter used a gun with a suppressor, but had to chamber a new round for every shot. 

That leads me to believe that he used subsonic ammunition, but either didn't know - or couldn't access the right parts to the gun to make it operate in a normal semi-automatic way. With subsonic ammo you need a less stiff recoil spring, otherwise the gun won't chamber a round correctly / jam. This is fairly common knowledge for people that use guns regularly, and they sell standard kits (different springs) for various loads. 

Of course, it could be that the hitman used some kind of DIY single-shot handgun, but I'm more leaning toward the above.  

Other than that, the shooter did look cool and collected from the vid. Granted you only saw them from the back, but he shot Thompson 3-4 times, and then just walked away casually. Didn't run or look panicked. From what I've read, he had loitered around the area for some time. 

But exactly who - that's hard to say. Disgruntled customer? Family / friends of someone that got screwed over by UH? Financial motives? 

The simplest answer would be that it is someone that got screwed over (themselves, or family), and lost it. But it sure seemed planned.

 

To be fair, if you're planning something like this, you probably don't want to go to the range and dial in all the pieces of the gun together in public, so he/they may have just guessed on what the right spring strength was and guessed wrong.  Clearing a jam that quickly while in the middle of shooting someone in broad daylight in Midtown implies both a significant knowledge of firearms, and significant coolness under pressure like that. If not a professional, it was someone pretty darn close.  Retired/active duty military with a beef about denied coverage could be another option.

The only difference between Asset Management and Investment Research is assets. I generally see somebody I know on TV on Bloomberg/CNBC etc. once or twice a week. This sounds cool, until I remind myself that I see somebody I know on ESPN five days a week.
 
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To be fair, if you're planning something like this, you probably don't want to go to the range and dial in all the pieces of the gun together in public, so he/they may have just guessed on what the right spring strength was and guessed wrong.  Clearing a jam that quickly while in the middle of shooting someone in broad daylight in Midtown implies both a significant knowledge of firearms, and significant coolness under pressure like that. If not a professional, it was someone pretty darn close.  Retired/active duty military with a beef about denied coverage could be another option.

I saw some commentary elsewhere from a "gun expert" that he was using a bolt-action pistol, likely a B&T Station Six (https://bt-usa.com/product-category/station-six/).  So I guess it's possible that the gun was functioning properly, but just had to be chambered manually.

 

I think 'professionals' dont really exist, at least not in the way people think and the movies show. A professional gun would either work for the Govt/Security agency, make money working advance security detail (Think Exxon in Africa),etc.  Anyone that someone would pay to kill is going to typically be an unsophisticated lowlife that is desperate for money - e.g., part of organized crime and not be 'for sale' (mob, gangsters, cartel, etc.)

Hired 'hitmen' especially for a VIP target that most of us think requires someone:

- extremely sophisticated and experienced to be able to kill someone with little trace, AND

- Willing to engage in a very risky, to them, action AND

- Doing so for a substantial amount of money that makes sense to offset that risk. In the case of a CEO that has to be a 6-figure contract if not more.

It just doesnt make sense. If someone is really that good at this then they wont need the money and can find other ways to get paid for their services that arent as unsavory. If someone IS willing to kill a stranger for money then they likely are in need of money bad and that probably reflects poorly on their skill level.

It's like that old MBA 'Product Triangle'. You cant have it all, so simply put these high end hitmen 'professionals' dont exist. As for this guy he clearly covered his tracks very well and knows how to use a weapon in a very high pressure situation. He HAS to have some experience here and maybe even knows how the inside of the system works (military, former cop, etc.)

 

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