So messed up that the ‘best friend from college’ got you laid off. There should be laws against this stuff as it really hurts the free market. Maybe overkill but maybe consult with an employment lawyer.
I actually did talk to an employment lawyer but unfortunately it would be too tough a case to pursue. Laws unfortunately really favor the employer in this case. Do you have any advice though as I go through recruiting in terms of how / if I should disclose this?
The lack of bonus is crazy maybe check with another lawyer. I would absolutely shame them after you land your next job (posting that you worked a year and didn’t get a bonus at year end would be telling the truth and not defamation)…in terms of disclosing, my suggestion would be don’t - you are employed on paper so don’t need a crazy story other than you want broader experience. If you can’t find something after 2 months, push your firm to keep you on the payroll (or on website at least) until you can land something else. 2 months is not a lot of time to land a new PE job unfortunately so maybe talk with them now and try to get 6 months (even if they don’t pay you).
I understand it's a close friend, but it's unprofessional and sharp-elbowed for the person you were interviewing with to do this, for no reason. I would feel awful about causing someone to lose their current job.
This may be a long shot, but do you think you could even tell the firm you were interviewing with what happened and see if they could help? Not sure how far you got in the interview process. I realize that may just not be practical.
Not paying you a bonus is really bad form. You should definitely try to lateral but if that fails.. then I would go scorched earth.. Scumbags should be called out, publicly.
First, let this be a cautionary tale for all the chimps who ask on other threads about back-channel references --> Assume that any recruiter email that you answer or interview screen that you take can get back to your firm
Next, let this also be an example of the risk of recruiting before hitting a key milestone (bonus payout, carry vesting date, etc.) --> Firms hate disloyalty and can turn unpredictable (case in point), so tread carefully and generally wait for key dates to pass before putting yourself at-risk
Now for the positives - this situation is pretty wild and no bonus (even if prorated) is really aggressive
The associate program is effectively a 'pact' between a firm and an associate --> You're committing to stay for the full program (2 years) and in return, generally have a guaranteed job for two years (unless you do something illegal/ridiculous OR you're absolutely abysmal AND not trying) --> Accordingly, if you leave early, you're breaking this pact and can quickly get a "you're dead to us" label (Exhibit A)
As a hirer, I'd be pretty sympathetic of your situation, but here's how I'd frame it:
Have a concise talk track about the situation BUT moreso, your future aspirations (i.e., less bashing, more positivity towards what's next)
Specifically, address the elephant in the room - have talking points prepped on loyalty (recognize that it's discouraged to leave your program early but you had reasons, emphasize your intent for a longer/career-track role at this next opportunity, provide a few areas of discontent but don't dwell or bash here and instead focus more on positives (why you're excited about this next firm/seat, how you see yourself staying for multiple years, perceived better cultural fit than your old job, etc.))
Overall, I'd address the situation head-on with recruiters and hiring firms, but then move on and not dwell --> If they invite you for an interview, they're signaling that they're already generally comfortable with the situation, so don't have too much of a chip on your shoulder
Finally, don't be surprised if you have to redo all/part of A1, particularly if you're upgrading firm and/or geo
Hopefully you can use this two months to quickly snag a seat for an August/September start and have a seamless transition. Good luck!
I have a slightly different opinion than the above, so take it as another POV. I was in a similar situation and this method worked for me. For the next month or two in interviews I would avoid talking about getting let go completely. Don't lie and make statements about you still being employed, you might even change the end date on your resume experience to July instead of "Present" so that you are not lying during recruiting. When they ask you about the team and your experience, just make sure not to say anything dishonest about them being your current team. If you land something then you are in a good spot... and worst case scenario is that after starting the new job, they find out somehow that you had been let go during the recruitment process. You explain that it was your recruiting itself that caused the firing and not performance and you have references to verify that, etc.
After 1-2 months you should lean more towards SaaSChimp's approach above. Be upfront and explain the situation. I don't want to encourage you to just sprint and get just any job in the next month because you feel timing pressure... but to be clear, being let go WILL affect your chances of landing a new role, and it DOES impact how the recruiting team thinks about you, even if it wasn't performance based. But I will reiterate one more time before getting hit with MS, don't lie to the recruiters, thats a bad idea
I'm curious about your thoughts on the suggestion people often make to reach out to former employees of firms you are interviewing with (it was a discussion in a recent thread).
To me, it seems like there is no benefit to the person you reach out to on LinkedIn to respond (whether they liked the firm or not), but it puts you at risk of them telling the firm you are interviewing at that you are snooping. I just keep seeing that pop up as a recommendation, so maybe I am thinking about this incorrectly. It's hard to diligence the culture of firms you are interviewing with, whereas they have the benefit of obtaining references on the candidate.
This is pretty fucked, especially considering the head hunter role is sort of implicitly highly confidential.
Why did they snitch to your then-current firm? Was it something where that same firm placed you there initially and were pissed you were looking to leave?
Ngl good inflection point bro. Bonus situation seems a bit odd but PE is a dying asset class anyways.
Look into these new AI strategy type of roles at the agentic startups. You have a good background and that space is picking up a lot of steam
If you work at a cool series A/B/C startup for a year or two, it could give you a very interesting skillet to do something entrepreneurial on your own later
No need to keep running on the finance hamster wheel IMO. The expected value of Wall Street overall is getting compressed anyways
Mind giving quick thoughts? If someone has a strategic finance / GTM / ops role at an AI for finance startup (hebbia, modelML, rogo, etc) would you advise taking that vs PE? Say PE was $300k all in and the AI gig was $260k what you taking?
