Path to MF/UMM Real Estate
Hello All,
This summer, I will be starting as an RE Balance Sheet Lending Analyst at a BB but in a T2/T3 market (ex. ATL, CLT, DC) this summer. For context, I graduated from a Southeastern Semi-Target (ex. Vandy, UNC, Emory) with a 3.6 GPA. I also have about 9 months of relevant internship experience across roles in PE backed CorpDev, a PERE 100 REPE, and an Institutional Developer.
I am looking to pivot to a higher paying role in NYC after 1 or 2 years in my upcoming role (ideally as soon as possible) and was wondering if it is possible to get into a MF/UMM REPE or a debt fund role in NYC.
My research has led to a few options that I was hoping you guys could help me evaluate the likelihood of:
1. Internal lateral to BS Lending team in NYC office after 1st year, then recruit for REPE/Debt fund Senior Analyst/Associate roles after 2 total years on BS Lending team
2. Internal lateral to team with better exits after 1yr. Same BB bank but in NYC office (REGL IB or CMBS originations). Recruit for REPE/Debt fund Associate roles after 3 total years at BB bank.
3. Recruit for REPE/Debt fund Senior Analyst/Associate roles in NYC after 2 years on BS lending team in T2 market
4. Recruit for REPE/Debt fund Analyst roles in NYC after 1 year on BS Lending team in T2 market
5. Lateral to an RE finance analyst role in NYC but at a different BB balance sheet bank after 1yr, then recruit for REPE/Debt fund associate roles with 3 total years of banking experience
6. Recruit for MM/BB/EB REGL IB analyst roles at different banks in NYC after 1st year, then recruit for REPE/Debt fund associate roles after 3 total YOE.
7. Get MSRED from Columbia/Harvard/MIT after 1yr at BB bank then try to recruit for REPE/Development analyst roles
8. Get MSRED from Columbia/Harvard/MIT after 2yrs at BB bank on BS lending team in T2 market, then recruit for REPE/Dev senior analyst/associate roles
9. Recruit for MM/LMM REPE Associate roles in NYC after 2yrs at bank in T2 market, then go to M7/T10 MBA and recruit for MF REPE associate roles
10. Spend 3-4yrs in Current role in T2 market then get M7/T10 MBA and recruit for NYC BB REGL IB or MF REPE/Debt fund Associate roles
At its core, my question is whether it’s possible to move from a T2/T3 market to NYC while moving upmarket in terms of comp and prestige without getting a masters.
Also, given my background, are there any other routes I could take that I didn’t list? I am open to roles at top developers, REITs, RE Hedge funds, Eastdil brokerage, and REIB (anywhere that analyst 1 comp is 150k+).
My goal is to get to NYC as soon as possible while avoiding spending more than 3yrs at the Analyst level (unless I end up going the MSRED route). Am I delusional or am I in a good position to achieve my goal given my pedigree and that I am willing to grind? (I am a 4-yr NCAA athlete in an extremely challenging sport).
Any thoughts would be appreciated.
First off, take a breath. You haven’t even hit your desk for Day 1 and you’ve already mapped out a 10-step multiverse of career paths. I get the anxiety, I'm wrapping up my business program and heading into a real estate fund seat myself soon, but you are vastly overcomplicating this.
You have a 3.6 from a semi-target, you’re an NCAA athlete (which WSO and finance shops generally love because it proves you can grind and take getting yelled at), and you landed a Balance Sheet Lending role at a BB. You are in a great spot.
Here is the reality of your 10 options: throw out half of them.
1. Kill the MSRED ideas (Options 7 & 8): Do not get an MSRED if your goal is REPE or a Debt Fund. MSREDs are for architects trying to pivot to finance, or people who specifically want to be developers. Mega-funds and UMM shops want MBAs or direct promotes. An MSRED will just cost you $100k+ and put you right back in the same analyst recruiting pool you are already in.
2. The Geography doesn't matter as much as you think: You are stressed about being in a T2/T3 market. If the letterhead on your resume says Bank of America, Wells, or JPM, a mega-fund in NYC does not care if your desk was in Charlotte or Atlanta. They know you learned the same credit standards and modeling as the NYC kids.
3. The Winning Path (A blend of 3 and 4): Your easiest, most lucrative pivot is Debt to Debt. Top debt funds in NYC love poaching BB balance sheet lending analysts because you actually know how to underwrite downside risk, structure a loan, and read covenants - unlike some equity analysts who just plug in 5% YoY rent growth and call it a day.
Moving from Debt to Equity (REPE) is slightly harder than Debt to Debt, but highly doable at the 1-2 year analyst mark before you get pigeonholed. Stop over-engineering the internal laterals. Just crush your current seat for a year, use a headhunter, and jump directly to the buy-side in NYC.
