pik interest "Tax-deductible" Modeling Treatment Question
Possibly stupid question so apologies in advance. Very depressingly grinding through LBOs right now and had a question regarding "tax-deductible" and "non-tax deductible" treatment in an LBO (really just general modeling purposes).
So my very simplified and convenient understanding, planning to use for modeling tests in interview settings, is that stuff that is non-tax deductible that I generally come across in LBO (like amort of write up of intangibles, pp&e write up in a transaction, or PIK interest) still shows up on the income statement, but there is a deferred tax effect (the pre-tax income on the tax statements would essentially add these "non-tax deductible" items and then create a deferred tax item on the cash flow calc). might be wrong, but that's the logic I've been seeing in sample tests. and perhaps my syntax here isn't so accurate and may be overloading some terms, but that's my understanding of "not tax deductible" generally.
however, i've seen an unnamed widely used LBO resource say that if pik interest in not tax deductible, then it doesnt show up on the IS or CFS altogether? i guess pik debt debits by 10 and equity credits by -10?
my question really is that if i come across PIK interest as being referred to as non-tax deductible, what is the correct approach without spinning like crazy on it? because im very certain my understanding of the non-tax deductible with regards to things like amort of intangibles or amort of pp&e from a write up is correct. its just the pik interest case that is confusing and where it seems to be overloaded. mb if the post is unclear.
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Firstly, in EMEA, PIK interest is generally tax deductible upon accrual. Believe this is also the case in the US (depending on structuring). Ultimately you want to avoid that the PIK is perceived as a disguised dividend. Might also run into issues if it’s provided by a related party. (No legal advice)
In terms of modelling, I would include it in the interest line of the P&L (maybe split it out). You then also include it in the tax workings. But you don’t have it in the cash flow because it’s not a cash effective item. So starting from EBITDA you subtract the cash interest but not the PIK interest. Hope that makes sense.
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