(Apologies, don’t mean to hijack OP, goodluck in your search)
You’re very highly likely to not land a job in the next two months, so trying to fake still being employed isn’t worth the deceit.
You enjoyed the work, but the culture wasn’t a great fit. You started to recruit and the new firm told your current firm, who fired you right before bonus. Not performance related.
ya i agree with this sentiment. it will be difficult to find a gig in 2 months. hope i'm wrong tho. the argument against it is that the "20XX - Present" will open the door to more initial conversations bc people are dumb. at least you can control framing vs auto dinging you.
ppl are cynical so they will believe there is more to the story, but I think if you are honest, hiring managers will empathize.
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So messed up that the ‘best friend from college’ got you laid off. There should be laws against this stuff as it really hurts the free market. Maybe overkill but maybe consult with an employment lawyer.
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The lack of bonus is crazy maybe check with another lawyer. I would absolutely shame them after you land your next job (posting that you worked a year and didn’t get a bonus at year end would be telling the truth and not defamation)…in terms of disclosing, my suggestion would be don’t - you are employed on paper so don’t need a crazy story other than you want broader experience. If you can’t find something after 2 months, push your firm to keep you on the payroll (or on website at least) until you can land something else. 2 months is not a lot of time to land a new PE job unfortunately so maybe talk with them now and try to get 6 months (even if they don’t pay you).
Name and shame the firm, both of them
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I wrote a long response earlier that apparently failed to post, ugh. I’ll re-write tomorrow. Stay tuned.
I understand it's a close friend, but it's unprofessional and sharp-elbowed for the person you were interviewing with to do this, for no reason. I would feel awful about causing someone to lose their current job.
This may be a long shot, but do you think you could even tell the firm you were interviewing with what happened and see if they could help? Not sure how far you got in the interview process. I realize that may just not be practical.
Not paying you a bonus is really bad form. You should definitely try to lateral but if that fails.. then I would go scorched earth.. Scumbags should be called out, publicly.
Few thoughts:
Hopefully you can use this two months to quickly snag a seat for an August/September start and have a seamless transition. Good luck!
I have a slightly different opinion than the above, so take it as another POV. I was in a similar situation and this method worked for me. For the next month or two in interviews I would avoid talking about getting let go completely. Don't lie and make statements about you still being employed, you might even change the end date on your resume experience to July instead of "Present" so that you are not lying during recruiting. When they ask you about the team and your experience, just make sure not to say anything dishonest about them being your current team. If you land something then you are in a good spot... and worst case scenario is that after starting the new job, they find out somehow that you had been let go during the recruitment process. You explain that it was your recruiting itself that caused the firing and not performance and you have references to verify that, etc.
After 1-2 months you should lean more towards SaaSChimp's approach above. Be upfront and explain the situation. I don't want to encourage you to just sprint and get just any job in the next month because you feel timing pressure... but to be clear, being let go WILL affect your chances of landing a new role, and it DOES impact how the recruiting team thinks about you, even if it wasn't performance based. But I will reiterate one more time before getting hit with MS, don't lie to the recruiters, thats a bad idea
Very supportive here +1
I'm curious about your thoughts on the suggestion people often make to reach out to former employees of firms you are interviewing with (it was a discussion in a recent thread).
To me, it seems like there is no benefit to the person you reach out to on LinkedIn to respond (whether they liked the firm or not), but it puts you at risk of them telling the firm you are interviewing at that you are snooping. I just keep seeing that pop up as a recommendation, so maybe I am thinking about this incorrectly. It's hard to diligence the culture of firms you are interviewing with, whereas they have the benefit of obtaining references on the candidate.
Had this happened when a recruiter reported to my firm that I was interested in leaving. I didn’t realize until after i had been pushed out
Well known recruiting shop too like an Amity Search kinda firm
This is pretty fucked, especially considering the head hunter role is sort of implicitly highly confidential.
Why did they snitch to your then-current firm? Was it something where that same firm placed you there initially and were pissed you were looking to leave?
they were looking for our next associate to backfill someone leaving. ended backfilling 2, including me
Ngl good inflection point bro. Bonus situation seems a bit odd but PE is a dying asset class anyways.
Look into these new AI strategy type of roles at the agentic startups. You have a good background and that space is picking up a lot of steam
If you work at a cool series A/B/C startup for a year or two, it could give you a very interesting skillet to do something entrepreneurial on your own later
No need to keep running on the finance hamster wheel IMO. The expected value of Wall Street overall is getting compressed anyways
Mind giving quick thoughts? If someone has a strategic finance / GTM / ops role at an AI for finance startup (hebbia, modelML, rogo, etc) would you advise taking that vs PE? Say PE was $300k all in and the AI gig was $260k what you taking?
(Apologies, don’t mean to hijack OP, goodluck in your search)
What else can you do but be honest?
You’re very highly likely to not land a job in the next two months, so trying to fake still being employed isn’t worth the deceit.
You enjoyed the work, but the culture wasn’t a great fit. You started to recruit and the new firm told your current firm, who fired you right before bonus. Not performance related.
ya i agree with this sentiment. it will be difficult to find a gig in 2 months. hope i'm wrong tho. the argument against it is that the "20XX - Present" will open the door to more initial conversations bc people are dumb. at least you can control framing vs auto dinging you.
ppl are cynical so they will believe there is more to the story, but I think if you are honest, hiring managers will empathize.
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