OP here - From what I have seen on LinkedIn most the people from my CIB BS Lending team that do exit are exiting to buy side analyst roles after 2 years of banking, not associate roles. I am hoping to avoid spending 3+ yrs as an analyst, but would do it if that’s what it will take for me to join an elite fund (obviously this all depends on how good I am at my job). Am I being too ambitious, or have people with a similar background to me made this kind of move?
Would push back on the city not mattering. For some banks, the sponsors you cover will be fundamentally different depending on geography (ex - NYC will cover the funds OP is interested in, while the Dallas office might cover smaller/regional shops). So deal flow / deals on resume can look very different.
Yeah that’s what I’m worried about when it comes to recruiting for equity shops in NYC. I feel that my team would put me in a strong position to exit to top sponsors in the same market or neighboring markets, while the NYC office for my team places into elite NYC sponsors. Do you think that recruiting into an elite NYC debt fund would be any easier since it’s more of a lateral than transitioning to REPE?
I'm curious - in RE is it more on you to reach out to HHs unlike Banking where it's the other way around?
Bump. Also have heard that most hh are shit. Can someone confirm?
"UMM Real Estate"
We're just making shit up now, are we?
I’m talking about PERE 15-50 funds (Ex. BlackRock, PCCP, GSAM).
Do the top players like to hire people coming from BS lending backgrounds? I’ve seen on LinkedIn that people at these types of funds are mostly coming from other top REPEs, Debt funds, BB/MM/EB REGL IB, or BB RE Capital Markets, but not much from BS Lending (especially not T2 markets).
Have seen WF CRE lending heads at KKR, APO, TPG, etc. Never at BX tho
I didn’t read all of your post so forgive me if I’m missing something, it was quite long. But I worked at a bank in Dallas after school and received an offer from a major debt fund in NYC after 3 YOE so it is very doable.
Now you seem to want to go to NYC as fast as possible. From what I’ve seen Internal mobility will probably take about 2 years total but depending on the bank is probably the easiest way to just get there.
If you want to get to debt fund or REPE, I would work for 1 year then interview & network for nyc. You’ll have to take an analyst role but hey you will be in nyc the fastest. Moving to another bank in nyc is also an option but I’d only do that if you wanna stay in banking.
Got it. Did you exit to an associate seat in NYC?
I have no issue with leaving banking after 1yr to be an An1 again if I’m joining an elite REPE/Debt Fund/REIB, but I’d probably want to be an An2 if joining a less prestigious shop (ex. LifeCo) If I leave after 2yrs I’d probably want to be a “senior analyst” of some sort with a 1yr track to the associate promotion. Ideally I’d be able to get an associate seat after 2yrs in banking, but this seems like a rarity coming from my role.
Is any of this possible for BB BS Lending Analysts? Or is it an uphill battle, since BS Lending is not as much of a grind (have heard 50hrs/week) as a typical 2yr IB analyst program is? I have seen people who start at my bank spend 4+ years at the analyst level more often than not, and I definitely want to avoid doing that especially if I’m not at a top tier fund.
You’re going to have to repeat a year at a lifeco. You will realistically have to a repeat a year at any Pere 200 shop imo
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Like the first poster mentioned. Take a deep breath. Enjoy your last couple months of freedom before hitting the gas the rest of your life. You're in a good seat and you're just a tot. Your career path is endless at your age. People have gotten into top shops in NYC doing xyz from all sorts of different paths, don't stress yourself out before you've even started. Enjoy working for the company that hired you and learn as much as you can. You may hate real estate and not even want to do it after a year.
Hey man, you're not delusional at all — you're in a pretty decent spot actually.
With a semi-target school, solid internships, NCAA athlete background, and a BB BS Lending Analyst role, you have a real shot at moving to NYC into a better debt fund or even mid/upper-middle market REPE.
Best realistic path:
Geography matters a bit (NYC desks see bigger sponsors), but the BB name carries weight. A lot of people successfully lateral from T2/T3 BS lending desks to NYC funds.
Skip the MSRED — waste of time and money unless you want to be a developer. MBA makes more sense later if you want true mega-funds.
You can realistically be in NYC within 1.5–2.5 years without a masters if you perform and network. Just don’t expect to jump straight to Associate at a top fund after only 1 year — most people do 2+ years banking first.
Chill for now, kill it in the seat, and don’t over-plan every scenario before you even start. You’ve got a good foundation.
Good luck bro.
Thanks for the input! I know that jumping to associate after 1 year is impossible, regardless of city. I wonder if it would be smarter to stick with Bank BS lending for 2 years, and then jump to an associate position at a debt fund in NYC? I am comparing this option with lateraling to a Debt Fund/REPE analyst role after 1 year in BS lending. I have heard that I should expect to do a total of 3 years as an analyst no matter what, so I’d rather just lateral after 1 year as an analyst, and then spend 2 more years as an analyst somewhere else. But if I had to option to only spend 2 years as an analyst, I would choose that path in a heartbeat.
On a side note, I plan on pursuing an MBA in the future, and was wondering what the pipeline from T10 MBAs to MF REPE looks like?
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