PIMCO CRE Debt vs. PIMCO Prime CRE Debt
I was wondering what the difference between the two lending strategies is? I’m aware than PPRE is fka Allianz Real Estate, but would one provide a more well-rounded experience than the other? Lastly, what would be the difference in someone in an AM seat versus PM seat at a place like PIMCO. I’d appreciate any insight!!
Based on the most helpful WSO content, here's what you need to know:
PIMCO CRE Debt vs. PIMCO Prime CRE Debt: While the specific differences between these two lending strategies aren't explicitly detailed in the WSO threads, it's important to note that PIMCO Prime CRE Debt (formerly Allianz Real Estate) likely focuses on a more traditional, stabilized real estate lending approach, given Allianz's historical focus on core real estate investments. On the other hand, PIMCO CRE Debt might encompass a broader range of strategies, including bridge loans, mezzanine debt, and potentially higher-yielding, riskier opportunities. The experience you gain would depend on the type of deals and asset classes each strategy targets.
AM Seat vs. PM Seat at PIMCO:
If you're looking for a more "well-rounded" experience, a PM seat might provide broader exposure to strategy and decision-making, while an AM seat would give you a deeper understanding of asset-level operations and management. Both roles are valuable, but the choice depends on your long-term career goals.
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Pimco Prime (the former Allianz side) is a traditional life company lender. You will work on mostly stabilized deals in core markets. I believe their average ticket is around 50mm.
Pimco CRE Debt is a bridge lender. So you will see more development/value-add type deals, including less traditional asset classes (self storage, life sciences, etc.). Average ticket is more like 100mm.
That said, the PM for the Pimco CRE debt fund left recently and took like 3 people with him and the former head of Europe took his place. And when Allianz turned into Pimco Prime, a bunch of their people were left go (they eliminated the entire Atlanta office).
I’m sure that Pimco Prime is the “safer” spot, but depends what you are looking for.
Thought Roman and Ravi were co heads at Pimco, who left?
https://www.perenews.com/pimco-sees-further-real-estate-leadership-chan…
The difference between PM and AM is that PM is the originations/investment team and AM is asset management. PMs get treated way better at Pimco as a general rule (higher comp/status).
Thanks for the explanation! Do you happen to know if Base / TC happens to be lower at PIMCO Prime as they focus on investing and lending on stabilized assets?
Yes it’s lower
Where are you getting this info? I thought AM at Pimco was considered part of PM at least on the alts side. Also heard that AM runs extremely lean
I know several of the debt and equity AM team members that have left over the last few years (including the former head that resigned last year). I can confidently tell you that they left precisely because while they had PM titles, they weren’t treated like full PMs.
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