You have it so good - what am I missing?

Longtime lurker, first time poster, so apologies for the rant. I'm just trying to understand why there's so much malaise on this forum. Having been in this industry for half a decade now (including sell-side / buy-side experience), I'm always shocked at the level of complaints that people have, especially as 20 something year olds with no discernible skills. This isn't a generational issue in my opinion and not the predominant feeling in the industry, but a lot of the posts on here are people bemoaning how hard their life is for the decisions they make voluntarily.

This isn't supposed to be easy or satisfactory. We all get paid an insane amount relative to our skillset (most of us were too lazy to code or majored in something hard and wanted to get paid more for less hard work). We get to live in beautiful cities (except SF but that's a political problem) with every luxury known to mankind. We can afford to max our 401k and put a card down for tables. For those of us who grew up-middle class but not rich and had student loans - I was able to pay off 200k in debt with my first three bonuses. We even get perks such that we do not have to worry about transportation / food costs!

I just don't understand why so many people refuse to acknowledge the fundamental trade-off between the amount we get paid and the drain on our time. No one is entitled to pull-in six figure salaries, have a robust social lives, 3 hours a day for cardio and lifting - we all have to optimize for what we care about, Yes, a lot of the work we do is mind-numbing - I promise you having worked service jobs that most other jobs are equally uninteresting and pay a lot less. Yes, we are hard at work making money for people far richer than us who theoretically work far less than we do. Yes, we could reap much better economics in the search fund / reseller world - with significantly more risk. But in terms of optimizing for future earnings, current savings, building commercial acumen, etc - there's just no better place to be. There's so much value to being around smart people who push you to become better via encouragement or competition. Yes, we all were jealous of our product manager friends who pulled in 400k in comp fresh out of college - but except for the very best many of them don't have those jobs or skills anymore with layoffs in tech. And as an ethnic minority who is excluded from any of the benefits of diversity (though I went to a target), I totally get the frustration as a middle class kid watching someone with far more economic privilege get a smoother road to success than you.

I believe most of the horror stories I hear / read because I've seen them happen - bad bosses, dumb MBA associates, diversity/relationship hires who aren't competent, bad bonuses for some nonsense reason. But you always have the option to leave and do something else, especially the more years you put into this industry. We should all prioritize our health and our well being and it can be hard to do so in this industry, but we always have the option to leave. We aren't being asked to spend 80 hours in the coal mines, but in an air-conditioned room in front of a computer. Most of the extra hours we put in are often a function of our own poor shoddy work or inability to communicate. And there are literally tens of thousands of people our own age who would happily take this job if we wanted to leave.

I've had good and bad experiences in the industry, and totally appreciate that prestige, compensation, and WLB are not always correlated in the way you'd expect. It's just shocking to see posts comparing megafund PE to slavery or things of that nature. Most of you seem like pretty smart, reasonable people, so what am I missing here? Am I being too harsh in assuming that a lot of this is just entitlement / cognitive dissonance over not being able to cut it in an objectively demanding field?

 

A lot of people fall into the IB/PE career path blindly as a freshman or sophomore, and just continue down the path because it's all they know. It's not easy to make life decisions at age 19, and hearing about 80-hour work weeks is a lot different than actually experiencing it.

Also, a lot of what happens on this website is purely venting. Your average college friend doesn't understand, so they come to this forum. Most of those people go to work the next day and are perfectly good employees, but you're allowed to dislike parts of your job even if it pays well.

 
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I think you underestimate the degree to which this forum is about venting in the moment.

i will admit to being frustrated and annoyed with the job at times - I think everyone is. In that moment, it feels good to bash it and let off some steam among people who “get it.” My parents don’t really get the ins and outs of the work but most people around here do, so it feels more cathartic to post here as you get more understanding nods. Same as if I shoot a quick message to a friend in the industry complaining about what this or that co-worker did - in the moment, I’m irate, but LT I look at the team and I’m broadly quite happy with it.

This also reminds me of that story they used to tell about Ryanair (I think; or another budget airline like Southwest). Lots of people complain about issues and swear to never return, but while the stated preference is to hate on the airline, the revealed preference is that the only thing buyers care about is price and they keep coming back for more.

The analogy with PE is that while there are horror stories and we can vent at the edges, it’s a very competitive gig to get and a good share of people will be very focused on being LT successful and happy in it. People reveal their true preference despite the moaning.

Now all that said, it’s also possible you see the effects of “in theory” vs. “in practice.” We can be nice to each other and have an overall good feel in the team, but reality is that we’re in a competitive industry, where you need to be at the top of your game to win consistently. This is not achieved with a 9 to 5 as you say. People intellectually understand there will be sacrifices in theory but they may struggle in practice - they will see that missed anniversary dinner or Thanksgiving as a cannon event that breaks something for you personally. In which case people leave, perhaps while also mostly focused on the negatives because those feature more prominently in the decision they made. 
But again, that’s one subset of people. Another subset will be happy to grind through. And I suppose my take overall is that you can be happy/fulfilled/rich/whatever else matters to you both in that prestigious PE job but also doing something else. 

 

I think most people assume starting out that 80-100 hour weeks on end is doable and while challenging, not crushing. However, on top of that, it’s the endless stress, anxiety (making sure every number ties, no mistakes anywhere, etc.) on top of lack of sleep (typically 4-6 hours) makes it much harder than originally perceived. 


Agreed about how some of the comments comparing PE to slavery are hyperbole, but it’s moreover that if you’re sacrificing a lot to this job and killing yourself for months on end, the least you could hope for is being treated adequately or more importantly not being chastised in a toxic environment where you’re seen as nothing more than a machine / resource. Or if that’s the expectation, then be upfront about it instead of selling false expectations of strong culture. 
 

Overall, I think (like me initially) expected something much better or at least somewhat better, and while better in some areas, it’s worse in other ways. 

 

This was a good synopsis, I agree +1SB. It's really a matter of perspective and individual motivations.

I think what's missing here is the conversation around the ability for the individual to discern themselves about what work they pursue.

A lot of this shit is just noise from the excesses of capitalism. It comes from those who are trying to self-discover, that's all.

Nice work.

 

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