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bruh just heard MDs at big players like GSO make 1-2 mill comp per year and get carry (slightly less than PE tho) can y’all back this up???

 

If you’re going to a name brand shop, associatecomp will be between the $200k-250k range. These shops mostly recruit out of IB analyst programs (Ares, Golub, GSO, PennantPark, THL Credit, Maranon, HPS, Owl Rock, Bain Capital Credit, AEA Private Debt, etc)

 

200-250 is all in right? Any idea on the number of people that come from S&T (credit)?

 
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Side note - my firm is notorious for paying under market and we pay slightly higher than those numbers on the AO / SAO side of things. Some comp is deferred but dropping as a data point.

 

PE shops will diligence an investment harder than the credit funds. I can take educated guesses on primary reasons:

Equity investments are, by definition, riskier and should require a more robust investment thesis.

The PE shop may take an active role in operating the company and directing its strategy, wheras the lender is a passive participant.

Credit funds often have longstanding relationships with sponsors, and to an extent they can rely on some of the diligence done by the sponsor rather than duplicating efforts.

And I could be very wrong on this last one, but I assume PE funds are taking fewer, more concentrated bets, while credit funds have greater portfolio diversification.

 
"HighlyClevered" PE shops will diligence an investment harder than the credit funds. I can take educated guesses on primary reasons:

Equity investments are, by definition, riskier and should require a more robust investment thesis.

The PE shop may take an active role in operating the company and directing its strategy, wheras the lender is a passive participant.

Credit funds often have longstanding relationships with sponsors, and to an extent they can rely on some of the diligence done by the sponsor rather than duplicating efforts.

And I could be very wrong on this last one, but I assume PE funds are taking fewer, more concentrated bets, while credit funds have greater portfolio diversification.

Also depends on where you are in the debt cap structure.

My firm when we do a 1L at say c. 3.5x leverage on a well diversified business that trades at 10x + will do significantly less diligence than say doing an unsecured mezz piece at say 6.5x on a more concentrated business. Debt is all about principal protection rather than how fast we can grow the business.

Also doing business with repeat sponsors is good because you can generally figure out whether the sponsor is going to be a pain in the ass about putting in more money / taking aggressive moves if the business goes south.

 

Current banker in the credit space, most investors will do extensive diligence regardless of what we do but this varies by shop. You're correct in that PE funds mostly invest credit along companies that would typically fit their equity mandate, or they do combo debt/equity deals. While some credit funds are more diverse in what they invest in, there are also some that have very specific mandates as well and are much more concentrated. 

 

What is the best experience to leverage into private credit? I have seen LevFin is most common, but is it possible to recruit from a more general IB analyst program?

 

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